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Mars Express' 2nd Boom Deployment Postponed

ricshaw2k4 writes "Releasing the second MARSIS radar boom from Mars Express has been delayed after a problem with the first boom was discovered. From the BBC "Officials said 12 out of 13 segments that comprise the first boom had deployed successfully, but segment 10 was not fully locked into place." Lets just hope segment 10 wasn't eaten by the Martians!"

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  1. Late Breaking News: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny


    Yet another chapter in our epic struggle against the disgusting inhabitants of the evil blue planet unfolded today, when it was revealed by the Council that one of the invaders' probes was observed deploying a spindly, antenna-like structure.
    Hopes that the antenna would prove to be benign were quickly dashed, as our scientists determined conclusively that the antenna was designed to emit hazardous low-frequency radio waves, capable of penetrating far underground.

    K'Breel, Speaker for the Council, stress that there was no cause for alarm:



    "This latest nefarious plot by our enemies has successfully been averted. Immediately upon receiving news of this latest aggression, the Council approved an emergency action to neutralize the threat. The structure of one of the segments of the deadly antenna was successfully altered, rendering the device incapable of harm.



    When asked if rumours were true that the invaders' probe was actually outfitted with two of the deadly antennas, K'Breel declined to comment.
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    1. Re:Late Breaking News: by Sandbox+Conspiracy · · Score: 5, Funny

      P'shaw. I, for one, welcome our new Terran overlords.

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    2. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the style of Slahdot, yet another repost.

      Hey, TripMaster Monkey... You do know you don't get karma for funny moderations, don't ya?

      (If you read through TMM's past comments, you'll see frequent reposts, and postings of article texts in attempts to drive up karma...)

    3. Re:Late Breaking News: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1, Funny



      In the style of Slahdot(sic), yet another repost.

      Um....this is not a repost, AC, which you would know if you took the time to read more than the post titles.

      Hey, TripMaster Monkey... You do know you don't get karma for funny moderations, don't ya?

      Yes, AC, I did know that...which kinda blows you whole 'karma whore' theory out of the water, doesn't it?

      Log off before you hurt yourself.

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    4. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's an open source businessmodel!

      1: Make free software.
      2: ?
      3: Delay second boom.
      4: Profit!

    5. Re:Late Breaking News: by m50d · · Score: 1

      Seriously, though, how do you manage to keep fping with these? Does one of the slashdot editors like them enough that he notifies you whenever there's a new mars story?

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    6. Re:Late Breaking News: by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      New Terran overlords? You never heard of Captain John Carter? You don't think we're up against our own covert forces here? What kind of conspiracy theorist are you anyway?!

  2. Mars...been there, done that by CypherXero · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:Mars...been there, done that by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      To quote Spock:
      "We can't follow them to Mars, our PDAs would be useless."

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      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    2. Re:Mars...been there, done that by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this Mars is red, not pitch black.

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  3. I TOLD THEM! by null+etc. · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Officials said 12 out of 13 segments that comprise the first boom had deployed successfully, but segment 10 was not fully locked into place."

    I TOLD THEM TO CHECK SEGMENT 10!

    Sheehs, my coworkers are all slackers. I told Marco to check ALL the segments, but he winked and said, "What's the probability that segment 10 will fail if all the others are working?"

    BLEH I SHOULD HAVE YOUR JOB, MARCO!

    1. Re:I TOLD THEM! by Veinor · · Score: 1

      Well, assuming that the probability that one segment failure is independent of all other segments, the same as if all the others had failed.

    2. Re:I TOLD THEM! by uniqueUser · · Score: 0

      Knowing how dangerous this mission is, you would have thought that they would have double-checked everything before releasing this.

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    3. Re:I TOLD THEM! by Nosferax · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they did check that second segment... Oh wait... That was 10 decimal and not 10 binary...

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    4. Re:I TOLD THEM! by Rei · · Score: 1

      We all know what really happened. There are actually two robots holding onto the boom, pushing and shoving, trying to protect us from the terrible secret of space.

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  4. Episode II: the editors strike back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    eaten by fthe Martians

    way to go, Hemos

    1. Re:Episode II: the editors strike back by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fthe Martians are of course the oldest race of Martians that built the canals, as opposed to the Teh Martians who evolved after the planet began to dry up. Sheesh! I thought everyone knew that.

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    2. Re:Episode II: the editors strike back by stlhawkeye · · Score: 1

      Teh Martials are old hat. Every since the Omgwtfpwnz0r Uprising when Teh Hax puppet government took over as an arm to the evil Noobz Empire.

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    3. Re:Episode II: the editors strike back by The+Other+White+Boy · · Score: 1

      fthe, in this story, stll in the previous one, and droped in the one before that.

      i snapped a png for posterity.

  5. spell check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    wasn't eaten by fthe Martians

    THE

    So I'm a spelling nazi. Big deal! Sue me.

  6. eaten by whaaa? by op12 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lets just hope segment 10 wasn't eaten by fthe Martians!

    Yeah, those fthe Martians. They're the worst kind...

  7. Martians are the cause of Segment Faults? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew it wasn't my code!

  8. Hmmm... by RancidMilk · · Score: 2, Funny

    We better de-thaw Sigourney Weaver and have her check it out.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm all for freezing her, but I'm not sure how having a frozen corpse would help us figure out the issue. Wouldn't be better to thaw her instead?

    2. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after you de-thaw her, better un-loosen the bolts that keep that cryo-door on tight.

      w

    3. Re:Hmmm... by garcia · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm all for seeing her levitate above a bed in her night gown. Personally, if I saw that live I wouldn't care if she was frozen, dead, or undead.

  9. Fthe Martians you say? by Danimoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe you needed to capitalize the F in fthe Martians, they get pretty upset if you don't.

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  10. In other News: by 01000011011101000111 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Conspiricy-Theorist Magazine Bi-Planetary (famous for it's heretical article "Blue Planet People - Civilized Life?") ran with the headline "R-3 weaponry - the third deadly antenna the Council don't want you to know about"...

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  11. fthe Martians? by AnonymousJackass · · Score: 1, Redundant

    How do fthe Martians differ from regular Martians? Is "fthe" an acronym? Or the name of their splinter-group? (perhaps the Martian equivalent of Al-Qaeda?)

    1. Re:fthe Martians? by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      Itf probably a fpelling error, or ffailing that, a total and utter fumbs-for-ffingers suck-up.

  12. Bait and switch by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Putting "Boom" in a story about spacecraft always gets my attention.

    Then I read the story. Oh, that kind of boom.

    Had me going for a minute, though.

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  13. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Post

  14. Boom situation is explosive by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Mission staff will now take the time necessary to investigate the boom situation. Foreseen outcomes include confirming that all segments of Boom 1 have been locked into place and determining how the deployment of Boom 1 may affect that of Boom 2."
    In related news, Mission staff is now taking the time necessary with things they do, as opposed to the 'hunches', 'guesses' and the 'divine insight from God' methods that were used before. With boom1 not acting properly, they have a couple other forseen outcomes: 1) confirming the boom 1 never locks into place and 2) how this has no effect on the deployment of boom 2.
    A new mission has been introduced to send another unmanned robot to massage segment 10 into place and then to quickly self-destruct in order not to interfere with the rest of the mission.
    P.S. Boom 3 cannot be played unless you have a high-end PC with a killer graphics card.

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  15. Marvin the Martian did it!!!! by Boogiesbunny · · Score: 2, Funny

    He was witnessed using his ACME Disintegration Pistol to knock the Boom out of whack.

    1. Re:Marvin the Martian did it!!!! by superstick58 · · Score: 1, Informative

      No no no. He used the Illudium Q-38 Explosive Space Modulator. Forget Acme, forget the mars probe, this one took 2 thousand years of research.

  16. Minute incremental status by amightywind · · Score: 0, Troll

    Why does slashdot see fit to report minute incremental engineering progress, or lack thereof, in deploying a science instrument on a mission of average interest?

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    1. Re:Minute incremental status by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      It's in anticipation of all those boom boom jokes.

    2. Re:Minute incremental status by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Why does slashdot see fit to report minute incremental engineering progress, or lack thereof, in deploying a science instrument on a mission of average interest?

      Umm, because it's of average interest, and half of all Slashdot readers are approximately average and therefore interested? Okay, the statisticians in the crowd can now flay me.

  17. Re:OT: What happened to the CherryOS story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And ironically, the pulled story still got a link in the rss page ;) so the rss has a link to nowhere, until it refreshes to the main page the next time...

  18. Field Alignment Tool by Detritus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can have all of the mechanical engineers that you want, but in real life, nothing beats a mechanic with a hammer, who can give it a good whack in the right place.

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    1. Re:Field Alignment Tool by rpcxdr · · Score: 1

      I agree. I would never beat a mechanic with a hammer.

    2. Re:Field Alignment Tool by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      American parts, Russian parts.

      All made in Taiwan!

  19. According to Ivanova by iabervon · · Score: 4, Funny

    "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow."

    1. Re:According to Ivanova by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Tomorrow
      Tomorrow
      I love ya
      Tomorrow
      You're only a
      daaayyyy
      awaaayyyy!

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  20. ESA cursed on Mars by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They seem to have a lot of trouble with their equipment, crashes and bent atennas and all that. Makes NASA look good- which doesnt say much.

    1. Re:ESA cursed on Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:ESA cursed on Mars by Verio+Fryar · · Score: 1
      From www.esa.int:

      "The MARSIS instrument was developed by the University of Rome 'La Sapienza', Italy, in partnership with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, USA."

    3. Re:ESA cursed on Mars by Rei · · Score: 1

      Everybody does poorly on Mars. Nothing new there...

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    4. Re:ESA cursed on Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To quote from a New-Scientist article about the MARSIS antenna "Scientists at NASA and at the antenna's manufacturer, Astro Aerospace of Carpinteria, California, expect to finish physical tests of the antenna within days"

      An American antenna (enough said !). Perhaps a few more days of tests might have been a good idea guys ;)

    5. Re:ESA cursed on Mars by jandrese · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think if you look around you'll notice that just about every space program is a joint venture with the JPL.

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  21. the AE35 antenna unit will fail within 48 hours by toby · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dave, put on your spacesuit and go fix it, will you?

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  22. Stupid question by Locke2005 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Can't they use the second boom to knock the first boom into place? Is it just me, or does having so many segments violate the "Keep It Simple, Stupid!" rule in the first place? Every joint between segments is a point of failure, it seem like 3 would be sufficient...

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    1. Re:Stupid question by macpeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The dipole booms are 20 meters long each, and the center monopole boom is 7 meters. Even when folded into 13 segments, each bipole boom segment is 1.5 meters long. If they were folded 3 times, they would each be nearly 7 meters long and not fit into the launching rocket (a Soyuz).

      In general, you can pretty much assume that if you think the scientists have done a stupid error, then you just don't know the whole story.

  23. A "Galactic Ghoul" protecting Mars by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've heard it described as a "Great Galactic Ghoul" that protects Mars. At every step on the way, Mars missions have tended to be frought with problems. The Soviet program fared even worse; only about one in five Mars probes that they launched went as planned.

    Some people have suggested that having humans onboard would have helped. In most cases, this is not the case. Only the Phobos probes and perhaps one Viking mission would have had a chance for humans to help the situation, since their problems were computer related. Most accidents were explosions, bad trajectories, invalid atmospheric assumptions, etc - things you don't find out about until it's too late.

    In fact, one mission that was a success could have killed humans if it were to happen: Mars Global Surveyor. A solar panel was damaged (its damper arm was sheared off on launch), and dipping down into the atmosphere to brake like it was supposed to, in order to brake, would have destroyed the probe. The damage wasn't known until the first atmospheric dip, making (on an equivalent manned craft) a spacewalk for repair quite difficult if it were even possible (doubtful, given the damage, unless they brought along entire extra solar panels). NASA solved the problem by suspending aerobraking and letting the orbit circularize much more slowly - delays that humans on board would not have been able to tolerate.

    It seems that there is just so many opportunities for failure en route to Mars that even if chances for a single mistake are miniscule for any given system, the overall failure rate ends up uncomfortably high. We're not going to want to skimp corners when we send people to Mars, that's for sure.

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    1. Re:A "Galactic Ghoul" protecting Mars by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Some people have suggested that having humans onboard would have helped. In most cases, this is not the case.
      Some people suggest that because their only experience with such things is watching Star Trek where Scotty/Geordie can simply repolarize the technobabble generator by the commercial break.

      In real life it isn't so easy. In real life you need spares, tools, maintenance and testing schedules, access to the parts to be tested/replaced... All highly non-trivial stuff.

      Oh, my experience? A decade in the Submarine service including 4 deterrent patrols. Been there, done that.

    2. Re:A "Galactic Ghoul" protecting Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Oh, my experience? A decade in the Submarine service
      > including 4 deterrent patrols. Been there, done
      > that.

      How nice for you. Unfortunately, it doesn't specially qualify you over someone else to evaluate the usefulness of a person reaching over and flipping an antenna boom into place.

  24. Boom! Boom! Out go the lights! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Pat Travers did it.

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    1. Re:Boom! Boom! Out go the lights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Pat Travers did it.

      Little Walter did it first.

  25. Root cause of problem discovered .. by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

    Re:I TOLD THEM TO CHECK SEGMENT 10!

    It has been discovered that the reason is the probe tried to unfold segment 2 twice, since it was reading 10 in binary. The responsible engineer declined to comment, but was overheard saying: "I checked everything 10 times".
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  26. No wonder! by fnj · · Score: 1

    I told them to use KABOOMS, not just plain old feeble booms. Bleh.

    1. Re:No wonder! by Flying+Purple+Wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!" - Marvin the Martian

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  27. time for by confused+one · · Score: 1

    one of those Martian dudes who've been squeegeeing off the solar collectors on the rovers, to make a pit stop at the Mars Express and add a little duct tape.

    1. Re:time for by pcnetworx1 · · Score: 1

      Oh no, duct tape 1.0 hasnt been used for centuries on Mars!!! They've been using duct tape 6.0 recently, duh

    2. Re:time for by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
      to make a pit stop at the Mars Express and add a little duct tape.

      There's no duct tape on Mars. Haven't you played Doom 3?

    3. Re:time for by confused+one · · Score: 1

      No actually. All I use my computer for is reading ./ and coding...

  28. Wow, dumb. by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Lets just hope segment 10 wasn't eaten by the Martians!

    I've read a lot of dumb things on /., but I think this may win the prize.

    For today, at least.

  29. In praise of the Gatekeeper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't let her hear you say she's unhot ... look where it got Zuule and the alien matriarch.

  30. Boom Erection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Seek medical attention if your boom erection lasts longer than 4 hours.

  31. KISS and clockwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KISS suggests that you roll the boom up against a coiled spring, and then release the coiled extender slowly through an escapement. Something like inside a tape measure, but in reverse. Use three or more of them and you can even get structural rigidity through counter-bracing.

    Hey, clockwork has worked for a few hundred years, don't knock it.

    1. Re:KISS and clockwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:KISS and clockwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In general, you can pretty much assume that if you think the scientists have done a stupid error, then you just don't know the whole story.

    3. Re:KISS and clockwork by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      KISS suggests that you roll the boom up against a coiled spring, and then release the coiled extender slowly through an escapement.... Hey, clockwork has worked for a few hundred years, don't knock it.

      KISS actually suggests that you make only small portions of the antenna springy and flexible, then fold it at those points (rather than essintially bending it along its entire length). This allows you to use a lightweight tubular shape for the rigid portions and add extra structural reinforcement to the flexible joint, plus some means of locking it open. I suppose it could be argued that a very simple spring-wound escapement mechanism is as reliable as a dozen spring-loaded locking pawls, but the end result of the latter is a stronger, more rigid antenna less likely to suffer catastrophic failure (ever bent a tape measure?).

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  32. Too many time travellers are crashing into it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On their way to MIT...doh

  33. How do they know? by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

    How do they know there is a problem in segment 10? Telescope? Are there active components inside the antenna boom?

    I know, this isn't a forum for serious discussion.

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  34. fixing it doom style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To fix this, you're going to have to go across the Base and pick up a PDA off a destroyed probe which tells you where the other probe that has the replacement boom-lock is, once you've obtained it, you'll head back and come across a large monster that was not there before, beat him and continue. Get the replacement boom and head back to the broken boom, upon reaching it, you will find that is has turned into a portal to hell, please continue...

  35. Never send a probe to do an archaeologist's job by archaeology_andy · · Score: 0

    Trouble is: we've got a probe that breaks, or people that die. Do we send up a broken probe full of dead people, see if the same effect will cause the mission to succeed? Or am I being stupid? yes, I feel this is somehow more likely. Seriously, however, the probe isn't broken yet, is it?

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  36. The booms are stored in Mars Express, right? by Gax · · Score: 1

    Can we call it a boombox?

  37. Bash NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Come-on Slashdoters, you're not doing your jobs: I haven't seen one post trashing NASA about this. Every time there is an item about a failure in space, there is a flood of anti-NASA postings. You know "if it weren't for NASA we would now have a Disneyland on the Sun, and it would cost $2.45 to go there round trip for fun on Friday and I would be going to the Crab Nebula for magnetic surfing on spring break."

    Where are all those comments that show that the average Shashdot reader is just plain smater then just about anyone on the Earth? And how if you were in charge it would all be easily taken care of, only you're just too busy playing Doom (or whatever) and trying to remember where you saw that really hot girl on one of those porn sites, and trying to forget what happened the last time you talked to a girl who was actually in the same room and willing to be within 4 feet of you?

    Just because this is not a US government program that dosen't mean that you can't blame the US government anyway. You can always talk about how business can really do it better, since you have all that spare time living at home where you parents are picking up the cost of sheler and food, and you don't have to bother picking up your room or doing laundry. All you need to do is make sure that your parents don't walk in on you when you are looking for that web site with the hot girl (remember her?) and start yelling about getting a job. Becasue it's all the fault of those slackers at NASA. They never get it right, evern when it's the EU space program.

    And if you want to know why I'm an Annonymous Coward, it's becasue I'm ashamed to be seen posing on this web site...

  38. Re:OT: What happened to the CherryOS story? by TurboTas · · Score: 1

    Do you still care? CherryOS is no more. Maui X-Treme are now busily compiling other opensource and flogging it as if they wrote it see here....