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OSS Projects Offer Bounties For Features

jtowndot writes "The market for open source developers seems to be heating up. Asterisk, Gnome, Horde, and Mozilla all have bounties for desired features. Recently, Lime Wire updated its wish list to include bounties on open source development work! Similarly, i2p also released a bounty list. Is it time to consider quitting my day job to do open source development full time?"

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  1. WANTED: Dead or Alive by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    Is it just me or does "Bounty" evoke ideas of something else entirely?

    "We got the Feature. He's holed up over on the South side of the partition. Better bring your compiler."

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    1. Re:WANTED: Dead or Alive by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is it just me or does "Bounty" evoke ideas of something else entirely?

      The quicker picker-upper? Captain Bligh?

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    2. Re:WANTED: Dead or Alive by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Funny

      Darth Vader: You may take Limewire to Jabber for chat after I have Skywalker.
      Boba Fett: He's no good to me non complient.
      Darth Vader: He will not be permanently proprietery.

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  2. you forgot mark shuttleworths... by Simarilius · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Not going to quit mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    $150 buys about 3hrs of my time, most of those projects posted look to take much longer than that.

    1. Re:Not going to quit mine by un1xl0ser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod this up.

      A lot of the projects offer very little money for what they require.

      What is needed is a bounty system that users could pay into easily so the bounty could grow over time.

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    2. Re:Not going to quit mine by Vorondil28 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is probably the smartest thing I've heard all day. Not only would bounties be bigger, but users would have an indirect say in what features got implemented. (i.e. - More users want feature X than Y, the bounty for X grows more rapidly than Y, X gets more man-hours of coding than Y and is implemented sooner.)

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    3. Re:Not going to quit mine by duerra · · Score: 5, Funny
      What is needed is a bounty system that users could pay into easily so the bounty could grow over time.

      I'll give you $50 to do that.

    4. Re:Not going to quit mine by orfanotna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To you $150 may be chump change, but to someone in let's say Russia (where a doctor with 10 years experience gets the equivalent of $18 a month), that's pretty good money. Is there a requirement that these features have to be implemented by North American/European/Japanese programmers?

    5. Re:Not going to quit mine by zifferent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wouldn't we then be rewarding the wrong behavior, e.g. More bugs = more $$

      Seems like a perpetual bug creating system to me.

      I might understand bounties for particularily tough programming challenges, but not for everyday bugs.

      Besides, once a price is set for open source coding, who's going to do it for free anymore?

      Paying money for everyday OS coding is switching the carrot, which has dire consequences.

      Open source works because the people who code do so, because the want to. Put a price tag on that and it does weird things to peoples brains. Basically, it changes the game.

      There was a psyc study about this kind of thing I think it was paying for grades or something, and the students lost interest once they figured out that it wasn't worth their while monetarily-wise and they stopped caring.

      When I volunteer for something, often times I find myself working harder and with more dedication than at work. I think the same thing happens with OS.

      Hey but it sounds like an awesome idea to kill off open source and it's ideals once and for all!

      Bad idea, all around.

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  4. Bounties & 'Scratching an Itch' by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In some cases at least, it seems as if these bounties are used to deal with the relative lack-of-glamour inherent in implementing some features in pieces of OSS. For the most part, its the cool hacks and features that people need individually that grab attention and get worked on. Bounties seem to redress that balance of developer attention towards less glamourous but key pieces of functionality & improvements which aren't imminently required. (although for the most part, it seems like a different class of hackers are attracted to the bounties within projects)

    Of course, putting money into OSS through these kind of means is a great use, since similar amounts spent on commercial products has a minimal/neglible effect on their development. Its also a great way for those people who cant code to contribute to the software they use, and get features they'd like to see implemented.

    1. Re:Bounties & 'Scratching an Itch' by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Man, Personally I think one of the things that REALLY need some kind of bounty backup are the DOCUMENTATION projects... I mean, if you look at KDE help (the one that is embedded in the system) it Really Sucks(tm).

      And I am not talking only about Help Files, I am talking about Analysis and Design documents (anyone care to say what is the average of the OSS projects that have a reasonably good Requirments Document Specification or Design Specification Document.

      As a software engineer I know those are one of the things programmers really do not like to do... but they are really necessary and helpful.

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  5. Re:No by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're doing it for free anyway, what's wrong with getting a little gift?

    You are free not to accept it, keep it as memorabilia, or donate it to charity, as many have done in the past. People who found flaws in Knuth's books kept their $2 checks as a token of their work, rather than cashing it in.

  6. Make sure you agree to what is wanted! by kjs3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who intends to count on the bounty opportunities as a source of income should make sure that there is a firm understanding as to what is required to earn the bounty (if not requesting a contract of some kind). I can certainly see folks plowing a lot of effort into this only to have the people offering the bounty say "that's not what I want...no bounty for you".

  7. I hope they coordinate the work. by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there is one overriding reason that I hate MS Office, it is that it feels like the application was developed by a thousand independent programmers. Consistency between and within Office applications is very poor. Each feature seems to have its own UI logic, limitations, behaviors.

    A bounty program is great. But if it creates a thousand independent bolt-on features, it will suck. Perhaps some high-level architect in each project can create some stub classes or documentation that define exactly what the bounty-earning feature must do and how it should conform to a set of UI guidelines.

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  8. Bounties Always for Adding Features by phidipides · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing I've noticed about free software that differs vastly from the projects I've worked on in the commercial world is that with free software there is usually a push to do something right, even if it means waiting a while for a feature. With the bounties I've seen thus far, the mentality seems to be the commercial "do it as quickly as possible" idea. Granted, a lot of the bounties are for stuff no one really wants to do, so something is probably better than nothing, but it might also be nice to have rewards for those who do things well.

    Tasks like removing dead code, simplifying existing code, etc are tasks that the commercial world seldom does with its software ("if it ain't broke...") but it's something that keeps open source code maintainable. It might be a good idea to set up some of these bounties in terms of rewards, such that projects could once a year give something to people who not only added features to a project, but who improved the quality of a project. The bounties going out now are great, but expanding them to support quality and innovation would be really, really great.

  9. Because It Makes Economic Sense For The Sponsors by osewa77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a sign of what supporters of Open Source have been saying - that real companies are getting real value by using open source. It is cheaper for them to pay for a feature to be added to some open source software than to have proprietary software developed to their specifications. Licenses like GPL make it compulsory for those companies to contribute those changes back to the community, but unless you're in the software business this is really not a disadvantage at all. Open source lets you pay less to get the features you need and *still* reap the Public Relations benefits of having "contributed to the community". Sounds like a CEO's dream!

  10. Re:No by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they just rate it low because the price they (may) be paying will be a slow/non-perfect developer. The ideal is "Hey, let's find the retired millionaire whiz and have him help out on a couple of things." In reality, the opposite extreme is you find the college aged whiz kid who disappears for three months because of terms or a big important project or he quit school.

    While not similar work, I find this all the time in the graphic design field. You find a lot of people who ask for a "custom logo for my new website" and will pay paltry sums ($20, $200) when the real value of a logo (or a good designer's time) is worth a lot more than that.

    I would imagine that putting low bounties on something is going to backfire. To someone who earns a living doing task X, spending 20 hours of their time helping out on OSS Project Y is going to be just difficult whether or not you pay. These projects need to un-monetize the incentives. Offering $100 for something that takes a lot of hours isn't going to be a big draw.

    Of course, the bigger the project the less of a monetary incentive might be necessary. Ask me to create a logo for your company and get paid $50, I'll pass. Ask me to do the next logo for Firefox 1.5, and I don't need $50, I'll do it for free. (Note I am not comparing my work to Burka & Desroches, or saying the logo needs a replacement, just using Firefox as an example).

    Of course, even with an OSS project, you can use free market concepts. The "price" of your product is people's time and resources as they download & learn your product. If you have informed a good number of people about your product and they are not willing to give their time to learn it, it may be because something better already exists. That's one reason why someone's new CD ripper project may not be that popular, or why your Java tetris clone is not being downloaded. It's not really "needed". Or at least, not yet.

    I really don't mean to troll or flame, and I don't see a problem with people getting together on something for the sake of learning and/or collaborating. But before your five team members pool together $500 to take your project to the next level, take some time to consider if it is really realyl worth it.

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  11. Re:No by joeljkp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but it's not quite "build us a front-end and get $500". It's "be the first to build us a front-end and get $500". If you come in second, or miss the feature set and get delayed, you very well may get nothing for your effort.

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  12. Along the same lines with MythTv by Frying+Ferret · · Score: 4, Informative

    Along the same lines, a new company LxM Media http://lxmsuite.com/ has started up. They will be offering data services for MythTv http://mythtv.org/ as well as paying the Myth developers. From what I undstand, you pay $5/month, and you get bounty points to spend durring the month by putting them towards a specific feature or plugin. They will then pay the myth developer who implements the most popular function.

  13. Missing the point? by jsebrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't these bounties missing the point?

    It seems to me the biggest lacking in OSS is not the featureset, it is the usability of that featureset. Take gimp for example. It's an excellent image editor. It has every feature I need. And yet I keep getting drawn back to photoshop when I need to get real work done, because gimp is such a PITA to use (less so than it used to be admittedly, but still not anywhere near what it could be).

    This pattern for me is repeated over and over in almost all OSS projects. The few open source products I use on a daily basis and like are all centrally designed, with one person, or a few people, dictating the entire user-visible interface, like with firefox.

    The total lack of usability progress in the vast majority of OSS projects is what made me give up on linux on the desktop. Yeah, it's fine to tinker, and yes, it does anything you need. But to get real work done it just gets in my way.

    I don't mean to flame-bait, but that's my honest opinion. And I think if someone really wants to promote open source software, they are better off investing their resources in convincing projects to appoint design czars who have absolute control over the user-visible part of the software. Even a poorly done single-person design is still better than a methodically executed design by committee. These bounties for me are missing the point, and won't really matter in the end.

    Anyway, imho ofcourse.

  14. to answer your question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Is it time to consider quitting my day job to do open source development full time?"

    One word.....YES!

    On a totally unrelated note, could you please provide me with the contact info for your company's hiring manager?

  15. Check out http://fundable.org ... by pjkundert · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...it's a mechanism for organizing "all or nothing" funding for any venture (including funding of Open Source development projects: http://fundable.org

    This really is one of the most interesting things I've seen developed on the 'net in a long, long time.

    It has, of course, heaps of utility beyond just funding development of pet projects...

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