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Indian Company Shows Off Sub-$200 Laptop

geo_2677 writes "The Indian company which came out with the Simputer has now come with a PC which cost roughly INR 10,000; that's just about US $200. The project was backed by the Indian government R&D department Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR)." Geo2677 points out an article on the low-cost computer at hinduonline.net and another at the Times of India, and writes "The new PC is Linux-based and has office applications, a browser and audio/video capabilities. With a keyboard that can be rolled up, it looks pretty sleek. A U.S. company is already using it in pilot projects, and many more have shown interest. The Indian government hopes that this will push the PC revolution to the masses. It aimed for home users and small businesses/shops. The PC penetration in India is very low, at a measly 13 million, due to the high costs involved."

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  1. The PC penetration in India is very low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The PC penetration in India is very low

    That's because it hurts a lot.

  2. Ok, so, no storage... by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    It will have no hard disk but will have built-in memory and facility to plug in memory cards for any storage over and above that provided for in the built-in memory. It will not have games. High-speed computing is ruled out. The reasoning is that "while adding to the cost, these are of no use to many users.''

    The one link is slashdotted already and the other doesn't say how much memory it has built-in. Yeah, it's sub-$200 until you realize that you have to pay another $150+ for a decent sized memory "stick" (or two or three).

    1. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by GweeDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "but will have built-in memory"

      More than likely it has some built in CF memory or something like that. Even if it is only 512MB...for Word docs and web browsing how much do you need? I would bet the apps are in some form of flash memory or something (similar to a PDA) so no worries there.

    2. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if it is only 512MB...for Word docs and web browsing how much do you need?

      Well, if you had read the non-slashdotted article:

      Vinay L. Deshpande, chairman and chief executive officer of Encore Software, told a press conference the system would have the essential features of a conventional personal computer: everyday applications such as word processing, spreadsheet, personal information manager, e-mail and web-browser. It will play music and movies, have text-to-speech conversion facility and built-in local-language support.

      Movies and music on 512MB? Get serious. As I said, you will likely be shelling out 150+ for memory. I found it VERY suspicious that they were touting the price when they aren't including any storage space.

      $199 doesn't impress me with slow specs and no storage.

    3. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by GweeDo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While 512MB isn't gonna work for movies, it is fine for music. I have a 512MB iPod Shuffle and love it. For features like that they probably intend for you to sync it with a desktop.

      If you are someone with NO computer at all in India right now do you really think no movie/music support is the end of the world?

    4. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Give me a break.

      The first hard disk we had was 20 MB, and it was huge when you consider only a few executables and text files. Granted, we ran Stacker on it to compress the contents and approximately double the capacity.

      When my brother went to university, he replaced his 40 MB disk with a 560 MB; unfortunately, his BIOS only supported 512 MB, so his new disk wasted more space than the old disk had available.

      We had a word processor, spreadsheet, drawing program, and so on with only a 20 MB drive. Heck, we ran a BBS. 512 MB of disk would feel like heaven, with appropriate software. I've had useful GNU/Linux installations on disks smaller than that.

    5. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      in india ?

    6. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by aalobode · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article available at the attached URL indicates that the memory size is 128MB. The point is that AT THE PRESENT TIME, the low-income segment of the population has no easy way to acquire a computer or, after acquiring it, pay for maintenance, power, and upgrades. So a sturdy, no-frills machine is best. As time goes by, their needs will rise and the cost of technology will drop and there will still be a happy intersection of these two graphs. Think of TV: in the 1970s Indians were introduced to black-and-white models and Lucy re-runs. I remember, living then in India, marvelling at a color TV at an international trade show in Delhi in Jan. 1981. Today such things are commonplace in high quality, and the infrastructure (really cheap cable service) has expanded to satisfy the demands. So this sort of thing is good for the common person. http://news.com.com/Indian+firm+unveils+low-cost+L inux-based+PCs/2100-1042_3-5701552.html?tag=nl

    7. Re:Ok, so, no storage... by jamiethehutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $199 doesn't impress me with slow specs and no storage.

      Does it let me browse the Internet? Yes.
      Does it run linux? Yes.
      Does it have a good battery life? Yes.
      Is it cheap? Yes.
      Is it portable? Yes.
      Do 1Gb USB keys cost next to nothing? Yes.

      I'd snatch one up at the first chance I got.

      My AthlonXP 1700 desktop is 84% idle with a load average of 0.36 0.39 0.40, I dont think I'd have a problem if this thing was 100-200Mhz to be honest. Oh, I'm currently running Overnet (edonkey2k), Konqueror, XMMS playing MP3s, Abiword, Firefox, Eterm, a transparent xdaliclock, and Enlightenment 16 with lots of eye candy turned on.

  3. interesting by tont0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    after watching a few "internet PC's" drop off the face of the earth due to the fact that it was $300 and all it did was internet, it would be interesting to see how well this actual PC would end up doing. $200 for basically something that can do work processing, internet, music?(not sure since they didnt specify what they mean by audio...) but still. thats a hell of a deal. and big surprise.. it came from india :).

    1. Re:interesting by harrkev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If history is any indicator, this will bomb. I have seen more than a few "sub-(one/two/three)-hundred-dollar" systems. They are eventually built, greeted with millions of yawns, and soon disappear. What makes this one any different?

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    2. Re:interesting by generic-man · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's there. I own one. Dell Dimension 2400 cost me $300 with a DVD-ROM drive, 40 GB HD, some kind of Celeron, 64 MB graphics card (not shared mem), and 256 MB RAM.

      They only include a 90-day warranty, but upgrading it to two years cost me $120 minus $50 rebate.

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  4. Also featured on public radio by DaveInAustin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The radio show Marketplace has a http://members.aol.com/adnascar/thepark.html> story about the same machine. Not much details in the story. It doesn't mention linux, but says "it doesn't do windows".

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    1. Re:Also featured on public radio by GweeDo · · Score: 3, Informative
  5. Interesting.. by slavemowgli · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's certainly interesting, but the screen (with a size of 7,5") really seems a bit small. I understand that you can't attach a huge screen to a laptop and still be able to charge a low price like that, but I'm not sure whether this is big enough to actually use the thing as a real computer instead of as a better PDA or cell phone.

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    1. Re:Interesting.. by harrkev · · Score: 5, Informative

      Back in my day, I remember having 640x480 and being grateful for such high-resolution graphics.

      You are spoiled by today's systems. So am I. I run 1600x1200 every day. But if you run 0x0 every day because you don't have a computer, 640x480 seems beautiful.

      Don't forget that people used to do useful work on a 80x25 mono screen without graphics. No photoshop, but good enough to word processing to drive a daisy-wheel printer. This thing is bound to be at least as powerful as a Pentium-120. And a Pentium 120 (with 24MB and a 1.2Gb HD) got me my Master's degree by running Matlab and Protel.

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    2. Re:Interesting.. by ajnsue · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah - well back in my day we didn't have your fancy monitors. We just had raw leads sticking out of the back of the computer - we would stick'em on our tongues and have to interpret the output bit by bit. Sure it it hurt sometimes - sweating in pain, working a slide rule to figure out the trickier images. But thats the way real men did it. Zero's and Ones my boy - Zeros and ones

  6. Obligatory Outsourcing Joke by lake2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    But how will they be able to take my job if these computers have no processing power?

  7. Tandy 100 reborn? by stm2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks a lot like the Tandy 100. I still have one, last time I used was 4 years ago to take some notes abord a ship. Even if have more than 20 years, is still useful. I think this "notebooks" is conceptually based in that machine :)

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    1. Re:Tandy 100 reborn? by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's funny you mention that old Tandy laptop, because I was thinking something similar myself!
      I don't own one of those myself, but I remember their "golden age" of popularity. A *good* number of news reporters carried one with them to write all of their articles on while traveling.

      This very well might be just what people over in India need to get into the "computer revolution". But as you've pointed out, it seems that keeping it real basic/simple is the way MOST of us got started.

      I used computers for years before ever considering the purchase of a hard drive for one of them! For a long time, I couldn't even imagine possessing enough code to need something that big to store it on! When you create a computer that has all of its basic applications and functionality built into ROM memory, you create a framework... boundaries if you will, on what that particular computer is *meant* to do. As long as you've got the "sweet spot" of what folks need to get done contained in that "framework" and the price is right, you probably have yourself a very useful little tool.

  8. Moore's corollary? by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FTA: It will have no hard disk but will have built-in memory and facility to plug in memory cards for any storage over and above that provided for in the built-in memory. It will not have games. High-speed computing is ruled out. The reasoning is that "while adding to the cost, these are of no use to many users.''

    The main aim, Mr. Deshpande said, was to develop a system that was affordable and provided the essential features, "without the unnecessary fluff of the conventional systems.'' The target audience is households, small shops, professionals such as lawyers and chartered accountants, and field staff of pharmaceutical, insurance and other industries. It could be used as e-book readers by educational institutions, for telemedicine and as a nurse's aide.

    Well, this doesn't look much like a market for Microsoft to play in. I wonder how long it will be before the intended users want to play games, or run Excel? Something tells me that it will be day zero.

  9. their website here: by t0mhannen · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. Free, for only $24.95 month by gelfling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you imagine the American version of this? There would be two versions; free + 24.95/month for internet service or the Premium version $400 + 99.95 month including phone, iTunes and a hundred other things you don't need.

    India will eat our lunch because they stay focused on the goal instead of stupid glittery Paris Hilton tech like we do.

    1. Re:Free, for only $24.95 month by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Funny

      They won't eat my lunch; it is a McDonald's hamburger...

  11. "built-in memory" - wow! by hey · · Score: 3, Funny

    One article says it has "built-in memory".
    Now that's something! What's next? Computer
    with CPUs and keyboards!

  12. Numbers numbers numbers by mattmentecky · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, not to nitpick but the title of the article is misleading. The laptop is not sub-$200, 10,000INR is $230 http://www.xe.com/ucc/

    The PC penetration in India is very low, at a measly 13 million, due to the high costs involved

    Although a $230 laptop is great for people in developed nations unfortunately it is still in the realm of high cost for someone in India.

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ us.html
    The GDP per capita in America - $40,000

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ in.html
    GDP per capita in India - $3,100

    For someone in America, hell a $2,000 computer would be 1/20th of income, while a $230 computer in India is 1/13th.

    1. Re:Numbers numbers numbers by nganju · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Misinterpretation of statistics. GDP per capita in India is $3,100 but what is the standard deviation? Here's a badly formatted PDF with more detailed numbers. You can see that roughly 30 million households have an income of $5000 or more. If they all bought pc's it would more than double the penetration in India.

      Not to mention that PC penetration here did not occur last week, when computers were 1/20th of income. Penetration in the U.S. happened more than 10 years ago, when PC's were $3-4k and GDP was ~$25k.

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  13. Re:Just to note.. by GweeDo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The cheapest "Alternative OS" desktop from Dell is $319 and that includes no monitor. Would you like to prove your claim?

  14. Nice looking pics of the laptop by shyampandit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here are some good looking pics of the laptop. Im not sure you can call it a laptop though, it looks more like a hybrid version of a pda and laptop. New segment?

    Check out http://news.com.com/Photos+Low-cost+computing+with +style/2009-1005_3-5701496.html

  15. I'm skeptical, but not for the usual reasons by shm · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've tried to buy Encore's Simputer. They're not really into retail or for that matter anything close to "consumer electronics" as we understand the term. They like to sell stuff "vertically" - i.e. they use their Simputer as a platform for specific applications. Look for a link to their handheld military version with GPS etc. Very cool.

    I would expect them to do something similar with this device.

    You can see a bit of that happening already with the reference to the US company which is planning on using this for some kind of security application.

    Also, they are a very Linux centric shop.

  16. $400 wireless with GPS: I'm all over it! by Gondola · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Car GPS systems with smaller displays cost $600 and up. A $400 system that includes a GPS and can also be used for other things would sell like hotcakes!

    If the IR module is powerful enough, you could also use it for home automation and as a remote for your entertainment system.. or just use the wireless to connect to your network and control everything that way.

    Touch screen would be ideal. If I could get one of these, it would be my car GPS and home automation pal.

  17. Re:Just to note.. by pe1rxq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because a laptop with a reasonable battery and a good powersupply will let you work on sub standard power grid....
    Your desktop pc is going crazy as soon as the ac outlet produces something funny.

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  18. Re:hmmm.... piracy by corngrower · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'll bet your right about it using an ARM chip. I'ld bet it's one of Sharp's chips. The chip has an onboard LCD driver, although it's limited to a 1024x640 resolution, if i recall. It's also got PS/2 compatible ports, serial ports, USB ports, and probably enough flash for a bios of some sort. In effect, all you'ld need to add is some sort of memory, and some supporting components to build a thoroughly usable PC.

    I'm sorry, but I didn't see anything in the pictures that would convince me that it was a Windows OS I was looking at.

  19. Indians don't want stripped-down computers by migs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My prediction is that all attempts at selling what most people would consider inferior computers will not work. Not in India nor in any other developing country.

    What many people from rich countries do not realize, is that people in countries like India have a different set of priorities. If you go to any slum you will notice that even though housing is terrible, plumbing is non-existent, and garbage is strewn everywhere, many people own televisions, refrigerators, radios, cell phones, etc.

    I don't see any reason why computer ownership will be an exception to the rule. Poor people will want their kids to have the same computers as rich people do (perhaps with less RAM, smaller monitor, etc), and will not be interested in buying a computer designed for the poor.

    One more note... a lot of statistics about computer users in developing countries are very misleading. For example, the CIA claims that there are about 18.4 million Internet users in India, but if you travel to any Indian city you will see Internet cafes everywhere, all crowded with people. There may be 18.4 million subscribers to Internet services, but the actual number of individuals with Hotmail/Yahoo/Rediff accounts is probably a lot higher, perhaps even 10 times higher.