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BBC Launches APIs

Stefan Magdalinski writes "The BBC is opening up a slew of APIs to its content and applications via a new site, backstage.bbc.co.uk, and actively encouraging users to remix, mashup, and otherwise play with their content to create new applications. Already there's a few cool featured apps, my own BBC News wikipedizing proxy, and a del.icio.us-enabled version of BBC News "Use our stuff to create your stuff" is their slogan. Could a commercial broadcaster ever take a step like this?"

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  1. Missing Link by fembots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Use our stuff to create your stuff
    2. ???
    3. Profit!!!!

    Terms & Conditions:

    4. The BBC may edit, amend or change the BBC Content that appears on the backstage.bbc.co.uk site at any time at its discretion. The BBC also reserves the right to modify or discontinue the backstage.bbc.co.uk site at any time.

    1. Re:Missing Link by R34L · · Score: 2, Funny

      not free as in free beer? what is the world coming to?

    2. Re:Missing Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm an American, so correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought that the BBC is government funded and is not looking for step three.

    3. Re:Missing Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not quite. The BBC has the right to charge a "licence fee" on all households with a TV set. It works the same way as a tax, but it doesn't flow through the Government.

      Still, the main goal in the BBC Charter is to distribute information rather than to make money, so Step 3 still doesn't apply.

    4. Re:Missing Link by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the problem is? What is wrong with them wanting control over their content and content distribution system? All they are saying is play with it but so will we. They don't make a site so you shamelessly copy them to profit or get eyeballs at your own site, it's even surprising (in a good way) that they actually let you play with their apps and give away their intellectual property that freely, all they want in return is the possibility for themselves to also play with it regardless of what you have done with it...

      Some people are never happy...

    5. Re:Missing Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful


      4. The BBC may edit, amend or change the BBC Content that appears on the backstage.bbc.co.uk site at any time at its discretion. The BBC also reserves the right to modify or discontinue the backstage.bbc.co.uk site at any time.


      and what web service, especially free ones, don't have a similar clause in them?

    6. Re:Missing Link by Skevin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > and a del.icio.us-enabled version of BBC News

      Now, what's to prevent script kiddies, or heaven forbid, more knowledgeable malware writers, from coming up with new means to zombify your computer to add to the growing pool of spam gateways, ddos relays, or simply an all out porn repository?

      I propose the domain, mal.icio.us for exactly such acitivities.

      Solomon Chang

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    7. Re:Missing Link by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they were government funded there wouldn't have been all the fuss over BBC vs Government during the whole Iraq thing.

      Not so. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is funded from consolidated revenue, and they still had a spat with the government apropos Iraq (though not as big a spat was the BBC did).

      Their independence results instead, it from the fact that each of these broadcasters is formally an independent corporation. Of course the question of funding, whether out of consolidated revenue or via a licensing 'fee,' given governments some leverage over these organisations. Additionally, at least in the case of the ABC, appointments to the board (as with judges to the bench) are made by government. In Australia at least, the government, as a matter of convention and honour, has tradtionally resisted making overtly politcal appointments or using funding cuts as a punishment for criticism. Unfortunately given the international Retreat of Democracy this seems no longer to be the case.

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  2. Universal Streamer by geomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what is the possibility that we could be converging on a universal streaming client? I know Microsoft and Real would like to see their systems become the ligua franca of streaming video, but the BBC has the advantage of a huge library of content.

    Will content trump market penetration?

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    1. Re:Universal Streamer by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that and this current announcement were what I was alluding to.

      If this codec gets wide enough use in Europe, it could make Microsoft and Real take a more open approach to their codecs.

      I know Real has already made some moves and they are to congratulated. But something that would make video streaming available across all platforms seems like a long way off.

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  3. wait, hold up, what? by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm confused... it sounds like someone is actually encouraging people to share information. I'll need to read that again. Hold on...

    -truth

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  4. Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by jolyonr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, some people may bitch about having to pay a TV licence fee, but would this kind of thing ever happen if all broadcasters were only in the game for a profit?

    Jolyon

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    1. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm so disgusted with what passes for programming on the American TV networks that I'd be more than happy to pay the British TV license fee if it'd get me all the BBC content.

      Yeah, I'm sure the founding fathers are turning over in their graves at the idea of an American volunteering to pay a British tax, but then the founding fathers would understand if they had to watch the WB...

    2. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by soliptic · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Exactly.

      I barely watch TV at all, but I'm happy to pay the TV license to fund the BBC. For all the (naive) /. belief in the "free market", and sniggering about the silly "socialist" "tax" on TV in the UK, I seriously challenge anyone to convince me that the BBC would do as much cool stuff as it does if it had to be fully commercial. Want proof? Look at ITV and Channel 5. Terrible. The BBC is bad enough due to even having to compete in the commercial marketplace - daytime/primetime schedules on BBC1 and BBC2 TV have been dragged down into the same wall-to-wall "reality TV" / soap-opera shite and are barely better than the garbage on the commercial stations. But even if the TV gems like Alan Partridge and The Office dry up, at least they still do stuff like amazing David Attenborough documentaries, a fantastic online resource, some truly great stuff on their radio, developing free (Free?) codecs. I don't think any of that would happen, at least not to the same extent, if they were "just another commercial TV station".

    3. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by radish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, cable gives you more choice, but speaking as a British ex-pat, BBC America != "the BBC channels". For one thing much of the content on BBC America isn't even produced by the BBC (they license material from other British networks like ITV and Channel 4), and for another most of the good stuff is either completely absent or very delayed.

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    4. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 4, Informative

      BBC America isn't the same as it's UK cousins. It's a fully commercial network, not funded by any license fee. They're run by BBC Worldwide, which is the commercial arm of the BBC, and have to purchase the rights to any and all programming they air, just like any other American network. They also have commercials, which makes for slightly strange programming blocks, IMO.

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    5. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by Thundertje · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It does charge the Dutch TV companies. As a matter of fact it's one of the most expensive channels there is.

    6. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by PaxTech · · Score: 2, Informative

      But at least the commercial broadcasters don't steal money from people who don't watch their shows in order to make them. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch. If you're British and you don't like the BBC you don't have to watch that either - but you DO have to pay for it.

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    7. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by PaxTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh.. Am I forced to buy the products advertised on the TV shows I watch? Do they come to my house and charge me with a crime if I don't?

      Saying the TV license is a pretty good deal implies that you have a choice whether to pay it or not. It's fundamentally anti-freedom to be FORCED, by LAW to pay for programming that you don't even watch just because you own a TV.

      No one else sees this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills... :) If Microsoft was a government controlled entity and every computer owner had to pay a license fee to fund Windows development, the slashbots would be losing their friggin' MINDS.

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    8. Re:Would this ever happen without the licence fee? by PaxTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Companies advertise on TV to sell more products. The more products they sell, the less they have to make per product due to economies of scale. I could argue that products being advertised on TV actually effectively lower prices overall.

      But you want to say they're slightly higher, and you compare this to a government imposed tax that no one has a choice not to pay because you personally feel that the tax is a good deal for you, since you happen to like what the government does with the money they take from other people by force?

      This is like talking to a wall. I guess it's an example of that quote I see on somebody's /. sometimes.. A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul's support.

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  5. Define profit by grahamsz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully for the bbc profit = "wide distribution of knowledge", not that traditional profit = "massive bonuses for executives"

  6. Where's the Monty Pythonizer? by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 5, Funny
    I want an API that turns any webpage into a Monty Python sketch!

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    Shopkeeper: Oh yes, a great Windows Update! Beautiful plummage.
    Customer: The plummage don't enter into it! The problem is that this Windows Security Update is dead.
    Shopkeeper: No, it's just resting! It will hop up any minute and dance around destroying viruses.
    Customer: This Windows Security Update would not dance around even if Linus Torvalds himself gave it CPR!

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  7. Further Proof... by eno2001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that the Beeb has got it right. In the media business, the focus should be on content generation and the flexibility of form in media. Who cares about market share or sales or ratings, when you are truly focused on creating content and sparking creativity amongst the viewers/readers/listeners, etc... This is why the quality of everything the BBC produces is of the highest caliber. The closest thing we have here in the states is the poorly underfunded PBS and NPR networks. The day that the Republicans decided to rip away government funding from PBS was a dark day indeed and we're still paying for it in every sense of the word. Discovery and TLC don't even come close to what PBS used to be able to offer when it got better governement funding. Kudos to the BBC for showing the rest of the world how good it could be.

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    1. Re:Further Proof... by mspohr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the poor funding of NPR is only part of the problem. The Republicans have packed the board of directors with partisans and are actively interfering in programming decisions. I expect that the PBS will soon be "fair and balanced" just like Fox News.

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    2. Re:Further Proof... by Cameroon · · Score: 2, Informative

      As an actual employee of PBS, I can say that there might be one or two Republicans floating around here. Just about everyone here is a Democrat or otherwise anti-Republican.

    3. Re:Further Proof... by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

      We wont be off air, although I'd expect the daily news (breakfast 1/6/10) to simulcast with News24 for the affected days, and radio 5 to have more phone ins and 4 to have more pre-recorded shows. There's enough non-unionised engineering effort (like myself) to cover.

      Long term however, the biggest problem I see is the R&D move to Manchester. They'll lose a lot of R&D engineers, which would be bad, maybe even fatal for the department. TBH the BBC could pay Murdoch for a studio and aupport to run a news channel, and provide the editors to ensure it's impartial. We don't need the facilities we have to output the news we do output. Sky do it (techincally, not content) better, cheaper and faster.

  8. PBS next? by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could a commercial broadcaster ever take a step like this?

    Not likely, but what about PBS doing something similar to what the Beeb is doing? There are other non-commecial broadcasting entities around the world which could do similar things.

  9. Extract from the Api by Zangief · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stream getMovie(char* movieName)

    getMovie returns a stream of data, if a movie called movieName exists, null otherwise.

    Stream getAd()

    getAd must be called before every call to getMovie. Otherwise, your computer explodes.

    From time to time, a call to getMovie is forwarded to a call to getAd.

    1. Re:Extract from the Api by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be thinking of RealPlayer ;)

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    2. Re:Extract from the Api by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny, but it's worth mentioning that the BBC have no ads on their TV channels, radio stations or website. That's not likely to change since they're funded by the license fee and as such we own them MWAHAHAHAHAHA...

  10. Automatic slashdot stories by ganhawk · · Score: 4, Funny

    We should use the API's to generate automatic stories on slashdot.
    Ofcourse, generated stories will be rejected if it does not contain certain keywords or dupes. So I propose combining this with Slashdot random story generator

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  11. Hmm by pHatidic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    BBC News wikipedizing proxy

    Doesn't this violate wikipedia's trademark?

    1. Re:Hmm by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      BBC News wikipedizing proxy

      Doesn't this violate wikipedia's trademark?

      Well, wiki seems to becoming a verb like google at this rate.

      I see so many wiki-ish links all over the place nowadays it's hard to tell which are actually using wiki, and which are just wiki-like.
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  12. Coding style... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean that we will have to program in proper English with a stiff upper lip? Will we get a compiler error if we use American slang and/or spelling? As long as we don't have to program in Esperanto...

    1. Re:Coding style... by peterpi · · Score: 3, Funny
      streamer.c:1: error: local time 16:01:43 GMT. Tea break detected. Recompile in 4 minutues 17 seconds
  13. Oh the irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I do like the comments attached to wikiproxy stating that it underlines links because links are meant to be underlined.

    It's all well and good being standing up for these sorts of things, just so long as you adhere to those standards too.

    Checking out the authors' website shows an abundance of links that are not underlined. Ah, the irony.

    Kicking the BBC is too easy - you really don't come across as all that revolutionary by laughing and pointing at the mistakes they make. So let's give a huge *well done* to those at the BBC who no doubt slayed the dragons and fought tooth and nail to get this out of the door.

    Still, nice way to claim some easy credit in all their hard work. Way to bask in the reflected glory!

  14. Re:Where's the Monty Pythonizer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously too long. It's expired, it's ceased to be...

  15. OGG/Vorbus by hey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are they using OGG or their own codec?
    (I recall stories about them developing one)

  16. Sexy by oliana · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've always found the BBC sexy. I used to think it was the accent, but I know I know it's a deeper love.

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  17. Want to grab a market by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Be promiscuous. Looks like they're basically planning to take over the news world.

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  18. Commercial problems... by nordicfrost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could a commercial broadcaster ever take a step like this?"

    As one who work in a commercial news website; nope. We offer simple feeds to private non-commercial sites that wants to have out 10 latest news headlines. But other than that, it would be like handing out gold over to the competition. Besies, we want people to visit our site. Not get all the goodies on other sites.

    Now, a state-run actor can do this, because their mraginal loss is approx. zero. We have a state rune broadcaster in Norway and they SUCK. I hate them with a passion, because thei charge the license fee and give us crap back. If there was an option to pay to the BBC and only get BBC programming to my TV, I'd do it in a heartbeat. NRK (the state broadcaster) has so much crap, I don't have the concistence to pay for it. So I don't have a TV.

    BBC is cool. they plan to make most of their archives available for the public free. Here we have out of copyright works DRMed in Windows Media DRM and published for a fee by the film board. How retarded is that? Do you want to see a clip from your state broadcaster produced comedy show that YOU financed through license fees? Cough up 5 dollars pr 1/2 hour, scumbag, and take this Media Player DRMed file.

    God, I hate them. No wonder they fail misreably in the internet sector, even while having the HUGE advantage f bein a state broadcaster.

  19. Parent is troll by rokzy · · Score: 3, Funny

    you don't need a license if you don't watch TV. even if you have a TV but only use it for watching videos you're fine.

    plus it's not just a TV license, it's for radio too.

    plus if you were really an "English man" you'd probably realise that it's one word.

  20. Re:*Free* by frostw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mate, move to Australia and suffer the piss poor excuse they have for TV and radio here. You'd never moan again. I did, and I would willingly sell my first born to be able to access BBC content again

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  21. Re:*Free* by Oxygen99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh do be quiet troll.

    The BBC license fee is one of the best investments you'll ever make. Where else can you be ensured of an impartial independent information channel with consistently high quality output imparted through channels so diverse you probably haven't heard of half of them. I'm sure you'll be ecstatic when the entire gamut of television in the United Kingdom runs from the Celebrity Wrestling to Footballer's Wives. Personally I'd prefer to keep programs such as the Power of Nightmares and The Office while supporting high quality radio and fantastic web services. All for £10, or $20 a month.

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  22. Appreciation of the BBC by HomeworkJunkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's only when I see comments on Slashdot (this shows the extent of my reading) that I come to appreciate what the BBC does and what my licence fee pays for. I have always been moaning about being forced to watch EastEnders by my wife, which is a realistic a portrayal of London as Friends is of New York.

    We do get a lot of American programs here and you start to think that the grass is greener. Then you actually watch an American channel and realise that most of the 40 minute program is made up of adverts. I was amazed the first time I saw an American channel. The titles started and then we went straight into an advert break. What!!. Talk about teasing you. You then watch 10 minutes of the actual program, which isn't bad, then you get the next ad break. You finally watch the last part of the program, which doesn't end with the titles but with another ad break. The titles then come after the ad break!?!

    Any hoo. The BBC website is always my first port of call for news, sport etc...; after Slashdot of course ;)

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  23. What is next after RSS? by ffdixon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While BBC's announcement is still about offering RSS and RDF feeds, and their APIs are not yet available, their effort is in the right direction.

    Do you ever get the feeling that when a site finally puts up an RSS feed, they are saying 'Look, we now have a feed. Have at it folks. That's it on our end. No need to innovate further." In contrast, the BBC is not just giving out more feeds for RSS readers: they are giving components for creating applications.

    I work at Serence, a company that for the last three years has been building a platform for deploying personal dashboards written in XML and JavaScript (http://www.serence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751) .

    We've been thinking a lot about this question: what is next after RSS?

    We think the next step beyond RSS is to create more intelligent clients, and we are trying to make it easier for people to do just that. Users want to have more control over their content. The BBC is realizing something that is counter-intuitive to many companies: give users more control over your content and it will increase adoption because each user can customize their awareness to their needs.

    Wow, this may even make the BBC cool again.

    Regards,... Fred

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  24. Re:Where's the Monty Pythonizer? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    Crow T. Trollbot

    Don't you mean Crówt, son of Trollbot, son of Thorgard, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed
    [Error: Bandwidth limit exceeded]

  25. Collaborative Tagging by delete · · Score: 4, Funny

    Interestingly enough, as part of the BBC's new service, they've provided a tagging system (associated with delicious).

    For example, the tags for Malcolm Glazer's takeover of Manchester United football club are currently given as:
    "utd wanker wanker asshat asshat utd beard"

    It's actually a great idea, but perhaps a little more tweaking may be in order.

  26. Re:Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. by bears · · Score: 2, Informative

    Round the Horne?

    Sir requires http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7. Wednesdays.