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Exploring Superstrings in the Lab

ultracool writes "Physicists at Utrecht University in the Netherlands have come up with a way of observing a superstring by utilizing Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC). A one-dimensional BEC in an optical lattice is rapidly rotated, causing a quantized vortex to form. The bosonic part of the superstring consists of this vortex line. Inside the vortex, they would trap an ultracold cloud of fermionic atoms. Hopefully this will allow observation of the supersymmetry between bosons and fermions, thus providing the first experimental evidence to support superstring theory."

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  1. Woah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I almost understood a word of that.. Almost.

    1. Re:Woah.. by inode_buddha · · Score: 2, Funny
      Let's hope and pray the Marketing Dept. doesn't turn all that into a buzzword.

      "Pro-actively enabling the supersymmetry between bosons and fermions..."

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    2. Re:Woah.. by STrinity · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's really simple. By reversing the fermionic tachyon waves of the Bose-Einstein condensation, they'll create bosonic quarks which will reveal, through quantum entanglement of anti-protons, the supersymetry of n-dimensional strings! Gah, it's so simple a pre-schooler could understand it.

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    3. Re:Woah.. by seanmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      I *almost* understood it. These books went a long way towards helping...

    4. Re:Woah.. by NtroP · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's really simple. By reversing the fermionic tachyon waves of the Bose-Einstein condensation, they'll create bosonic quarks which will reveal, through quantum entanglement of anti-protons, the supersymetry of n-dimensional strings!
      Oh. Now why couldn't they have said that to begin with?
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    5. Re:Woah.. by Aeiri · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's hope and pray the Marketing Dept. doesn't turn all that into a buzzword.

      "Pro-actively enabling the supersymmetry between bosons and fermions..."


      They'd change the words "bosons" to "bosoms", "fermions" to "females", and "superstrings" to "g-strings", then have a bunch of naked chicks dance around the screen with g-strings for the rest of the 30 seconds.

    6. Re:Woah.. by nanojath · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, it read to me like this: Physicists at Utrecht University in the Netherlands have come up with a way of observing a superstring by utilizing blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Hopefully this will allow observation of the blah blah blah blah blah, thus providing the first experimental evidence to support superstring theory."

      Of course it would.

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    7. Re:Woah.. by forgetful_ca · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. That whole article could have come straight from a Star Trek, insert technobafflegabhere script entry.

    8. Re:Woah.. by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 3, Funny

      It all made perfect sense to me. But I still can't understand women.

    9. Re:Woah.. by roseblood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, preschoolers on Star Trek so totaly have this down cold. Try to recal all that techno babble about this array or that conduit and the alignment of this anti-tachyon stream being routed through a quark(not the ferengi) filter, and delivered in an exotic glass vessle at Quarks bar(yes, the Ferrengi this time.)

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  2. I use super-strings all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/ StringBuilder.html .
    They're great. You can modify them and they aren't synchronized so they're fast, too. If these scientists are only just now discovering them they should try reading some newsgroups.

    1. Re:I use super-strings all the time by ModMeFlamebait · · Score: 2, Funny
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  3. More info... by KeiserSoze · · Score: 5, Informative

    A more detailed explanation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstringssuperstri ngs.

  4. No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Supersymmetry between bosons and fermions is not possible in your universe. We have seen to that.

  5. I saw that episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the one in which Q inverts a universal constant, right?

  6. It might not hurt... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...to refer people to more information on Bose-Einstein condensates (BEC):

    BEC wikipedia page
    BEC home page at Colorado
    BEC at NIST
    What is a BEC?

    1. Re:It might not hurt... by NtroP · · Score: 2, Funny
      It might not hurt to refer people to more information on Bose-Einstein condensates
      Heh. It might not help either.
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  7. Re:Why was this posted? by simcop2387 · · Score: 4, Informative

    this is the first experiment that could confirm the existence or non existance of super strings. This would begin to give emperical evidence to support String Theory. up until now most work on String Theory has been unable to provide a working way to test it. this could easily change the face of theoretical physics in the labs and particle accelerators.

  8. Supersymmetry != string theory by n0mad6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am not a condensed matter physicist (I'm a high-energy physicist), but it seems like this is a way to demonstrate a supersymmetry (a symmetry between fermions and bosons) rather than a demonstration of a string theory. In experimental high-energy physics, its widely believed that supersymmetry will be proven or disproven conclusively within the next decade. String theory is an entirely different matter.

    Any string theorists out there want to chime in?

    1. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by Stalyn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Witten said that proving supersymmetry would be helpful in understanding string theory. From what I understand supersymmetry down the road implies string theory. So if supersymmetry is disproved by implication so is string theory. However if supersymmetry is proved is does not prove string theory. But rather add towards understanding and maybe later proving string theory.

      but IANAST.

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    2. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm also not a string theorist, but I believe that (string theory) + (supersymmetry) = (superstrings). This seems to be an attempt to construct a condensed matter analog of the superstring theory that could underly particle physics. In other words, it's an analog that doesn't necessarily mean that superstrings are or are not the underlying fundamental theory of physics.

    3. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by maraist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Brian Greens' book "The elegant Universe" talks about the history of string theory and if I recall correctly, there were many branches of string theory. One breakthrough in the 80's was M-Theory which tried to consolidate the ideas of 2, 3 and higher-dimensional string-derivative theories. Unless I have the order mixed up, it was then that super-symmetry was introduced. If I am correct, then super-symmetry was part of an exciting theory that was a superset of conflicting theories which provided a semblance of unification (the fabled grand unification theory).

      The point is that, unless my memory of the order of progress is wrong, super-symmetry is relatively new to string-theory and definitely wasn't part of the original models. I do not know that disproving super-symmetry disproves all branches of string-theory. No branch yet has experimental prudence, so it's still possible that after back-tracking, one of the earlier branches was on the right track.

      Not just wishful thinking, I'm demonstrating that the disproof of super-symmetry does not end string theory; just string theory as we (read me) know it.

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    4. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nothing can prove string theory. You can only show that the observed behavior of something is consistent with string theory.

      But, from what you say, it sounds like there are a number of competing theories which all predict a certain kind of supersymmetric behavior for fermions and bosons.

      So, if this experiment works as string theory predicts, string theory and a number of other theories that predict the same thing get a feather in their collective caps.

    5. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by epine · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Dude, proof only exists within closed formal systems. The universe does not come with an end-user-license promising that any observation *ever* can be repeated, e.g. that the sun comes up tomorrow, or that protons don't decay into Mars Bars.

      What we've learned about the universe is that physical observation is highly (some say unrealistically) compressible. We write down a small set of rules (quantum electrodynamics is the best example) and then we find that trillions of physical measurements taken from just about any situation we can think up are *consistent* with the small set of rules we've written down. This doesn't mean the set of rules we've written down it the smallest set of rules consistent with the universe. With each "unification" (e.g. electricity with magnetism) the set of rules becomes more compact relative to how much of the universe it consistently describes. It's important to note that we usually know ahead of time that our system of rules can't possibly be consistent with everything (general relatively and quantum mechanics are inconsistent in their present forms). From the point of view of proof, we knew from the outset that both of these theories are false. Yet each of these theories describes an incredible range of phenomena, and for the most part, the two theories don't much overlap in what they describe. If they did overlap more, it would be far easier to concoct experiments to resolve the known inconsistencies.

      I'm quite depressed at how few people are familiar with the work of Kolmogorov and Chaitin. Most physicists fail to fully appreciate these results. The bottom line is that algorithmic compressibility is all we've got, and truth itself is a gossamer filigree we can at best approximate.

    6. Re:Supersymmetry != string theory by Pentagram · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is the most insightful piece of text beginning with "Dude" that I have ever come across.

  9. Think of the applications! by dj245 · · Score: 4, Funny
    The bosonic part of the superstring consists of this vortex line. Inside the vortex, they would trap an ultracold cloud of fermionic atoms.

    This has direct implications for the food industry. No longer will superstring cheese have to be refrigerated, the fermionic atoms will maintain an ultracold cloud around the superstring cheese, keeping it tasty and fresh. Yum.

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  10. Proving Superstring Theory would be useful . . by Glaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they can demonstrate that the predictions of superstring theory hold true, and that it can actually be used to connect Quantum Physics with Relativistic Physics, we might actually be able to stop some of the bickering that goes on among Physicists today.

    What does that mean for us? Well, when Newton found physical laws that worked more generally than Aristotle thought, Physics was born and we were launched into a new era of science. Einstein's Special (and then, afterward) General Relativity made what we consider the modern era possible.

    Quantum Physics and Relativity have always been at odds, though. After all, what makes gravity operate at a quantum level? Superstring theory is one of several "theories of everything" that would allow us to explain the world in more general terms--and in the past, every time that has happened, society and technology has taken leaps and bounds forward.

    What will happen if we find out that Superstring theory really is the theory of everything? It's liable to be as outlandishly unthought of as space travel to the people of the turn of the 20th century.

  11. Re:Why was this posted? by pocketfullofshells · · Score: 2, Informative

    String Theory was unknown to me until I saw the awesome Nova special on it..

    from the article : String theorists attempt to explain all the fundamental particles as vibrations on tiny strings on length scales of about 10-33 metres. The theory naturally includes "supersymmetry" - a symmetry that connects particles with integer spin, known as bosons, to particles with half-integer spin, which are known as fermions. The particles that carry the fundamental forces of nature, such as the photon and the gluon, are bosons, while the quarks and leptons that make up matter are fermions. Although superstring theory is the leading candidate for a theory of everything, there is no experimental evidence to date for strings or supersymmetry.

  12. Far Stringtopia by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interstellar space is "ultracold", and there are some accumulations of bosonic and fermionic atoms there. Could these superstringy conditions be found there, and observed by instruments on Earth?

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    1. Re:Far Stringtopia by zerbot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intrastellar space is not ultracold, it's pretty darn hot (4 Kelvin) when you contrast that to the temperatures needed to form a BEC (around 170 nanoKelvin).

  13. char array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's still a char array, no matter how sophisticated MSDN tries to make it sound.

  14. Superstring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't you just puss the button on top of the can and the superstring sprays all over the lab?

  15. Re:I suppose it makes sense to physicists by Dr.+Weird · · Score: 5, Informative
    If some object is made up of an even number of fermions, it is a boson, otherwise it is a fermion (the neutrons and protons that make up the nuclei of the atom are each fermions, as are the electrons surrounding it).

    Now, for the reason: if you know some quantum physics, think of taking two composite objects and interchanging them; fermions wavefunctions change sign under this interchange. For the composite object, its wavefunction looks like (an anti-symmetrized) product of single-particle wavefunctions. If those are fermionic and there are an odd number of them in the composite wave function, interchanging the two composite wavefunctions will produce an odd number of sign changes in the product, for an overlal sign change. If there are instead an even number of fermionic single-particle wavefunctions in the composite wavefunction, the resulting even number of sign changes under interchange produces no net sign change in the many-body wavefunction.

    This is easily extended to composite objects that are a composite of both bosons and fermions.

  16. Uh huh by Shky · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The bosonic part of the superstring consists of this vortex line. Inside the vortex, they would trap an ultracold cloud of fermionic atoms. Hopefully this will allow observation of the supersymmetry between bosons and fermions, thus providing the first experimental evidence to support superstring theory."

    Pfft. Well, obviously.

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  17. Ahh.. by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    And if we channel a reverse impulse through the reflector dish, the superstring will disperse the space-time anomoly. Aren't you waiting for some of this quantum research to accidentally unleash a super-mega-quantum bomb.. "safety tip - avoid trying to look under God's skirts".

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  18. MOD PARENT UP! by Dr.+Weird · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is an important point that I think the article really butchers: as far as I can tell (and I am a condensed matter physicist), they are *NOT* actually creating fundamental superstrings, i.e. those predicted by string theory. Rather, they are creating objects in BEC's that behave in exactly the same way as predicted by that theory.

    To use a computational analogy, they are simulating the equations of string theory using a BEC as the computer. So whatever results they get had better agree with string theory! They aren't actually testing whether these explain the world, just exploring the equations of string theory with an efficient computer -- the BEC.

  19. Yes it is. by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course it's possible to see symmetry between bosoms and females--

    (hears enraged Slashdotters worldwide screaming bosons and fermions)

    --what? nah, I've no idea about those.

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  20. Here's the Nova Special - watch it online by datafr0g · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

    All 3 hours of it are avaliable on PBS's website.
    It's amazing stuff.

    The book "The Elegant Universe" by Brain Greene is what the TV Special above is based on.
    Definitly worth a look at - if you enjoy the TV special, have a look around for the book... It goes into a LOT more detail.

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    1. Re:Here's the Nova Special - watch it online by Blublu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try these direct links:

      Hour 1: 1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
      Hour 2: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
      Hour 3: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

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  21. Re:I want a room temp condensate by BillX · · Score: 3, Funny

    A liquid or solid condensate at room temp exhibiting BEC properties will be nice. I wonder if liquid helium can be made that way.

    If you can flow liquid helium up your arm at room temperature, it's time to talk to your landlord ASAP.

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  22. Re:I suppose it makes sense to physicists by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 4, Informative
    What makes atoms bosonic versus fermionic? Just whether or not they follow the Pauli exclusion principle?
    No, obedience or non-obedience of the Pauli exclusion principle does not define what is a fermion or a boson. It is just a property of fermions that they obey the Pauli principle, and a property of bosons that they do not.
    So what's the definition of a fermion or a boson, and in this specific case, of a fermionic or bosonic nucleus?
    Bosons have integer spin, and fermions have half-integer (n+1/2, where n is a nonnegative integer) spin. The spins of the individual quarks in nucleons (protons and neutrons) always add up to a half-integer, so nucleons are fermions. The quarks themselves are too. The spins of the nucleons in a nucleus can add up in different ways, depending on the number of each kind (proton and neutron) present. When the spins add to become an integer, the nucleus is bosonic. When the spins add to a half-integer, the nucleus is fermionic.
    If a given nucleus is fermionic, then identical nuclei of that type obey the Pauli exclusion principle. If the nucleus is bosonic, then the Pauli exclusion principle does not apply to it, and the possibility of a collection of that kind of nucleus forming a BEC exists.
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  23. Ummm... Reality check. by volsung · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not to rain on anyone's parade, but based on that article, this is NOT a test of supersymmetry or string theory in the sense the article blurb leads you to believe. (Surprised?) These physicists have thought up a clever way to create an analog to a superstring out of a macroscopic quantum system. The neat thing about condensed matter physics is that you can concoct systems that behave like more fundamental systems which you can't easily create. You can then test the implications of a particular mathematical model.

    So this is very cool (literally!) science, but NOT a test of superstring theory as a way to describe fundamental particles or interactions. At best, it will provide some interesting checks of the mathematical predictions of string-like theories, but only translated into this system. You still won't know if string theory has any hope of describing real electrons, photons, gravitons, etc.

  24. NOT *really* superstrings *or* supersymmetry! by dr.+loser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IAAP (I am a physicist), and again we have an physics article posted by someone who doesn't know the difference between reality and an analogy.

    The system that these folks propose to study (quantized vorticity in a Bose-Einstein condensate) can be described with the same type of mathematics that is used in superstring theory. The proposed experiments would test the validity of the math. These experiments would say nothing about whether the math of superstring theory is a valid description of the world!

    A similar situation would be the following: observing a weight on a spring would confirm the math behind simple harmonic oscillators. It would not, however, tell me anything about whether the vibrational modes of the sun obey those same equations.

    Analogy != equivalence!

  25. I hope they dont "believe" in it either.... yet by deft · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good scientitst might have a good feeling, a hunch, but are ready to be disproved so they can move on, because a negative value is just as good as a positive (if not as exciting).

    That beleive stuff is for tooth fairies and god(s) :)

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  26. These books went a long way towards helping... by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though I haven't compleated it yet I'll got "The Elegant Universe. Richard Morris also wrote some good books before he died.

    Falcon
  27. Re: Why was this posted? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    this is the first experiment that could confirm the existence or non existance of super strings.

    Frankly, I'm a little bit annoyed by the treatment of scientific theories as 'absolute truths'. It's been a while since I studied physics, but basically, it works as follows:

    You have empirical evidence: things you can feel, touch, hear, smell, see, etc. Beyond that, you have NOTHING. To be more precise: speculation (theory). The best theories are simply the ones that best, or most easily explain empirical findings (what you can see, touch, smell, etc.)

    So the power of say, Einstein's relativity theories is not that they're 'true', but that they are theories that offer the most simple, and/or general explanation of everything we can see, hear, feel, etc. On a scale ranging from sub-atomic to inter-galactic.

    Not that I'm trying to bash the parent poster in any way. I would be thrilled if something like the String Theory would gain in strength. But why? Not because it would be 'true', but because it could offer a single, unifying explanation about an incredible number of phenomena we see, feel, hear, measure, etc. A minimal set of rules that explains how our universe works. And (between the lines) offer some hints about the true nature of our universe.

    But in the end: THEORY. Because I can't feel atoms or sub-atomic particles, or know anyone that can. Nor can I touch gravity waves, or imagine the speed of light in my head. But a few (relatively, no pun intended) simple rules that explain everything I could ever see, touch, hear, smell or feel, would be really, really awesome.
  28. Re:I suppose it makes sense to physicists by Parlyne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In this case, it doesn't matter whether the nucleus is a boson or a fermion. It matters whether the atom as a whole is. Since BECs are created at very low temperatures, it is pretty much assured that every atom has all its electrons, and, for the purposes of interactions with other atoms, acts as a single particle.

    I bring this up because it is quite possible to have a fermionic atom with a bosonic nucleus. Take, for example, Nitrogen-14. The 14, or course, means it must have 14 nucleons, making the nucleus a boson. However, Nitrogen has 7 protons. Thus, an N-14 atom will have 7 electrons, for a grand total of 21 fermions. With an odd number of fermions, the atom is a fermion, as well.

    And, of course, there are also atoms with fermionic nuclei that are, themselves, bosons (Hydrogen comes to mind).

  29. Re:I suppose it makes sense to physicists by Dr.+Weird · · Score: 2, Informative
    An electron "has spin 1/2." By this, it is meant that the magnitude of its spin, if measured is 1/2. This is true.

    But spin is a vector -- it can point in any direction in space. Thus it has a direction too (hence the plus or minus).

    That answers your question, but at this point you might wonder why it is assigned either plus or minus 1/2 and not any arbitrary vector. The answer is that due to the weirdness of the spin space (that is, where the electron's spin "lives"), it can be described as a projection onto the plus and minus 1/2 spin vectors along a particular axis. You are, of course, free to choose your axis.

  30. Re:I want a room temp condensate by buford_tannen · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you can flow liquid helium up your arm at room temperature, it's time to talk to your landlord ASAP.

    The poster is probably just mistaking the instantly condensed nitrogen from the atmosphere for liquid helium. Liquid nitrogen (and oxygen the other gases in our atmosphere) runs down the plumbing of your helium container as the liquid boils off and escapes.

    Having LN2 run down your arm is not very pleasant either, however. Stings like electric shock at first, and if it stops stinging you know you're in BIG trouble.

    IANAP, but I am an MRI technician.

    A side note: Liquid helium is very expensive to produce. The bulk of the cost of production is in harvesting the gas to compress down to liquid form. All the helium that exists on Earth is the product of eons of radioactive decay. When the liquid boils off, the escaping gas rises far above our reach. That's ironic, given that He is the second most abundant element in the universe... yet we have to pay more for it than for oil (around $10 per liter).

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  31. Re:And here's what they'll see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


  32. Re:I suppose it makes sense to physicists by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 2, Informative

    The defining property of a fermion and a boson is that a fermions probability amplitudes add with a minus sign and a bosons probablitly amplitudes add with a postive sign[...]

    As the saying goes, I don't think those words mean what you think they do.

    Fermions and bosons are only defined in the context of more-that-one-particle states. One-particle states couldn't care less. The idea is that for identical particles, a particle permutation has to be a valid symmetry of the system (after all, you can't tell them apart) - and since a permutation squared is the identity, the corresponding eigenvalues of the permutation operator can be 1 and -1, that is symmetric and antisymmetric. Now:

    fermions: the total wavefunction of the system is antisymmetric under a particle permutation (P[psi] = -psi)

    bosons: the total wavefunction of the system is symmetric under a particle permutation (P[psi] = psi)

  33. Re: Why was this posted? by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative
    You'll be feeling all sorts of sub-atomic particles.

    Incorrect! He'll feel electromagnetic fields coursing through his body. This is a valuable experience of one of the four fundamental forces of the universe (jumping out of a fifth story building would give exposure to gravity and technically the strong force though breaking your knuckles with a visegrip is a better demonstration of that force) so it's all to the good. The actual transfer of subatomic particles will be negligiable though. A better choice for him would be putting a highly radioactive isotope in his pants.

  34. Greene seems sleazy by DoubleReed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    STRING THEORY IS NOT A THEORY, IT MAKES NO PREDICTIONS
    This may not be fair, but Greene struck me as kind of sleazy. Notice how he is both the narrator of the show, and also one of the people being interviewed. Also notice how he breezes past making concrete predictions.
    Maybe this criticism isn't fair, and this is how all revolutionary theories look when they are young. But it just struck me that Greene was presenting this stuff as though it was allready laid in stone. He basically tells the narrative story of the triumph of string theory, going from a graduate students pet theory to... a bunch of theorists' pet theory.
    String theory hasnt triumphed, isnt even in a position that it is possible for it to triumph yet. So what is Greene praising so boldly? A highly speculative area which is at this point only of interest to pure theorists, since it has (as of yet) zero predictive powers.
    At one point I think the lack of evidence gets so painful that he points out that there are alot of researchers working in the field of string theory now. The number is just kind of dropped vaguely like "hundreds of researchers".
    The best argument he has for its validity is that it looks promising to alot of people. After all this talk about how modern physics is so confusing and counter-intuitive he circles around and uses intuition (admittedly professional intuition)to justify why this new way of doing things is better.

  35. STRING THEORY IS NOT A THEORY by DoubleReed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    STRING THEORY IS NOT A THEORY. A THEORY MAKES PREDICTIONS

    String theory is just a bunch of theoretical constructs which may some day be put together into something useful.
    Imagine the concept of "forces" without F=ma. "All the motion we see is actually caused by these things called forces, really. Every time something moves a force was involved."
    Pretty useless, it basically is just a tautology: small things aren't electrons and quarks etc, they are actually strings. Every time you see anything it isn't what you think it is, it is really a string or group of strings which happen to behave exactly like what you think it is. Great. So... what?
    Alot of people seem to be excited because of the mathematical richness of this area. I am not even nearly competent to evaluate this directly, but thinking back to basic proofs that everyone has done in highschool, if you slip up you end up proving something like "0=0". Maybe this promising mathematical complexity is purely in the math and has no physical meaning. The 21st century equivalent of epicycles.

  36. Re: Why was this posted? by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Incorrect! He'll feel electromagnetic fields coursing through his body

    Are you forgetting wave-particle duality? The electromagnetic force is transmitted by electrons, which are subatomic particles. Along with gluons and photons they are bosons, IIRC.

  37. Quick! by zeus_tfc · · Score: 2, Funny

    Quick, somebody get me a pre-schooler to explain that to me. I can't make heads or tails of it.

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