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No Billboards in Space

An anonymous reader writes "CNN is reporting that the Federal Aviation Administration proposed Thursday to amend its regulations to ensure that it can enforce a law that prohibits 'obtrusive' advertising in zero gravity." From the article: "For instance, outsized billboards deployed by a space company into low Earth orbit could appear as large as the moon and be seen without a telescope, the FAA said. Big and bright advertisements might hinder astronomers."

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  1. Huh? by caluml · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And sorry, who is enforcing this law? I wasn't aware that the US owned space.

    1. Re:Huh? by YetAnotherAnonymousC · · Score: 5, Funny

      The politicians and bueraucrats will be enforcing it... we'll be firing them into space at the billboards! =)

    2. Re:Huh? by Spetiam · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Big and bright advertisements might hinder astronomers."

      Not to mention the proliferation of space junk.

      I wasn't aware that the US owned space.

      Wow, even when we propose keeping space clean, you just can't pass up the chance to do a little US-bashing, can you?

    3. Re:Huh? by clem.dickey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I wasn't aware that the US owned space.

      It would be silly to say that the US owns space. That would be like saying that it owns, oh, Iraq. Historically nations have had "ownership" according to how far they can project force. The "three mile limit" for ocean ownership was determined by the range of shore guns. The USSR did not "own" its airspace until it proved that it could shoot down a U2 spy plane.

      If the US Air Force succeds in militarizing space, the US may indeed "own" it. That may prove easier than "owning" Iraq. :-)

      On a separate topic, it seems to me that a LEO banner would be visible mostly at dusk or dawn. How would it be lit in the middle of the night? Reflection from terrestrial lights maybe, or flourexcent paint?

    4. Re:Huh? by daveo0331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. can't unilaterally say "no billboards in space" but they can certainly say things like "US based companies can't put billboards in space" or "no launching rockets from US territory to put a billboard in space" or similar things. Also, outlawing it here in the US could be a step toward getting other countries and/or international organizations to outlaw the practice too. Then if you wanted to put a billboard in space, you'd have to launch it from someplace like North Korea or Syria or international waters (but your ship couldn't be registered in a country that signed onto the treaty), and once in orbit it would last about 10 minutes before a UN missile shot it down (as agreed previously in a UN resolution).

      So yes, if just the US outlaws this, it's silly, but it could be a step toward something more meaningful.

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    5. Re:Huh? by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Informative
      The U.S. owns the space the space above the U.S..

      If that were true, the Soviet Union would not have been able to fly over U.S. territory and vice-versa. It was a deliberate choice Eisenhower made in 1955 when he proposed his "Open Skies" initiative. When Sputnik flew a few years later, he didn't complain about its flying over US territory because he wanted the right to do the same thing. In 1960 when Corona flew, it made a hash of the fear that the Soviets had an advantage over us and enabled Eisenhower to focus on domestic issues instead of meeting a non-existant military threat.

      Outer space is open to whomever can get there.

  2. The DOT needs to do the same by ForestGrump · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No big, bright billboards by highways either- because they are a distraction to drivers.

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  3. In other news.. by AndOne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Europe annouces a space billboard initiative. Part of this initiative involves a unilateral declaration that any attempt to remove their billboards will be seen as an act of agression. Followed by what sounded like muffled laughter.

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    1. Re:In other news.. by Catamaran · · Score: 4, Funny
      Don't forget the French have got the bomb. And the Brits.

      The French don't have the Brits, we do. Get your facts straight.

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  4. Disc-shaped ads... by jemenake · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they occupy as much solid-angle as the moon, then they could eclipse the sun (or moon). Can you imagine disc-shaped billboards? I can see it now... "This eclipse brought to you by Coca-Cola!" Better yet, "All your photons are belong to us". - Joe

  5. Launch sites. by redfenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, the FAA controls the US airspace, right? So, they probably won't allow any of these LEO Billboards to be launched in the U.S.

    Of course, there's virtually nothing they can do if an LEO craft is launched from some other location and meanders over the U.S. from time to time.

    Perhaps they could do something if it were placed in a geostationary orbit over the U.S. but then it wouldn't be in LEO.

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    1. Re:Launch sites. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except LEO is maybe 120 miles up, whereas geostationary orbit is about 34000 miles up. I don't think people realize how far 34,000 miles is. You can see mountains 100 miles away on a clear day, so a sign in LEO is not unreasonable. But just try to make a sign so big it can be seen from GEO. Go ahead.

  6. Buy Jupiter, but leave at least one moon. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > be seen without a telescope
    >
    > So we could still make a deal if aliens drop by wanting to buy Jupiter.

    Jupiter? Yeah, we at AlienClick [mttp://1.3.9.27.81.243] can do that. In fact, all these worlds can be yours for $39.99 per line, except Europa, which has been reserved by a prior bidder.

  7. Might?! by GreyOrange · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a member of the astronomy club here in Orlando and Disney World about 35 miles away impedes our observations. Any astronomer will tell you that a full moon can ruin observations for the night and any billboard that's as bright as the moon and is in full brightness all the time is going to tick every astronomer off within the viewable region. I feel sorry for any country's astronomers where one of these things get put up.

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  8. Re:Astronomers?! by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, I don't think doing something like this would be a positive step for a company to take. They'd get a whole lot of publicity out of it right at the beginning, but pretty soon it'd become a major eyesore, and there'd be a lot of loathing towards them for putting it there. Looking at it would get old really quick.

    There'd probably be some significant protesting outside their HQ and whatnot. There would be calls for boycotting, which would probably gain some traction, as people become more and more tired of it.

    If some company did it, and it was only visible up there for a few days, they'd get some serious publicity, and if they let it die while it was still a novelty, they'd get mostly good press and an excited public. I'd check a website to find out when it'd be overhead, and then go watch it pass over a few times. Just as long as it doesn't stay long enough to become an eyesore.

    After a few of these advertisements happened, it'd cease to be a novelty, and the excitement of seeing one would wear off, and people would turn against them.

    That's how I imagine it at least.

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  9. Old and silly Joke by elgrinner · · Score: 5, Funny

    An American Officer runs up to his superior and says excitedly: "Sir, Sir! The Soviets have painted the moon red, what should we do?"
    After a little contemplation the man replied: "Take a bucket of white paint to the moon and write Coca Cola on it."

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  10. What?!? No "CHA" on the moon? by FrankieBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chairface Chippendale will be real disappointed.

    SPOON!!!!