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E3 2005 - A Look Back

Last week was so interesting I caught the plague and died for two days. Now that I've gotten a rez and E3 has wrapped up, a look back is in order. Ferrago takes a look at E3 no-shows, like STALKER, while GamesIndustry.biz has a look at statistics. The big three PR conferences were some of the highlights of the Expo, and Gamespot tells us who 'won'. The best way to get a feel for what happened last week, though, is to get it firsthand. The Casual Gamer Experiment is over, with his impressions now available. Personal accounts are available at Press the Buttons, GamersInfo.net, CliffyB.com, Grimwell.com, John Davison's Blog, and Jeremy Parish's Blog. Was there any firsthand E3 coverage that you particularly liked this year? What did you think of G4's live broadcasting, if you caught it? Update: 05/23 18:56 GMT by Z : Obligitory PA link. From the post: "I don't believe there is any such thing as a 'Playstation 3' yet, and I don't believe in the Killzone video. What I do believe is that Sony harnessed the media and then rode it from place to place, one hand on the bridle while the other waved madly in the air."

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  1. Rez? by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

    Now that I've gotten a rez and E3 has wrapped up...

    Now you got my hope up for nothing, I thought that somehow I had missed out on the revelation of a new Rez game.

    1. Re:Rez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no no, he obviously was trained while zoning into the confrence center, and had to wait until the end of E3 to get a cleric to rez him. That must have been boring stuck on the floor all that time....

  2. Next generation consoles. by RemovableBait · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the most interesting thing to come out of E3 this time round was the consoles. It isn't all that often when the three big time players release details around the same dates, and I suspect that many people were interested to find Sony's response to the Xbox 360 'launch party'.

    I think it was most disappointing that Nintendo couldn't elaborate on the capabilities of their latest console or give us an insight into what they truly believe will compete with the PSP -- after all, rumors suggest that the DS is merely a 'third pillar'. It was also pretty dreadful that Sony chose to show concept videos and pre-rendered trailers instead of actual game footage rendered in real time, as Microsoft did -- even if it was on Alpha hardware (read: PowerMac G5s).

    It definitely showed for one thing, that gaming is taking a nice twist down the High Definition path -- and that online services and expectations are much, much higher than four years ago. The only thing I fear, is that the price will be much higher too...

    1. Re:Next generation consoles. by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      The Xbox 360 was about what I expected for the next generation... The PS3 surprised me with some of it's visuals, but that's mostly because it can do many more shaders at once than the 360 can. As far as the specs and what we were shown, I'd say the Cell isn't what it was hyped up to be, it's barely faster than MS's triple PPC. It was made clear that nVidia is way ahead of ATI these days as far as the GPUs went though...

      Even after all the eye-candy and hype explosion, I'm still excited to see what the Revolution's games will look like. The Nintendo guys didn't seem to be too distressed at what they saw from the competition, and the ability to play every Nintendo game on a single console is pretty damn awesome. The Revolution was definitely easier on the eyes than the hideous PS3 and Xbox360 console designs.

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    2. Re:Next generation consoles. by RemovableBait · · Score: 0

      I'd say the Cell isn't what it was hyped up to be, it's barely faster than MS's triple PPC

      And you can bet it'll be more expensive than MS's little combo.

      the ability to play every Nintendo game on a single console is pretty damn awesome.

      I can see one huge flaw with this one. Where's the hard drive to hold all the games you download? Yes, it has 512MB flash and memory card support, but both the PS3 and 360 are going forward with the hard drives... and I think in this case Nintendo might have had more use for one than the PS3.

      The PS3 surprised me with some of it's visuals

      Where did you see the visuals? I'd love the see the link, because all the videos from the E3 floor were pre-rendered on different hardware. It'd be nice to actually see a side-by-side comparison of the graphics power.

    3. Re:Next generation consoles. by theREALMcCoy · · Score: 1

      I agree, the PS3 design is aweful. Its like they ripped off some Bose design. And the concave xbox360? Whats that all about? By far, the Revolution looks the best.

    4. Re:Next generation consoles. by Rallion · · Score: 1

      It'd be nice to actually see a side-by-side comparison of the graphics power.

      I agree, but you know we'll have nothing reliable until...well, until the PS3 actually launches, honestly.

    5. Re:Next generation consoles. by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      Unreal 2007 and the tech demos (ducks,leaves,ff7,etc) are the only ones I believe were real time...maybe fight night too

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    6. Re:Next generation consoles. by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      They also ripped off the SpiderMan movies' font...I wonder if that was on purpose since they showed so many Spiderman related demos?

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    7. Re:Next generation consoles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a free font. And take a look at who owns the studio that produced Spider Man.

      All people can do is kvetch about the case and the font. Golly that's shallow.

    8. Re:Next generation consoles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't think space is a big deal when it comes to downloaded games. NES games are generally below 0.1 megabytes, SNES games are a couple of meg and N64 games around 25 megabytes. For the average person who just gets Goldeneye and some of the Mario games you probably won't even have to get an extra memory card. The emulators aren't that big either, and will probably be on a ROM anyway.
      For gamecube games you'll likely have to buy the disk rather than download - they're pretty big to get over a typical broadband connection, as well as too big to reasonably store without a hard drive.

      What really intrigues me is the possibility that old games from other systems could also be available. There's no technical reason why the entire library for, say, the Sega Master System and Megadrive couldn't also be on the revolution, likewise for the old Neo Geo, Ataris etc. And since these consoles are all from companies that no longer make hardware the licensing might not be that difficult to arrange either.
      Likewise games for Nintendo and non-Nintendo handhelds could be on the system...
      Imagine the history of gaming at your fingertips! It won't actually happen, as Nintendo will no doubt charge you $5 a go and limit it to A-list first-party games. But it could be pretty damn cool, like having a MAME cabinet legally...

    9. Re:Next generation consoles. by theREALMcCoy · · Score: 1

      The case and font is all we have to criticize, considering that there was no actual gameplay demonstrated. And while we're on the subject, those controls looked rediculous.

  3. G4 stuff by ZephyrXero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The G4 stuff was okay, but I wish they had spent more time showing us actual game footage rather than the hosts chatting about what they thought...

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    1. Re:G4 stuff by th3walrus · · Score: 1

      Agreed. G4 proved it's long time pandering to the least common denominator with hot chicks, atheletes, and lame skits.

      I want to see game/hardware reviews and news as reported by real gamers, not models picked to host a TV show. Another good idea would be interviews with industry leaders and not celebrities, atheletes, and booth babes.

    2. Re:G4 stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's any consolation, I spent most of my time at E3 looking for the G4 people while they were recording segments, then shouting pithy comments like "G4 Sucks!" or farting at their sound guy.

    3. Re:G4 stuff by zamboni1138 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Believe it or not, I'm watching E3!

      Never thought I'd get in so easily!

    4. Re:G4 stuff by Drakino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The G4 stuff was what I expected it to be. And it's the same reason I normally skip the channel. They spend too much time cracking stupid jokes, or insulting their audience. Back before the G4/TechTV mess, I'd only watch shows on TechTV for gaming news. I was a bit disappointed when the game show changed into XPlay with a G4ish additude, but back then it was still better then G4 shows.

      The interviews they got with some people were nice, but still not as good as I would hope.

      Oh well, at least we have plenty of other methods to fill ourselves in about E3. I'm still trying to catch up, since attending the show is a sure fire way to make sure you miss a ton of it.

    5. Re:G4 stuff by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      That guy sounded and looked a hell of a lot like Jack Black...heh

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  4. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    gotten a rez

    Gotten a what?

  5. Sony's Presentation by TheCamper · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought Sony's presentation was awesome. The X-Box 360 presentation was all about pizazz, and how they would be everything to every gamer, and how the new Live would change everything. They also showed clips from many action and sports titles. Blah. But Sony's presentation was all about numbers, the new cell technology, and tech demos actually SHOWING what their new tech can do. It was awesome. You can get the micrososft conference here as a torrent or direct download: http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=e3xbox _20050516_300.wmv. Unfortunately, I can't find a link for the sony presentation. I myself dumped it to my hard drive from a video stream found on Gamespot http://www.gamespot.com/.

    1. Re:Sony's Presentation by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would have been more impressed if Sony hadn't shown so many "to spec" videos as they call them, or as I like to call them, pre-rendered concept videos. The Unreal 2007, Tech Demos (ducks,leaves,doc oc,ff7) and maybe Fight Night were the only ones that were fairly real demonstrations of what the system can do. Everything else was just theoretical... And if you look back to the PS2's original tech demos they never got to the level they showed in some of them, like the Tekken demo for example...

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    2. Re:Sony's Presentation by TheCamper · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was referring to the tech demos. The other stuff is meaningless.

      But Sony's presentation was all about numbers, the new cell technology, and tech demos actually SHOWING what their new tech can do.

    3. Re:Sony's Presentation by Rallion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think SOny's focus on numbers is terrible, since none of them actually MEAN a damn thing. Even the ones that aren't just made up are irrelevant.

      Check out the Nintendo press conference. At the beginning, when Reggie comes out, he talks about numbers a little, yes. But at the same time, he makes fun of the other number-heavy presentations a little, when they put up a huge slide that just has a big "2" on it. I think their presentations show where they want to go with their ideas, and that's more meaningful than some numbers.

      Plus, you sure as hell never see Sony Entertainment's top dog up there talking about how nothing makes him happier than seeing the birth of a new gamer.

    4. Re:Sony's Presentation by TheCamper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think SOny's focus on numbers is terrible, since none of them actually MEAN a damn thing. Even the ones that aren't just made up are irrelevant.

      I agree that numbers aren't the important thing here; it's the games. I agree that Nintendo has more heart than Sony. I'm just saying that it gets me excited when I see a demo of tens of thousands of rendered leaves in a huge vortex. It also gets me excited when the man running the demo tells me that there is enough processing power to give each leaf it's own audio channel. It's not the most important thing in the world. I'm just saying that it's exciting.

    5. Re:Sony's Presentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, don't you hate it when companies pass stuff done on their development computers as the final results?

      Sooo.... How about those Xbox360 demos/games? Looking *great* for a system that is going to be released in about 7-months.

    6. Re:Sony's Presentation by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1, Troll

      " Yeah, don't you hate it when companies pass stuff done on their development computers as the final results? Sooo.... How about those Xbox360 demos/games? Looking *great* for a system that is going to be released in about 7-months."

      I don't know if I'm just misreading you or what, but I think you've got it backwards....

      It's fairly impressive that the 360 stuff we've seen is running on alpha hardware that's got 2/3s the processing power and probably less than half the GPU in realtime compared to pre-rendered stuff that's just theoretical. I'm pretty surprised MS is being more open and honest about their performance than Sony...lol

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    7. Re:Sony's Presentation by johnnliu · · Score: 1

      Nintendo play the we're better hardware game when they lost to Sony's 32bit PS1. N64 died.

      Microsoft play the we're better hardware game when they lost to Sony's PS2. XBox did not die, managed to more or less squeeze GB out though.

      Now, Sony's playing the we're better hardware game. Result unknown.

      I suspect the winner will need to have:
      1. More choice of games/developer support
      2. Early to market
      3. Other gimmicks, pricing.

      Also, with the new performance power of the next generation machines - games that will really take advantage of those hardware will be more difficult to create - which will drive costs up. Either it means we'll see lots of games that are for PS3 when really they can run on PS2. Or game prices will go up, or game developers end up taking more risks and could make or break on every game they create.

      With Nintendo slugging behind Sony or MS, it would be sad to see them defeated for another generation. I feel they are scaring their customers.

      On hindsight as to why PS2 beat XBox. I feel the major reason was because they have more game choices. Some exclusives also made a lot of difference.

  6. "Winning" E3 by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gamespot tells us who 'won'

    It ain't a competition, people! If it was, Sega'd still be making consoles and Microsoft would be out of the business (after their initial E3 in 2000, which was a disaster).

    The competition comes later in the marketplace. And as has been proven time and time again, the public knows or cares not a whit what happens at E3. E3 is interesting to follow for those of us who do follow it, but it means absolutely nothing to the fortunes of anybody concerned.

    Articles like the one at GameSpot serve no purpose, and the analyst they quote is a moron. Things may or may not shake out the way he predicts, but it won't be because of E3. It has happened time and time again that the "winner" of any individual E3 goes on to lose badly in marketplace in the following years, and vice versa. I'd even go so far as to say "winning" E3, especially when new consoles are introduced, is almost a jinx.

    1. Re:"Winning" E3 by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
      and the 2005 e3 winner is:

      Drumroll Please_______O

      Gamers, GameStores, BlockBuster, Gamefly.

      I think the announcement of Backwards Compatability by the big three is the best news since 2 btn controllers. Nintendo's back catalog is unbeatable. Hmm.. What about SEGA? They get to make their old-school retro ports for all three consoles. Not a bad deal.

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  7. The Real "Winner" of E3 by ndansmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real winnders of E3 are the hotels, restaurants, cabs, and various other services which profit from this influx of money annually.

    1. Re:The Real "Winner" of E3 by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

      And the millions of gamers, clearly. :)

    2. Re:The Real "Winner" of E3 by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 1

      And the loosers were the non-techie locals stuck with major backups on the 10, 110, 5, and 405 all farking day long while the E3 was in progress.

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    3. Re:The Real "Winner" of E3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sixty fucking dollars to park across the street from the convention center, indeed.

    4. Re:The Real "Winner" of E3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the hookers. Lonely programmers need to score in more than just games.

  8. STALKER by dave-tx · · Score: 0
    Shame about STALKER. I don't buy a lot of games, but this is one that I was really looking forward to, at least based on rumors.

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  9. Well said GamersInfo.net! by p1ut0nium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This feller has it pegged. I weep for the state of the industry. Enough with the megagames which are all clones of one another...Enough of the CEOs being the ones who make all the money and all the game design decisions and have no clue what makes a truely fun and original game.

    I believe I will be leaving the industry soon as a wage slave and starting my own budget company with a few friends cuz I'm just tired of all the "South Hall Mafia" crap.

    1. Re:Well said GamersInfo.net! by Ophelea · · Score: 1
      I may be biased as he's my staffer but after walking that show floor for 8-10 hours for 3 days straight I'd had enough of the sound and lights and not hearing a single game.

      What exactly DOES MEO sound like? I couldn't tell with the heavy metal music from DDO blasting behind me. And that was in a private booth in the West Hall.

      Stargate looked interesting...did it HAVE sound?

      The glare on PSP games was so bad at times I gave up even trying to demo them...

      And yet I should review it??

    2. Re:Well said GamersInfo.net! by CorVur · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I would add the west hall to the list...

      The state of the industry right now not just E3 is promoting all these cookie cutter games, but to some extent the players are demanding these games while the CEO may not have a good grasp always of what players what but to some extent the players are responsible if we didn't buy the cookie cutter games then the CEO wouldn't make money off them and they wouldn't make them.

      While I would love to say all the fault lies with the Game Makers and the Media, we as the Consumer have to take some of the responsibility for the lack of innovation in the industry.

  10. G4 by Tritonblue · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, I found G4's "coverage" as vacuous and totally preposterous as anything I've ever seen on TV. And my god, have I watched some bad tv in my day. Superior coverage of an LA trade show may have been readily produced by a blind man in Brazil. Underwater. In a haunted volcano. I call for regime change of G4's hosts. Smarmy, thirteen-pound ignorant gentlemen don't cut it for me.

  11. Microsoft failed ... by stylee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to get as much buzz as I think they wanted to out of E3. They are only 5 months away from the Xbox 360 launch and this is the main show they had to show it off and generate hype. They did get a lot of hype but I think they were hoping to have such a strong showing that people would already have made up their minds which next-gen console they really wanted. Sony and Nintendo did a good job of showing just enough that most people I know are taking a wait and see attitude towards the next-gen consoles. I think that where MS failed was that while the next gen games for their system are impressive there were too few of them and none of them seemed like must have games, for my tastes at least.

    Sony released their specs and showed pre-rendered game footage. The overall consensus I felt about the the PS3 was a desire to see what it can really do in actual gameplay, since it is supposed to be so much more powerful than anything else.

    Nintendo was a real tease and it drives me nuts. The idea behind the Revolution seems solid but there is absolutely no way to tell how well it has been executed. I am not worried about their specs , I think the Revolution will be comparable to Xbox 360 at least. My main problem with the Revolution was, where are the games? I would have liked to have seen at least something like Sony's pre-rendered stuff for Revolution games. Nintendo is playing this so close to the vest that they may end up putting people off.

    Right now, I get the feeling people are taking a wait and see attitude. If Sony and/or Nintendo deliver on the hope people have for their consoles then 360 could be in trouble. However, if Sony and Nintendo under-deliver or even wait too long to give more details then the Xbox 360 will probably have a huge holiday season.

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    1. Re:Microsoft failed ... by tjhorne · · Score: 0, Troll

      Anyone read this article? Seems IGN thinks the 360 will be a superior gaming machine. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

    2. Re:Microsoft failed ... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you miss the first part where it says that it was copied pretty much verbatim from a press release MS sent them? Then again...I don't trust either sides' numbers...show me the games!

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  12. Best RPG Coverage... by lunarscape · · Score: 2, Informative

    I play mostly RPGs, so I thought RPGamer.com's coverage of E3 was outstanding for a site that only covers RPGs (though they also covered console news during E3).

  13. Xbox 360 on G5s by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was fascinated to learn that Microsoft used actual Apple G5s to represent what the Xbox 360 will be capable of when it's actually working. It's one thing to ship G5s to your developers for use as compile targets for your Xbox IDE; I think it's another to use the box as the working machine for a demo presentation at E3, of all places. For G5s to be used in that venue, they have to be both fast and stable platforms for your code.

    In short, that makes it I think more likely that we'll get Xbox games on the G5 if Microsoft has any desire to ship that. Still an admittedly slim chance, but it's warming to know that these actually run game code full speed.

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    1. Re:Xbox 360 on G5s by CDLewis · · Score: 1

      it's warming to know that these actually run game code full speed

      Full speed? I was under the impression (as are most media outlets) that the G5 'alpha kits' seen at the show are nowhere near able to run Xbox 360 game code at full speed.

    2. Re:Xbox 360 on G5s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention that they were running on two G5s, not one.

    3. Re:Xbox 360 on G5s by torpor · · Score: 2, Funny

      one cool aspect of this trade-show demo is that there is now, finally, an appropriate answer to the PC-cult 'no games on Mac' claim .. not only are there games on Mac, but Microsoft is developing those games on Mac first, then porting them to XBox360 .. so, STFU, game-nerds.

      Mac roolz, you drool!

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    4. Re:Xbox 360 on G5s by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      "but Microsoft is developing those games on Mac first, then porting them to XBox360"

      Using a similar hardware platform as a development environment is a standard practice and in NO way means that the games will see the light of day on the dev platform (in this case the Mac).
      What the hell does it matter if the games are developed on a Mac if they are released for Xbox 360? And this isn't a case of PORTING either. Development does not equal porting. The Mac makes sense as a PowerPC development platform for PowerPC based consoles. Afterall a G5 is not going to have the custom hardware the 360 has, and no way in hell that Mac mini Radeon 9200 is going to run the graphics - even though both are ATI video cards.
      You might be interested to know that this isn't the first time Apple computers have been used as console development machines. The Apple IIgs was used as the dev platform for the Super Nintendo, because both used the 65816 processor. And exactly how many of those games were published on the IIgs?
      I'm hoping your post was an attempt at sarcasm or something. If you were serious you have an astoundingly goofy logic process.

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  14. GamersInfo.net @ E3 2005 by DemiUrgoss · · Score: 1

    While your at GamersInfo.net, check out the other articles and reviews that have been put up about E3.

    Especially the Game reviews.

    They can be found at http://www.gamersinfo.net/e3/

  15. I think Tycho said it better. by AzraelKans · · Score: 3, Informative

    Curious but now the obligatory penny arcade reference goes to the written part

    G4 coverage would have been great... if it wasnt such a huge infomercial for sony.

    First sony tried to convince the audience you were seing a realtime demo in "killzone 2" after that they tried to convince everyone they were showing "real gameplay" sorry sony rep but how can you exactly control a character if the camera is jumping all over the place? also where the heck is the hud? But more important if Killzone 2 is so goddamn impressive then why the heck did they even bothered to show the u3 realtime demo?

    Also why the u3 engine team even bothered to expend 5 years creating the engine for PC if it took 2 months with the SDK for the Killzone team (the fucking killzone team no less) 2 months with the ps3 sdk, to create a demo that goes beyond any other game ever created in terms of realism and complexity?

    Sony has been awarded with the Now Thats Bull! award by IGN, Penny-Arcade and even Gamespot.

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    1. Re:I think Tycho said it better. by snorklewacker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Of all things to show off ... Killzone. Perhaps they can add a tagline to Killzone 2 of something like "Now with actual gameplay!".

      I played Killzone in the playstation store at the Metreon. Basically, you have a lane like a trench or a path that you're forced to go down, while enemies parade in front of you or come at you and you shoot them down. It's like one of those arcade shooters with the lightgun .. basically you sit there and shoot targets, and occasionally a scene plays where you're told to move to the next area or defend the next objective.

      It's actually fairly realistic ... for WWI-style trench warfare.

      I don't trust Sony's claims either, but I do trust them to deliver a good-enough gaming system with truckloads of games, about half of which will be shovelware, but the remaining half will still swamp competing systems in terms of variety. So yes, I'll probably take the PS3 over the XBox360 unless the 360 can really dazzle me with its lineup.

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    2. Re:I think Tycho said it better. by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is what happens at every E3 with console releases. And yet everyone still puts down the Revolution and Nintendo because they didn't spout off crazy numbers and show pre-rendered FMV... when will people learn?

      OK on one hand you have two companies generating hype on unfinished products, most of which will never come true or be restricted in some way and on the other we have the honest approach where things are still being worked on and final numbers and gameplay is not available. So at the end of the day you still know absolutely NOTHING, they make you think you do... but you don't. I've been to my share of E3's and I will never again because it is always the case, then rinse and repeat. Give me a break. Nothing will change:

      * MS will create a few new franchise titles, rehash Halo a couple times, feature sports titles and Live and tie in the Xbox to sell other MS services and their MCE software.

      * Sony will continue to create endless sequels of their main titles with no gameplay improvements just graphics and tie in the PSP and Sony only media devices with a few must have exclusives

      * Nintendo will produce a sleek console at a low pricepoint, create new titles based on old favorites with new gameplay elements, bring unique control schemes into some of their games, still be labled as "kiddy" even if it isn't true and sell steadily.

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    3. Re:I think Tycho said it better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another angry Nintendo fan... So sad :(

  16. IGN's coverage of E3 by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

    I bought a quarterly IGN account just for E3 and I was pretty dissapointed of their coverage this year... I watched most of the stuff for free off Gamespot long before it was posted to IGN, although it was nice to see some of the stuff in high res. I hope they enjoyed my $8, cause they won't be seeing it again...

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    1. Re:IGN's coverage of E3 by Neophytus · · Score: 1

      Shoulda plumped up for gamespot instead, their rolling E3 live coverage was fantastic.

  17. Re:MORGAN WEBB == TEH UZD UP HAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, Morgan looks like a man. Tina's pretty hot and so was Ronilyn Riley before they fired her :(

  18. Best, Worst, Etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Netjak's got their Best of Show, Worst of Show, and Biggest Surprises up, too.

  19. Re:Enough with the PS3 prerendered crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got friends at EA. Only the Fight Night Round 3 crew has their dev kits.

  20. Funniest E3 Coverage... by iridium_ionizer · · Score: 1

    Gamespot's coverage of the crap section of E3 was hilarious. Mainly slightly blurry digital photographs with milk-through-nose-spewingly funny captions below them. Either this is really funny or I am really tired.

  21. The Loosers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The loosers are the ones who can't spell "losers" correctly. Loose is why your pants fall down. Lose is when you've lost something.

    Shit, people... it's not that hard.