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Decriminalizing File Swapping

IAmTheDave writes "Wired reports that judicial activism is taking hold in France, much to the dismay of the recording industry, as judges are beginning to suspend the sentences of convicted file swappers. Further, they believe they are starting a revolution against the draconian laws at the base of the industry's legal agenda, and that sometimes laws need to be changed. Says Judge Dominique Barella of the laws against file swapping in today's society: 'It is similar to the sociological consequences of the Prohibition period in the U.S. (during the 1920s). Certain laws can have unexpected consequences on society.'"

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  1. Prohibition period by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'It is similar to the sociological consequences of the Prohibition period in the U.S. (during the 1920s).

    The prohibition period in the US continues to this day. Marijuana, LSD, opiates, and a host of other substances less harmful than alcohol remain prohibited. It's just that the propaganda is better this time around.

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  2. Fair use by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a sense that matches up with the "fair use" notion in the US. Swapping a few songs with your friends hardly seems criminal, or at least trivial.

    Pulling tens of thousands of files from other file-trading networks and then making them available for free to people anywhere in the world, that hardly sounds like "fair use". It's too bad the the technologies that enable the fair use case also enable the more clearly criminal case.

    1. Re:Fair use by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's too bad the the technologies that enable the fair use case also enable the more clearly criminal case.

      No it's not. It's only too bad that people use said technology for criminal purposes. Don't blame the tech. It's supposed to be how we use it. And in the case of IP law, like prohibition, the criminal is not so easily defined.

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    2. Re:Fair use by steve_bryan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What we have here is a two way slippery slope. Mathematically it is hard to envision but the idea is that we get an unstable condition in both directions. The draconian remedies favored by the recording industry were originally designed to handle cases of commercial copyright infringement. They make more sense in that setting. Allowing its unfettered use in non-commercial cases is a solution that might be worse than the problem.

      On the other hand if the court adopts a hands off stance toward personal, non-commercial copyright infringement, the relentless advances of technology could make the production of digital entertainment significantly less profitable. One of the ideas of copyright law is to encourage the activities of production even as it inhibits more widescale consumption.

      The judgment one has to make is which alternative is more potentially damaging to society. I think that even in a society where non-commercial file swapping is completely unchecked, the majority will still choose to purchase what they want. But I could certainly be wrong about that. I just think it is lesser risk than allowing powerful entrenched interests an effective veto power over the development of new technology.

      To understand how this could be more significant than how people choose to access silly popular entertainment consider the implications for technical competition between societies. Since my undergrad days at Caltech I became aware that the very expensive texts that we used could be purchased for a fraction of the price we paid in many places in Asia including India and China. If we continue to choose the draconian path while other countries assume a more permissive stance, that would (has) set up an experiment between the U.S. and, for instance, China. I'm uncomfortable with the possible result of that sort of experiment.

    3. Re:Fair use by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "could make the production of digital entertainment significantly less profitable"
      Well, I fail to understand why musicians and film actors must all necessarily become multi-billionaires. The entertainment industry currently is a rip-off industry. At some point the pendulum is bound to swing back.

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  3. Re:viva la france by bfree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect the second you make a cent directly or indirectly from your trade it would no longer be regarded as personal use.

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  4. Amnesty by stuffduff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I don't mind cutting out the middleman, I think this stinks for the artist. Let the artists set up their own websites and accept a payment equivalent to their royalty. Let's kick out the guys that say who will and will not release music. There's an explosion of new music out there, some of which we may not appreciate, that is just waiting for the opportunity to get listened to. Let's break up the whole cartel, the RIAA, the radio stations and anything else that stands in the way of the freedom of musical expression, which ought to be covered in the 1st amendment.

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  5. Why should laws be changed? by antispam_ben · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The laws concerning copyright of written text weren't changed when the Xerox ocopy machine became available. Should copyright laws on music recordings be changed just because it's so easy to store, copy and "share" such recordings? I don't see any argument other than "I want my free [commercial] music" and that's not a good enough reason.

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    1. Re:Why should laws be changed? by DingerX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should laws be changed?
      Because property is a social construct. There is no inherent characteristic in anything I own that makes it mine; what makes it mine is that we as a society commonly agree it is mine, and the laws generally follow that common agreement.

      Intellectual Property is particularly nebulous since we're defining something without physical being (a series of ideas) as being property -- that is, we're assigning a notional value to a notion.

      That's all well and good, but when what do we do when a major sector of the society doesn't agree with the attribution of such a notional value to a specific form of that notion?
      For example, a law could state that all sports cars belong to me. That'd be good and legal, but the sports car owners would think differently. Why should the law be changed?

      At heart, the problem is that this particular construction of property collides with millennia of human practice. Heck, even the old copyright law only makes sense for a few centuries of human existence. Add in that, in the case of music, we've got an industry built around oligopolic vertical domination of the industry -- from artists to mass dissemination to retail, and and new technology has basically destroyed the dominant position of the old guard. And no elite is more vehement than one that's being supplanted.
      So why should they have the privileged voice in law?

    2. Re:Why should laws be changed? by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it depends.

      Before the internet, large scale copyright infringment was impractical unless the person copying was making a profit. Hence there are a lot of laws on the books that are intended to deal with commercial infringement rather than file sharing. However, the record industry brings suits under these laws.

      Since these laws were clearly not intended to cover not-for-profit file sharing, should the judge interpret them by the letter of the law, or consider the intent of the law?

  6. question by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a true capitalist society would patents & copyrights even exist ? I don't believe so, they're incompatible with that philosophy. The whole bitch & moan routine by mpaa/riaa/copyright holders/etc sounds like sourgrapes to me.

  7. go france! by rayde · · Score: 5, Insightful
    is it time for me to throw out my bag of freedom fries yet? ;-)

    seriously though, i think it's refreshing to hear people in authority looking at the situation from this perspective instead of blindly following.

    change always has to start somewhere, at some level.

  8. the point of my sig for the last 2 years by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's even more insane to criminalize file swapping than it is to criminalize drug use. Catching file swappers basically requires the violation of either the 4th ammendment or the first.

    At one point in time the freedom to copy was so unimportant to the average person that the trading away that freedom in the hopes of some greater social benefit made sense. Now things have changed, and it's time to re-evaluate how the social benefit might be achieved without trading away an important and easily exercised freedom.

  9. Re:So... by pthor1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even still, downloading someone's song to your hard drive and listening too it doesn't really fall under fair use. It is being copied in its entirety, you aren't using it for satirical or education purpose. The only thing going for you is the fact that you aren't making money off of listening to it.

  10. Re:So... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's fine for them to protect their content but it's also fine for citizens of the United States to practice fair-use. There has to be a balance whether the music industry likes it or not.

    Very true. There has to be a balance. Currently, the balance is in favor of file swappers, via ever more inventive technology. The music industry is trying (and failing) to restrict that through various DRM schemes and lawsuits.

    Overly restrictive DRM goes against fair use. And so does wholesale file swapping with everyone online. A sustainable balance means both sides are going to have to give a little.

  11. File Swapping is not a crime! by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    as judges release convicted fileswappers with suspended sentences associated with otherwise draconian penalties stipulated by copyright law. [emphasis added]

    File swapping is not a crime! Copyright infringement is. We wouldn't call someone who downloaded child pornography a "convicted web-surfer"

    I suppose I'm rehashing the tired hacker/cracker terminology argument, but terminology does matter. Public opinion shapes public policy, and ultimately creates laws. Even though their are legitimate uses for file sharing programs, we may find them made illegal simply because they were publicly associated with copyright infringement. Nevermind the fact that web browsers facilitate more copyright infringement than filesharing programs - it's the public perception that matters.

    I'm a file swapper too. But that doesn't mean I'm guilty of copyright infringement.

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  12. Lowers respect for property and law by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm really not seeing how you can see the analogy as anything other than ridiculous, unless you think that a ban on file swapping is leading today's teens to hard drugs.

    In a way it does. The more you are told that something that seems obviously "OK" is illegal, the more you start to think that perhaps OTHER laws are silly as well.

    The more laws you stack up that the majortiy of the populace simply do not follow (speeding, P2P, etc) the more people break other laws as well. "In for a penny, in for a pound" as the saying goes.

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    1. Re:Lowers respect for property and law by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It really made me laugh that this comes from France, remembering a couple of years back when France was bashed by an almost unison /. and now all of a sudden they are the heroes.
      Yeah, isn't it great that Slashdotters judge people by their actions instead of forming a prejudiced opinion and clinging to it forever?
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    2. Re:Lowers respect for property and law by Harinezumi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing breeds greater contempt for the rule of law than punishment without crime and crime without punishment.

  13. Re:prohibition by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't like his translation. Here's mine.

    "National prohibition of file swapping (1999-)--the "noble experiment" -- was undertaken to make earning a living easier for artists, increase the feasibility of living upon one's art, and improve well-being in America by enhancing trade. The results of that experiment clearly indicate that it was a miserable failure on all counts. The evidence affirms sound economic theory, which predicts that prohibition of mutually beneficial exchanges is doomed to failure

    The lessons of Prohibition remain important today. They apply not only to the debate over the war on file swapping but also to the mounting efforts to drastically reduce access to file swapping and to such issues as censorship and bans on insider trading, abortion, and gambling.

    Although consumption of illegal music fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Files became more filled with bugs and spyware; crime increased and became "organized"; the court and prison systems found it infeasible to even prosecute; and corruption of public officials was rampant. No measurable gains were made in art quality or artists' standard of living. Prohibition removed a significant source of tax revenue and greatly increased government spending. It led many listeners to switch to Brittney Spears, Ashlee Simpson, NSYNC, The Backstreet Boys and other dangerously stupid artists that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Copyright law. Those results are documented from a variety of sources, most of which, ironically, are the work of supporters of Copyright Law--most economists and social scientists supported it. Their findings make the case against Copyright Law that much stronger."


    I agree that this argument, as a snippet, is still a little lacking. However, the fundamental problems originally addressed by copyright protection as well as patent protection are no longer handled by said laws.

  14. Re:So... by lucas_picador · · Score: 5, Insightful
    To paraphrase Eben Moglen: when it costs the same to give everyone on Earth a copy of a given piece of information as it does to make a single copy, it is immoral to withhold that information from anyone.

    Information is the lifeblood of democracy. Art is the lifeblood of culture. They are as essential to functional human society as food is to bodily survival; just as we would find it immoral to withhold food from anyone if food were freely replicable and distributable (the farmers' business plans notwithstanding), we should find it equally immoral to withhold information from anyone now that our technological environment makes information freely replicable and distributable.

    I'm surprised by how infrequently I see this argument articulated, even among free-culture types.

  15. Re:So... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yep, with draconian laws like the DMCA in place, people being sued through quasi-legal methods by the **AA, and DRM that is increasinly becoming more restrictive (and in many cases denying the consumer the right of fair use,)

    Is any of that stuff working? Have any of their idiotic DRM schemes not been circumvented? Has file swapping ceased and I didn't notice?

  16. Re:Copyright isn't about protecting tangible goods by Black+Pete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...what you are doing is taking away their legal right to profit from the work they own the rights to

    Careful there. You do not have the right to profit. You do have the right to attempt to profit.

    That may seem like a minor distinction, but it's actually a huge one. Confusing the two will only muddy the copyright water even further, which nobody needs.