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Mouse Uses RFID Instead of Batteries

ValourX writes "NewsForge (part of OSTG, like Slashdot) has a review of a mouse that is powered by RFID (and yes, it works with Linux). It's cordless and uses no batteries -- you just have to keep the mouse within 2 inches of the mousepad for it to work. What else could be powered by RFID?"

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  1. s/RFID/Induction by fatboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    s/RFID/Induction

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  2. More Like: Inductive Coupling by richardoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The statement that the mouse is powered by RFID is a bit of a misnomer. It may be RF that transmits the mouse movement, but it is actually Inductive Coupling. The mouse pad has a coil that transfers power to a coil in the mouse using magnetic flux. This transfer of power is limited to short distances. Passive RFID uses radio frequency to transmit the power to the tag and relay the information back to the "server". I think that using inductive coupling for Mouse power is a great idea! Anything to reduce consumption of batteries that wind up in a landfill.

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    1. Re:More Like: Inductive Coupling by david.given · · Score: 4, Informative
      ...but more power wasted by beaming it into the air across a 6"x8" area.

      No power is wasted. This is actually an induction antenna; think of it as a transformer where one coil is in the mouse pad and the other is in the mouse. If there's nothing to pick up the power, no current flows (or at least, very little). The technique is used all over the place.

      The only thing I'm wondering about is what happens about stray bits of metal placed on the mouse mat. If you're not careful, power will get transmitted to them; not only does this waste energy, it can be potentially dangerous... you wouldn't want to discover your wedding ring getting hot after using the mouse for a short while...

    2. Re:More Like: Inductive Coupling by Saeger · · Score: 5, Funny
      you wouldn't want to discover your wedding ring getting hot after using the mouse for a short while...

      No worries. As usual, they won't sell these mice to the left-handed heathens.

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    3. Re:More Like: Inductive Coupling by enginuitor · · Score: 5, Funny
      "It allows me to mouse with my left hand while taking written notes with the right"
      "Taking notes"... exactly...
  3. Wireless? lol by eyeye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you have to keep it within 2 inches of the mat, and where does the mat get its power from? It either has batteries or is cabled.

    I'll stick with my real wireless mouse thanks very much, no batteries just charge it once a week (or when I remember to put it back in its cradle).

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    1. Re:Wireless? lol by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

      no batteries just charge it once a week

      And, since there's no battery, you're charging... magical gnomes? ;-)

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    2. Re:Wireless? lol by Forthan+Red · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is actually a step backwards. Optical mouses freed us from having to use a mousepad. Now we not only have to use a mousepad again, we have to have it plugged in.

      No thanks, I'll stick with an truly wireless mouse.

    3. Re:Wireless? lol by Stibidor · · Score: 4, Insightful


      You are absolutely right. The pad is wired (and thusly powered), which does still tether you to the computer. And although the OP is mildly misleading, the point of this device is that the actual mouse does not have any wires attached to it.

      To most people, the advantage of a wireless mouse is the freedom to move the mouse without worrying about what the cord is going to get snagged on. This gives users that freedom without requiring them ever to replace/recharge their batteries.

    4. Re:Wireless? lol by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sure it has nutritional value. That's why dust mites eat it.

      http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/video/mite.html

  4. Wacom? by atrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, whats the difference between this and a wacom tablet, besides the fact that wacoms are generaly superior? If you've never tried photoshop/other graphics app with a wacom, you're missing out.

    1. Re:Wacom? by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 3, Informative

      I never use the Wacom mouse because it requires you to only have the mouse on the pad. My current tethered mouse ranges all over a 2-foot-square area on my desk, depending on my posture, activity, and current clutter level. I think I'd hate this "RFID" mouse as well.

    2. Re:Wacom? by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This one costs $20?

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    3. Re:Wacom? by IpalindromeI · · Score: 3, Funny

      My Wacom mouse pad is about 18" x 18". That's pretty close to your 2'x2' square.

      Actually it's not that close. An 18"x18" square has only 56% of the surface area that a 24"x24" square has. Thanks for playing, though. There are some lovely parting gifts on the way out.

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  5. What else? by baryon351 · · Score: 4, Funny

    > What else could be powered by RFID?

    Paranoia.

    1. Re:What else? by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Funny

      > What else could be powered by RFID?

      The mousepad.

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  6. You're kidding, right? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Informative

    One, it's not RFID. RFID is a means of identifying things, that happens to use the RF from the detector as a power source. You can use RF as a power source without it being RFID.

    Two, bateryless cordless mice are old news. I've got a Graphire 2 next to me that's done that thing for three or four years.

  7. What else can be powered? by Kipsaysso · · Score: 3, Funny

    1984

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  8. Been done before by stevenm86 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here is a link to the Cheap Mod, courtesy of Afrotech: http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold pad.htm

  9. Re:Ummm.... by Mishra100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't see what you are saying... There is a usb cable that goes to the mouse pad that powers the pad... The pad then transfers power to the mouse through a coil and thus you have a cordless mouse. I personally think it is cool because it is a cheap mouse without a cord... I hate batteries and weight, thus the reason I would never buy a real cordless mouse.

  10. From the article by sunhou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The mouse pad cannot be operated on any metal surface. Since the warnings about this are printed on the box, in the manual, and on the mouse pad itself, I figured it was in my best interest to avoid finding out why metal and power-over-RFID don't mesh.

    Well there's a sentence that sure didn't end the way I wanted it to... Where's his sense of adventure?

  11. Difference between this and digitzer pad... by toybuilder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is that the mouse is responsible for position information, not the pad... Which is nice in some ways, because you mouse motion in real-world use doesn't always map nicely to the digitizing pad's cartesian grid.

    If your entire desk's surface was one big induction loop, this would allow you to have this mouse work over the whole of your desk (assuming there's enough power coupling). Beware the magnetic media, though! :)

  12. Re:Ummm.... by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

    So...the mouse isn't battery powered, but the mousepad is?

    FTFA: "The NB-50 mouse pad does have a cord, and it connects to the computer via USB."

    This is for people who don't want a wire on the part that moves, but don't mind having a wire on the part that stays put.

    I know I don't tangle up my keyboard's wire nearly as often as I do the mouse wire, but I got an optical mouse partly because I don't like to be restricted in the area on which I can move said mouse. I do tasks that are conductive to large mouse movements, precise dragging and whatnot, so this isn't for me. Still cool, though.

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  13. Re:Corded mouse pad by TheBurrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can buy a bluetooth wireless mouse and run all over the place with it without worrying about bringing your receiver along.
    This seems like it's just a really, really nice idea for desktops, where my MX700 needs to be cradled every night and still occasionally runs out of juice at just the wrong time.

  14. Way back when, or something old something new by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back in the day the KGB beamed microwaves at the US embassy to power bugs for spying.
    The simplest bug I know of is antenna, half wave rectifier, carbon microphone. As the load varies (carbon mike changes resistance with sound pressure) the amplitude of a harmonic is modulated and radiated by the same antenna.

  15. Optical Mice with Pad by ebooher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've seen a couple posts where people have said "Hey, the first optical mouse let me throw away the pad." and have just got to drop a quick note here.

    I have several optical mice that *need* their pad, as it has a grid for the optics to read as you draw the mouse across it. So it took them awhile to figure out how to get the optical mouse to work with no pad. Just as it will take them awhile to figure out how to give the entire population of the Earth cancer by using Inductive style power beamed from satellites to power those mice.

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  16. These have been around for a long time by typical · · Score: 5, Informative

    (a) This has nothing to do with RFID, as the parent stated.

    (b) Mice powered by induction from a special mousepad (or top-of-the-mousepad) have been around for a very long time. Presumably these didn't catch on for the same reason that optical mice that required a mousepad with a grid didn't catch on -- people don't like being forced to have a particular mousepad.

    (c) Tesla owns your ass, mouse-people -- he powered lamps with remotely transmitted power twenty-five miles away.

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