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New TLDs - Is There Any Real Benefit?
pigdawg writes "What is the purpose? What is the real benefit of new top level domains like .travel, .biz and .xxx? I don't believe these new TLDs will free up more names in .com or .org. Do they really think that orbitz.com will exchange their domain name to become orbitz.travel? Is the mostfrequenttypo.com porn site going to go legit and register under some new .xxx name? Again and again I keep coming to the same conclusion: given that many people/companies register their name in every TLD, it's all about generating more revenue for the registrars. What are your opinions on this subject?"
How can you say that?
That's how we'll know where to find the pr0n!!
...but heck, 'enforce' is a dirty word on the internet.
Yes, it is all about generating more revenue for registrars. No, the bulk of real sites will not abandon .com or .org or whatever.
At best, there will be a few fairly well known sites in the TLD, and a significant chunk of duplication between name.com and name.whatever
I'm unsure what infirmity of mind would cause one to genuinely believe otherwise.
Definantly part of the idea was to up revenue , but they also did it to give people more options as to the domain name . .xxx , but it gives the big names ,well the more honest the chance .
,but it would be nice if they could use that revenue to sort out many of the problems within the organisations
I dont really see all the scum sites (not that all porn is scum , only the typo sites etc) moving off to the
I dont think there is anything wrong with them trying to drum up revenu
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Where/when can I register a .xxx domain name?
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:rkpOJtkoNZsJ: www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3675.txt+&hl=en&client=netscap e-pp
Now we have have whitehouse.com,.net,.org,.gov,.xxx,and .biz
8th grade children will never be able to find the real whitehouse website!
It's all about generating more revenue for the registrars.
BINGO! It's almost always about generating more revenue, just follow the money. Don't forget that ICANN gets a percentage of every new domain that is registered. This is their effort to raise more funds by FORCING companies to register more domains to protect their web identity (something public companies are legally obligated to do by contract with stockholders)
Nothing is gained by having many TLD (top level domains). The purpose of a TLD was to denote what registry to look in as a last resort when looking up a domain name that was otherwise not cached in any of the DNS servers querried.
.earth appended after the country codes, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that.
Way Back When, When The Net Was Small, TLDs were used to distribute the load among the registries. With the advance of technology, there really isn't any functional reason to do so now.
In the mean time, the registry has been used like an index. Rather than look something up first, a person (machines don't care about DNS, just IP addresses) will type in a likely domain name and hope for the best. It is only after failure that they will go to the indexes like Yahoo and Google and look there for the address just like they would look in the phone book.
With the political forces already having created the country TLDs, there is no point at all to having, as you put it, "90's style suffixes appended to internet names".
What is surprising is the number of otherwise smart people who cannot grasp this. Since the DNS system is already difficult for humans to use by itself (eg. coke.com or coke.net or coke.int or coke.org or coke.ny.ny.us) because they are trying to use it like an index rather than a registry, they then advocate adding yet more TLDs. Yet it is the very use of TLDs that has confused the difference between an index and a registry in their minds in the first place, as well as caused the shell-game problem of which TLD to look under first.
Nothing I'm saying in any way reflects on the usefulness of the hierarchical system that is DNS. It is VERY useful to be able to separate www.whatever.the.heck from mx.whatever.the.heck from www.go.to.heck, etc.etc.etc.heck
The issue is TLDs, and TLDs have outlived their usefulness. At some point in the future, there will be a
Bob-
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Yes, it's true; many companies *do* register every version of their business name they can think of. So what does ABC laundry service do when ABC widgets already has .com, .net and .org? They register .biz or .us. What about ABC travel? They go for .travel. It's not just about freeing up .com and .net domains. It's about more choice as well.
Yes, I'm certain it will generate more revenue from the many companies who are die-hard brand protectors out there. But there *is* another aspect of this that is beneficial: Those individuals and organizations who didn't jump on the bandwagon quick enough now have other options. And personally, I think that's a good thing. :-)
I'm not sure what benefit there is in establishing new TLDs. Honestly, I think that the new TLDs, and most of dubious ccTLDs (.sc, .ws, .cx, .cc) are pointless because a domain name that doesn't end in .com, .net, or .org doesn't have much in the way of perceived credibility. ... but that's mostly because I think that any domain name like "foo.info" or "bar.fm" just sounds cheesy. I especially despise the ".biz" TLD because it's just so damned tacky. Imagine "generalmotors.biz" or "phillipmorris.biz". No way.
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The .biz TLD has given me an excellent spam heuristic. That alone makes it worthwhile, surely?
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As others have mention, 'big' businesses will just buy up the new TLD's for their existing domain name, but businesses are not the only proprietors of domain names. For the Average Joe who just wants his own personal space to blog or whatever, having a variety of TLD's to choose from means he can have a shorter, one-word domain name instead of reallyreallylongdomainname.com. However that said, there are already a pretty sizeable number of TLD's to choose from.
Out of personal preference, I don't like these longer TLD's like .travel because they're too long. When it comes to domain names, shorter is better.
Perhaps you should read my post again. I didn't say anything about what anyone *should* do. I said "Oh, look: those individuals and organizations who missed their chance now have another one." This is bad because...?
They're a clue to what the nature of the site is. If it's an .edu you know it's some kind of school. If it's .org it's probably non-profit. If it's .xxx you know it's porno. Same is true for the non-US country codes, .gov, maybe .net.
.com it could be anything but is probably not a school or non-profit and is probably US.
.biz, .info, etc. Those were stupid ideas which were probably just to get more money for the registrars. Who knows how ICANN makes these decisions...
.mov (so that the studios can stop writing www.manoshandsoffatethemovie.com) or .tv or other areas where you have an already-existing bunch of names .. Maybe .lit and .mus for books and music? Anything else?
If you see a
There is absolutely no reason for
I'd like to see
Why cant we just type 'yahoo' and 'google'? Many companies will register (eg mysql.org and mysql.com) multiple TLDs to cover their names online, but they wont have to...
.com. Go ahead and register org and net, people will forget and type .com first to get to your site.
Most people just use
They can sell top level domains except 2-character top-level domains which should remain as country TLDs and the likes...
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While it won't be easier to catch *every* porn site, it'll be easier parental filters to simply block all of .xxx. Again, not a pancea but an improvement.
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I don't understand why anyone would feel it necessary to register in every TLD. The .com name has been established as the top-tier name (unless you're a nonprofit), and I do think people try "fred.com" first. But the second thing people turn to is much more likely to be a search engine or yellow page site or something like that than a random search through fred.net, fred.biz, fred.cc, fred.tv, etc. etc. And in fact this will be more and more true the more TLDs there are.
If you are Kodak and you want to preserve your very strong trademark, I can see how you'd want to preserve your name everywhere. But I think the Kodaks of the world can afford the extremely minor fees of registering in most TLDs. For smaller businesses and organizations and individuals, there is a benefit to having a series of choices when some entity far away happens to have the same name as yours.
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The batter has already been mixed; yet ICANN is still trying to separate the mixture into its separate parts.
It's too late. They've missed the bus. Only suckers will fall for this (they'll still make their money though, so what do they care).
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
If I'm baking cookies, why can't I just register "cookies"? And then become my own registar and sell the .cookies TLD to others?
.com thing in the first place. I mean, I can see the need for a .gov, but everything else? Most people probably don't even bother typing the suffix in anyway, what with browser guessing...
I seriously don't see where there's a technical or sociological merit to the whole
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Tim Berners-Lee and the W3C seems to think they suck.
.mobi domain is harmful for reasons stated in the link above. .xxx is useless because pr0n sites will keep on using other TLDs and CCs. .biz is a ghetto. Can someone explain how a website in .info is more informative than a website in .con? Err... I mean .com?
I tend to agree with them. New TLDs are just a licence to print money. They do not offer new options for domain name holders - everyone with a business or company or product or trademark will just have to go out and get the same permuatations they already own for the existing TLDs and CCs. The name space gets filled up again and people lose out once more. The
Maybe it is just that someone at ICANN is a _big_ fan of Pokemon.
The DNS hierarchy needs a complete overhaul, not more random, money making and/or harmful branches.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, TLDs are stupid. DNS doesn't really give a rats arse about .com, .foo, .etc, whatever. You should be able to register thisismydomain.takeoffeh and it should just simply work.
I've been saying for ages that there should be a .xxx TLD, for the simple reason that you can block it really easily, so kids can be kept safer. .xxx en masse and then all the stupid logic based filtering systems can be slashed back to bare bones ;)
The porn industry is quite organised from what I can see, they could probably be persuaded to move to
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Well, the first thing we are going to do is add a firewall rule to ban all email to and from a .xxx domain and another rule to deny web access.
It may sound strange but our I.T. systems here are designed for work, not surfing porn.
Ed Almos
Budapest, Hungary
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This article proposes the reservation of a special use TLD to allow a more convenient addressing of devices by general physical location or context.
.here domain falls under the context of that particular location. For a similar concept see RFC1918.
.here TLD
.here. does not guarantee locality. Users may inadvertently or intentionally access devices at a different physical location.
.her.) in order to catch typographical errors or unsuspecting users. As .her. and .he. may well become future TLDs, perhaps a less vulnerable name than .here should be used instead. A less elegant alternative is to also reserve the typos, but the Gere's (e.g. Richard) of the world may protest.
.here TLD has already been reserved by a member of the ORSC. So to avoid conflict another TLD may have to be chosen, giving due consideration to the various alternative root zones. It seems that .local or .loc could be used but at risk of confusion with .localhost [RFC2606].
Introduction
As wireless networking and devices become more common there may be a need for a convenient way to address hosts by physical location or context, especially when the users themselves are using mobile or wearable devices.
A step towards this could be by reserving a special public use TLD (.here in the examples). Then this TLD can be independently hosted at various locations, so that each resulting
Example Usage of
As an example a user could obtain a list of registered devices in each particular room or building by visiting https://all.here/ or perhaps just https://here/. Other forms could include https://who.here/ and https://what.here/
Say if the user wishes to control an air conditioner in a room, the user could visit https://airconditioner.here/ for the control page. The user could also "bookmark" popular settings such as https://airconditioner.here/settemp?celsius=25 and use it from room to room (assuming the air conditioners accept the same parameters).
Users of wearable devices could also address and access each other in a similar manner after registering with the location - e.g. https://lyeoh.here/sendobjectform or https://somebody.here/getobject?id=12345
Registration with an area could be done with DHCP [RFC2131] and dynamic DNS.
Various Considerations
Users could get the wrong address depending on how the default domain search is implemented - e.g. xxxx.here first, then xxxx.mydomain.com or vice versa. Also, it should be assumed that parties controlling the physical location could attempt to spoof or subvert communications.
Specifying
Third parties could reserve a similar TLD (e.g.
The
References
[RFC2606] D. Eastlake and A. Panitz, "Reserved Top Level DNS Names", RFC2606, June 1999.
[RFC2131] R. Droms, "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", March 1997.
[RFC1918] Y. Rekhter, B. Moskowitz, D. Karrenberg, G. J. de Groot, E. Lear, "Address Allocation for Private Internets", February 1996.
I am seeing a great potential for a great "web" joke. If you are in charge in an institution that employs content filtering. Block everything but .xxx and see who doesn't complain about the net being down!!
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Pretty much what you say is the truth... .com has the primary mindshare if your going to register a domain you'll want .com first. If thats not available maybe .net or .org. .com is going to come after you and attempt to shut you down for having a similar name.
Lets face it
However its likely that the guy with
Netsol actively encourages you when you put in a name or even go there to check your record to purchase the same name upder all available TLDs...
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If there was enforcement of the Generic TLDs -- that is, if only non-profits could register .org; if only commercial enterprises (no fitting in any other category) could register .com; if only network service providers could register .net; if only search engines and brand-agnostic reference sites could register .info; if only porno sites could register .xxx -- such as there is with .gov, .edu, and .mil, then TLDs would actually have meaning.
.name suffix is for individuals' personal websites, but I'd prefer to see a .me extension. :-)
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xxx makes sense.. it raises money - but it makes sense..
.xxx site...
.com site showing pornography.
All you'd then need to do is get every adult site using a dot com to have their parental guidance warning page and links to their
Take down any
Then parent can actually effectively protect their children. Work places can effectively block porn from work connections.
the rest - aren't really good enough