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NASA Discovers Space Spies From the 60's

Saeed al-Sahaf writes "In a room forgotten for more than thirty years at NASA's Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida, NASA recently found suits for space spies. Originally thought to be Gemini suits, the manufacturer determined that they were suits from a short-lived Cold War-era military program to put a manned reconnaissance station in space. Begun in 1964, the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program was an Air Force initiative that would have sent Air Force astronauts to a space station in a Gemini capsule. After spending a few weeks in orbit, the crew would undock and return to Earth. An interesting blast from the past."

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  1. Nasa is just telling you this... by flag+burning · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because they don't want you to know what they really found.

  2. Lawyer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quoth TFA:

    The spacesuit with identifying number 008 had the name "LAWYER" on the left sleeve. The suit was traced to Lt. Col. Richard E. Lawyer, a member of the first group recruited to be MOL astronauts in 1965. Records show that official ownership of this suit was transferred by NASA to the Smithsonian Institution in 1983. The suit itself has now been returned to the Smithsonian.

    I thought the idea was to send lawyers in space WITHOUT environmental gear, sillies.

    1. Re:Lawyer? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone hates lawyers, until they need one.

      When you've been falsely accused of a crime or illegal tactics are used against you, you'll gain a new appreciation for lawyers.

      LK

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  3. Ah the bygone days of paranoia by Red+Moose · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's so quaint to see the evidence of paranoia and insecurity from back in the 1960s. Glad to be around in the 2000s.

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    1. Re:Ah the bygone days of paranoia by craXORjack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes we were so silly back then with our fears of global thermonuclear war. But back then we didn't have terrorists blowing themselves up because they hate freedom or UN inspectards not being able to uncover massive WMD programs that we all know are there. And to top it off now we have to worry about judges legislating us into marrying partners of the same sex! I think we are just too busy with real problems nowadays to be paranoid.

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  4. Wow... the 1960's.. by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's..

    They were really advanced.. and we're lame - we just have Internets.

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    1. Re:Wow... the 1960's.. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's.. They were really advanced..

      There is some truth to this. The US developed *amazing* levels of space technology in the 1960s. Take a look:

      8,000,000 tons from ground zero to anywhere in the Solar System
      Plenty of power for regular Moon trips
      Jets with unlimited range (Okay, the actual design of this one was a little scary. Still, the principles are sound.)
      Complete Space Station in one launch
      118 metric tons to orbit

      Now all of it has been buried and forgotten. Advancement? We've buried our collective heads in the sand. That's why Bush's CEV program actually makes sense. He must have listened to his NASA engineers for a change, because the CEV is a staged program that is predicated on using existing technology to build a space infrastructure. No waiting for someone to invent the Starship Enterprise, we're going NOW. And to do it, we're pulling out many of the bits of technology that we forgot. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited about this program. :-)

    2. Re:Wow... the 1960's.. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I almost forgot my favorite bit of 1960's tech:

      Skin tight Space Suits

      As crazy as it may sound, these suits (correctly named "Space Activity Suits") were designed to actually *expose* the wearer to hard vacuum while still providing life support for the astronaut! This sort of suit would allow astronauts to have the same working freedom in the suit as the freedom enjoy inside the ship! Such a suit could make regular space construction and maintenence possible. It's also safer than regular suits as it is far less susceptible to depressurization. Perfect for environments like Mars where spacesuit damage becomes a major concern!

    3. Re:Wow... the 1960's.. by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but I think of some places on the body where a non-airtight leotard won't work all that well and where 'localized swelling and buising' would be a wee little uncomfortable. Is that a 'localized bruise' or are you just happy to see me?

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  5. Forgotten in a room for 30 years?? by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Holy smokes, they can build spaceships, land men on the moon, but they can't take an inventory? What else do they have laying around?

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  6. Wasn't Paranoia by reallocate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being concerned because your enemies are aiming a few tens of thousand nukes at you is not paranoid.

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    1. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by drsmack1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>The REAL question that should be asked, is why do you have those enemies in the first place. Answer that question and you have solved the problem.

      I think that the USSR was considered an enemy because we were in the way of them accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest. They threatened to nuke us several times if we interfered.

      It was soooo long ago; maybe it didn't happen...

    2. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that the USSR was considered an enemy because we were in the way of them accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest.

      That's funny, because in Soviet Russia, the USA was considered an enemy because the Soviets were in the way of the US accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest.

      We call it things like 'Opening the Markets', 'capitalism', and 'free trade'. It wasn't really 'free market', as much as opening the markets to American business, which would frequently be favored over non-American businesses.

    3. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Put down the bong and pick up a history book, son. The stated goal of the United States during the Cold War included very little about free trade and open markets. But of course, it's not hip these days to acknowledge that, on the whole, the US is a force for human rights, economic progress, and democratization.

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    4. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by bombadillo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Turn off Fox news and put down the viagra,oxycotin ro other pharm drug of your choice.

      But of course, it's not hip these days to acknowledge that, on the whole, the US is a force for human rights, economic progress, and democratization.

      Yeah go tell Central and South America that. Get off your ass , visit other countries around the world. Go see how the other 90% lives.

    5. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by coopex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >That's funny, because in Soviet Russia, the USA was considered an enemy because the Soviets were in the way of the US accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest.

      That explains Kennedy pounding his shoe on the table at the UN as he yelled "We will bury you!". Go learn something about the USSR and its brutal repression of its people before you make invalid comparisons.

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    6. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by typedef · · Score: 3, Informative

      If not for the forces he needed in the West to counter the Allies, Hitler most likely would have taken Moscow. So much, then for the Soviet army. In other words, no American presence in the war, no Soviet presence. Hitler wins.

      While I despise the current trend of attempting to downplay the US's role in World War II, you really should take another look at a timeline of the War in Europe. The German advance on Moscow was halted in mid 1941, and the decisive battle of Stalingrad, which all but ended the German offensive, took place well before the invasion of Italy or the D-Day landings.

    7. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I never said it wasn't a team effort. However, if we acted on what was known and if we weren't providing (albeit minor)economic support to the man, he never would have been a real problem. We(and others)let this happen. We knew what was going on. We knew what he was doing to the Jewish population. We did nothing because it was an "internal" matter. Same thing haapens today. Now because we wasted our credibility in places like Vietnam and Central and South America, and more importantly, the Middle East. we can't go anywhere to help the helpless(like in Cambodia or Rwanda), first because that's never our intention, and second now we look like the invaders that we have become. I really wish we could be the good guys here, but we're not. We just have the slickest propaganda machine in town. And the misery continues. There really are no heroes. Oh, how I miss Camelot. "It's been all downhill since Kennedy died." :-)

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    8. Re:Wasn't Paranoia by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The truth of what he says seems obvious to me, and I'd suspect to anyone who believes in such things as "Right" and "Wrong" with capital letters. Hitler's system of maintaining power deserved to be destroyed. Stalin's system of maintaining power deserved to be destroyed. Saddam's system of maintaining power deserved to be destroyed. These statements shouldn't be controversial - unless you've lost all moral compass.

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  7. Some clarifications by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason the suits looked like Gemini era suits was because the MOL program was based on Gemini technology.

    A Titan IIIC booster with a 'Blue Gemini' atop would launch with the space station afixed, they would do their observation, then the Gemini would detach and land. Later missions could dock with the existing observation platform when feasible.

    The launches would have taken place from Vandenburg Air Force Base in California. This is needed to efficiently put spacecraft into polar orbit without overflying populated land during boost.

    A launch site was created at Vandenburg to handle manned spacecraft launches, but the program was cancelled as the article says. What it doesn't say is that the same complex was refurbished in the 1980s as part of the effort to launch the Space Shuttle into polar orbit for military missions. That program was cancelled as well (following the Challenger destruction).

    For people interested in MOL, go check out the X-20 Dynasoar. It was a related program that would have had a reusable spaceplane 15 years before the shuttle.

  8. Interesting technical detail by AlexMidn1ght · · Score: 4, Funny

    The most innovative aspect of the space suit was that it's made so your tuxedo doesn't wrinkle under it.

  9. "We must control the high ground!" by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In the 1960s, the USAF thought that the next generation of air combat was going to be in space. After all, they already had airplanes that could just barely make it into space for a short period.

    So they had the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, the Dyna-Soar program, and the USAF Space School. None of those survived the 1960s, although they were all good, workable ideas. The MOL incorporated the Gemini spacecraft, the best space flying machine to come out of NASA. (Mercury was the "man in a can" capsule, and Apollo was less maneuverable.)

    As for the blue MH-7 suit, there's one of those on display at Wright-Patterson AFB.

  10. Why not sell that junk on ebay? by glrotate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Send one or to to the Smithsonian and put the rest on ebay. I bet if NASA unloaded all their old junk they could probably fund another R/C car mission to Mars.

  11. Spending money on space by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Interesting


    This does raise the question again about what Space exploration is for. With George W stating that its about going to the Moon, then Mars and putting people on planets this is a lesson in how easy it is to put people into Orbit (but how much more expensive to get to the moon, Gemini v Apollo).

    With elements like Hubble being decomissioned despite its achievements, and a lack of long range probes being planned the question has to be asked.

    Is NASA a marketing campaign for US Military "dominance" of earth and space. Or about futhering Mankind. In the 60s the president gave a target of something that just seemed right (landing on the moon). In the 21st Century the best we aim to achieve is... what JFK wanted us to do in the 60s.

    Imagine what MIT, Berkley, Cambridge, Moscow, Paris and a bunch of other top Universities could do in terms of pushing human achievement forwards if they had the budget that NASA gets.

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  12. Re:Sadly by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    They were so dedicated, they stayed at their positions until they died of thirst.

    I think you mean, they were so desiccated from staying at their positions until they died of thirst.

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  13. Not gone, just bye by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You think things are less paranoid now? There's more orbital surveillance now than ever! This is "quaint" only because it assumed that orbital surveillance required somebody to be physically present.

    Back in the 40s and 50s, there was a lot of talk about doing things like surveillance (you can see a lot) and communications (a lot of people can see you) from orbit. One common assumption (which turned out to be correct) was that these things would be extremely important in the near future. Another assumption (which turned out to be totally wrong) was that this would be done by sending people to go live in orbit. Once there, they'd use photography, electronics, and other technology that wouldn't be much more advanced that what people were familiar with. You can see this in Arthur C. Clarke's original proposals for communications satellites and in fiction from Clarke, Heinlen, and others.

    What really happened, of course, is that rocket technology progressed relatively slowly, while electronics progressed very rapidly. So long before it was practical to a space station in orbit, it was practical to put a simple electronic gadget in orbit that would do all those chores pretty cheaply. Kind of sad, really -- if building better rockets had been more of an economic and military necessity, we'd probably be the space-going civilization that eveybody back in the 50s assumed we would be.

    Then again, the need to build smaller and more reliable electronics did a lot to jump-start the computer revolution -- so we mustn't complain too much!

  14. Re:someone was building a private collection... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Sounds to me like someone at NASA was building up their own private collection, and used a room they thought they had the only key to, not realizing there was a master key system in use."

    I don't know about that. I work at a certain military facility, and in the building where I used to work there was a room way in the back of the basement, through two sets of locked doors, that used to contain a computer system I was responsible for and still had parts and manuals and such. I found out about it from someone who used to work there, and when I went to get access it was determined that not only did no one have access, but no one was even declared as being responsible for the area.

    And this wasn't just a matter of not knowing who had the key. All the doors were tied into the central entry control system and there simply weren't any prox keys issued with access, aside from some master keys used by maintenance.

    Keep in mind that this is a military base, and very few active duty types stick around for more than a few years in one assignment. The room in question was run by contractors, and hadn't been used over the span of a couple of contract transitions.

    I did finally get access and found a whole rack of modems (1200 or 2400 baud, I forget) still powered up and ready. A power line monitor had run itself out of recording tape years before but kept going. To this day there are still racks of VAX spares and tape reels down there.

    Oh, and it turned out at least one portion of that area WAS being accessed. Turns out the maintenance guys had figured out no one ever came down there and had turned an adjacent office area into their private lounge.

    Anyway, never underestimate the ability of the government to lose things. Portions of buildings included.

  15. They must be kinda crusty. by boodaman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I love the headline, inaccurate as it is.

    NASA Discovers Space Spies From the 60's

    No, NASA discovers SPACE SUITS from the 60's. It's not like there were a bunch of astronauts tucked away in a closet somewhere waiting for the "go" signal.

  16. Re:someone was building a private collection... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A related story:

    The aircraft carrier USS Independence (CV-62) was originally named the USS Constellation. But there was something that held up on the original Independence's shipbuilding process, so the original Constellation was completed as the Independence... sometime later, there was a fire on the Independence's forecastle, and when the layers of grey paint were burned off, there was the logo for the USS Constellation!

    Many years later, during a refit some engineers were going over the ship's blueprints, and "discovered" a compartment along the midship line, down in the ship. The compartment was opened (it had no doors or hatches into it, so they had to cut through a bulkhead), and the shipyard workers discovered a complete machine shop - the drill presses and lathes still covered in original preservative grease.

    Apparently, during the ship's original construction, someone had walled up the machine shop.

    So yes, the gov't can occasionally misplace things... :)