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RFID: The Next Internet?

An anonymous reader writes "RFID Journal has an artricle about how an open source foundation is creating a new Internet based on RFID tags. 'The founders [RadioActive Foundation] liken the EPCglobal Network as a whole to the Internet, with RFID tags acting as URLs, and the tags' associated data being the Web site for that tag . The software the foundation develops, Michael Mealling adds, will act similarly to an Internet search engine. With Discovery Service software, for example, companies will be able to search for an RFID tag without requiring connected links between each point of the tag's travels.' Pretty neat concept, probably decades away."

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  1. Another CueCat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hasn't this sort of thing been tried before and failed miserably?

    1. Re:Another CueCat? by scoove · · Score: 4, Informative
      Hasn't this sort of thing been tried before and failed miserably?

      Yes, but according to CueCat's official website, we should hang on to our devices:

      If you have a Cue Cat, save it. The patents and technology created by DigitalConvergence will again be available for business and consumer use.

      As I'm certain they're not talking about the evil open source drivers that came along and ruined their attempts to spy on all those scans. Perhaps it has something to do with these Digital Convergence patents lying out there in wait:
      • US 6,836.799: Method and apparatus for tracking user profile and habits on a global network
      • US 6,643,692: Method for controlling a computer using an embedded unique code in the content of video tape media

      Don't forget...

      The dream was to connect items in the physical world to the Internet, automatically.
      In January that dream hit a bump in the road and the servers were taken offline.
      They will scan again...
  2. 2000 is calling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    they want their CueCat back.

  3. It's So Easy To Use by Elecore · · Score: 2, Funny

    You won't even know you're using it!

    1. Re:It's So Easy To Use by devoss · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, I can actually hear us all getting cancer.

  4. OH NOES!!! by Xaroth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now they'll be able to track where our INTERNETS are! From now on, I'm wrapping my internets in tinfoil.

    Anyone got millions of miles of tinfoil I could borrow? Getting the first one wrapped is going to take a while.

  5. Great for shipping, but not necessary? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would be an excellent development for people like FedEx, UPS, big wharehouse companies, etc. The only thing I see is that it is a two edged sword. First, it wouldn't be totally necessary in companies, as you could just have a database app. for this. Secondly, would you want your competitor to have your RFID database of products? I wouldn't think so.

    1. Re:Great for shipping, but not necessary? by llefler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In warehousing it's useful for keeping track of inventory movement. Databases are only as good as the people that use them, and people occasionally make mistakes. So while your database might tell you that you have 10,000 of product X, someone might have accidently overshipped, so you really only have 9,975. With RFID you can do a quick cycle count. Another problem in warehouses is when an employee records that s/he put the product in bin A, but actually put it in bin D. When you can have thousands of rack locations it can be next to impossible to find mistakes like that without doing a physical inventory. A time consuming process. From my experience in retail many, many years ago, I can see some benefit for finding 'lost' product there too. Retail stores have gremlins that move product randomly around the store. Because that Black & Decker cordless drill is supposed to be in lingerie.

      I doubt that very many product handling facilities care about tracking product once it leaves their domain. So you really have to wonder who interest it is to keep RFID active once it leaves a retailer.

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  6. Yes, but... by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

    will it finally solve missing socks phenomenon?

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  7. Woo! by Poromenos1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So I will be able to google for my keys? I always seem to misplace them...

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  8. At Last by CleverNickedName · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean we'll be able to slashdot an actual RFID tag?

    Cool.

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  9. RadioActive by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good name, 'cause from what I'm getting, it sounds like something that I don't want to touch with a ten foot pole.

    Could someone explain exactly what they mean by, "[C]ompanies will be able to search for an RFID tag without requiring connected links between each point of the tag's travels." That sounds ludicrously ominous to me. Are we talking about tracking items with RFID tags, and are talking about being able to track them once they've left the store?

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    1. Re:RadioActive by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
      Are we talking about tracking items with RFID tags, and are talking about being able to track them once they've left the store?

      Unless you have a scanner in your home and connect it to their network, I don't see why it would.

      Basically, this is a new level of inventory and shipment tracking. The company is overhyping it with their analogy to the internet, and it seems to be impressing people in the opposite direction from the intended.

    2. Re:RadioActive by krbvroc1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I found their pdf white paper http://www.epcglobalinc.org/news/EPCglobal_Network _Overview_10072004.pdf/

      From what I read we are talking about tracking them during the supply chain. However it appears to me that is the design goal. There doesn't seem to be a problem with putting a 'reader device' elseware. And with the technology based on Internet standards, as long as there is a CAT5 jack nearby you could store the info.

      Here are some excerpts from the security section of the white paper:

      " When EPC tags pass through EPC readers throughout the supply chain, the only information collected is the EPC identification and the time, date, and location of the read. (If advanced functionality like a temperature sensor is also on the tag, this information can also be collected.)"

      " Thus, the EPC tag, in and of itself, does not communicate meaningful information. All information associated with EPC number is found in the EPCglobal Network and is only accessible to authorized users behind firewalls, encoding and other security measures. (Security regarding access to network information is discussed below.)"

      " The majority of consumers today and for the foreseeable future will only come in direct contact with EPC tags if they are buying cases of goods at a retailer who is pilot testing the EPCglobal Network. It will take some time before item level tagging is implemented on a large scale and thus consumer contact with EPC tags will remain limited until that point. This provides the necessary time to properly analyze any perceived privacy risks associated with EPC tagged objects in the consumer's possession and develop the appropriate strategies for addressing those concerns. With interest in RFID and EPC technology growing across industry, this timeframe could change rapidly."

  10. 508 and product tool tips by J+Barnes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems to me that the the two most obvious uses for this would be for blind people and for in-store product information.

    If your vision-impared, it would be an amazing thing to carry around a talking box that can read signs and maps to you.

    For product "tool tips", you could walk around your local best buy with a small device that could scan CD's and DVD's and hot-link to IMDB reviews or short trailors and song samples.

    1. Re:508 and product tool tips by eheldreth · · Score: 2, Funny

      More information on a product may be a good thing but the first time a stinking paper clip pops up and suggest I buy something I'm heading for my bomb shelter. The end is nigh.

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  11. security concerns by smashin234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "companies will be able to search for an RFID tag without requiring connected links between each point of the tag's travels. "

    How do you make sure you connect to the RIGHT RFID tag? Just because a tag has a certain ID does not make it the right one. They need to really address this right now imo.

  12. New internet??? by Palidase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will it be a new internet:

    rfid:127.0.0.1

    a new protocol:

    rfid://127.0.0.1

    or another flavor of what already exists?

    http://rfid.slashdot.org

  13. What's Happening? by tilleyrw · · Score: 2, Funny

    The article contained no solid information!

    How would this work? Would workers travel from computer to computer with RFID tags full of data?

    I suggest someone give these people a bag of clues and a link to the documention on sending TCP/IP via carrier pigeons.

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  14. A New Internet? by scovetta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't they mean, A New Website on a private network, that uses Cuecat/AOL "keyword" links? Wouldn't they have been better off just making a nice web page and have the rfid code load up the revelant web data?

    This sounds like the work of.. Marketing!

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  15. The submitter got it wrong I think... by kenh · · Score: 5, Informative

    RFID can't "displace" or become "the next internet" anymore than barcodes can. RFID tags have no computation ability, no networking capabilities...

    RFID tags, at the lowest level emit a pre-programmed number when activated by RF energy (the resonate, if you will).

    There is a Dummies Guide on RFID - I expect it to be a big seller among the tin foil hat crowd ;^)

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    1. Re:The submitter got it wrong I think... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Funny
      You're misunderstanding the purpose of the Internet. It was originally developed by DARPA as a way to track everything anyone does anywhere on the planet. Unfortunately, it turned out to be horribly inefficient for this purpose, and most people think it was actually designed to exchange information.

      Now they're going to replace it with RFID tags, and they'll be able to track you a lot better. Hope this helps.

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    2. Re:The submitter got it wrong I think... by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RFID tags, at the lowest level emit a pre-programmed number when activated by RF energy (the resonate, if you will).

      The most basic ones, yes. Other RFID tags have a bit more capability, including a small amount of read/write storage. Also often confused with RFID tags are contactless smart card chips which are tiny computers roughly as powerful as 1980 microcomputer.

      RFID can't "displace" or become "the next internet" anymore than barcodes can. RFID tags have no computation ability, no networking capabilities...

      It's certainly possible to implement a TCP/IP stack on the most powerful of the current smart card chips, but I can't see how you could build any sort of network out of such passively-powered, short range RF devices. And those devices aren't properly called RFID tags, either.

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    3. Re:The submitter got it wrong I think... by telecsan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe I'm missing something here, but if I were Big Brother, I wouldn't be very happy with RFID as a means of tracking. As a personal user of RFID as a means of access to my work location, it's tracking ability seems limited. The range on the devices is pathetic (on the order of inches or centimeters, not feet or meters), so the number of readers required to effectively 'track' someone would be astounding, even for government.

      Now, if they could just create an RFID tag readable by satellite, that would be something I could get excited about!

  16. I agree by cluening · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RFID is already on its way to becoming the next Internet - a name that is applied to anything technical that people don't understand. Just like web==internet in many people's minds, RFID is slowly becoming whatever people want it to be. For example, we have the "RFID-powered mouse" that appeared here a week or two ago, the "RFID is the Internet" story here, and the guy I overheard in downtown Chicago in March trying to impress his girlfriend saying "Yeah, I saw a thing on the Internet where people hooked the light switches in a building up to RFID tags and could turn the lights on and off, and were able to play Tetris on the side of the building."

    The world is becoming a scary place full of people who know just enough words to be dangerous.

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  17. Marketing Hype by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 3, Funny
    liken the EPCglobal Network as a whole to the Internet, with RFID tags acting as URLs, and the tags' associated data being the Web site for that tag

    This sounds like a press release from the .com glory days . . . mindless banter that uses some fancy buzzwords (Internet, RFID, URLs, Website) in hopes that unsuspecting folks won't realize that this analogy is poor at best, blatantly wrong at worst.

    I could use the same analogy for my house. The house is the internet, each power outlet is a URL and each appliance's use of electrical current is the associated data for that website. Now with a bunch of multimeters, I have an "internet."

    Analogies in the hands on the misinformed are a very dangerous thing.

  18. Internet != Web by Tei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You dont need to replace "the internet" to add a new use, all uses can share the network, like actually the web, the news, the spam-distribution-system and others share the internet resource.

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  19. RFID is PEOPLE!! by Swedgin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading the not-so-very-detailed article (not surprising since it's little more than concept phase right now), they're only 'likening' this technology to the Internet.

    My interpretation has this being most useful on an INTRAnet where a company can call up an RFID that may have various category tags that would allow them to see that there are only 18 on the shelf, 42 on order, and 235 other products that meet the same criteria that are readily available.

    I know a guy who works in IBM's Global Services (consulting) group...they're pushing RFID like it's the second coming. In many ways I think it can be seen as the next barcode, only better.

    Because we've been dealing with barcodes for years and years, we can now right some wrongs that manufacturers and their customers may feel exist in the simple barcode...they can go a long way towards getting the job done right the first time (or at least 'right' as far as today's standards are concerned).

    The accessibility thing for vision impared customers at a store is a clever idea too - however I don't think this product is going to be end-consumer driven at first.

  20. Hang on a second... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but there is no point in creating a 'New Internet' if it's just as easy to give each damn RFID tag an IP address. I shouldn't have to waste time translating between networks, if I ping an IP it should reply be it a server, an RFID tag, a mobile phone, a watch...

    Remember URLs? Ever heard of the concept of URIs? A 'name' could be given to a tag which resolves just like a domain name.

    Come on people, we don't need new networks. We need IPv6 on the one we've got, and hook more devices onto that.

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  21. EPCglobal Network just a set of usage conventions by mhmealling · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those trying to understand the EPCglobal Network from those media reports here's the easy primer:

    The EPCglobal Network is just a set of usage conventions for existing Internet standards and infrastructure for accessing data about the Electronic Product Code (EPC). RFID tags that adhere to the EPCglobal standards for tag encoding contain EPCs. The standard bar code that's been in use for decades is a degenerative case of an EPC.

    The usage conventions include a way of turning that EPC into a domain-name (in much the same way that the ENUM standard provides a way of turning a telephone number into a domain-name). From that point on its really just TCP/IP, HTTP, XML, Web Services, and standard security mechanisms we all know and work with every day.

    Yes, there is a large amount of incorrect terminology in that article. Anyone that has talked to a reporter about technical stuff knows that there's no telling what you're going to get on the other end. Suffice it to say, this isn't QueCat, it isn't a "new Internet", and it isn't about reading RFID tags from a distance. The stuff the Foundation is building is useful even if RFID tags were never deployed since it also works with bar codes.

  22. Forgetting something? by VII · · Score: 2, Funny

    Until they have porn, it's not an internet.