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Apple Switching to Intel

Steve Jobs announced at the WWDC keynote today that Apple is switching to Intel processors. MacNN has live coverage. The bottom line is that Mac OS X for the last five years has been running on Intel, the switch is expected to be complete in two years, and Rosetta will allow PPC apps to run on Intel-based Macs, transparently. If you're using Xcode, it is small changes and a recompile; otherwise, you might be seeing a lot of work ahead of you. You will be able to order the 10.4.1 preview for Intel today.

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  1. Apple Computer - WORLD CLASS MANAGEMENT by The+Mutant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Folks, you can argue the technical pros and cons back and forth until you're sick in the face, but one thing lept out at me from Steve Jobs' presentation :

    "Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."

    Damn. This is forward looking, hedge all your bets corporate Management. World class Management.

    I don't know if this thing will succeed or fail, but just parsing that statement above shows me that Jobs and Apple Computer will continue to evaluate all possible options at all possible times.

    This is one well run company.

  2. 68K to PPC transition wasn't so bad by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, I found that the 68K to PPC transition went pretty smoothly. Virtually everything still ran. On the first generation of PowerPC's, 68K applications ran perceptibly slower, but not by much--about like having a 68030 instead of a 68040. By the second generation, even the 68K applications were faster than on 68040.

    And it is likely that this transition will probably go even more smoothly: Early versions of the PPC MacOS still were running a lot of 68K OS code in emulation; it is a safe bet that the Intel OS X will be 100% native code. And there is less hand-tweaked assembly code running around, so it will be easier for developers to simply recompile. Most major applications are already cross-platform, so developers already know what to tweak to enhance Intel processor performance.

    My guess is that the transition will be smoother than the PPC transition, and much smoother than the OS X transition.

    Financially, this is going to be a big bump for Apple. I'm certainly not going to order any more new Macs until the Intel systems are available. This may be one reason why they chose to do it now, when the success of the iPod will carry them through.

    It may be the best decision for Apple, but I still think that it would have been better if they'd been able to reach a deal with IBM to develop the PPC further. I would much rather have seen multicore PPC's.

    The question of whether the Intel OS X will run on generic Intel hardware seems to still be open. I'd guess not, but then I didn't believe that they'd switch to Intel in the first place.

  3. This is good, here's why. by illtron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've figured it out. You may be wondering what the hell Apple's reasoning is when IBM has some very promising things in the pipeline. Well I know. The MHz myth is now dead. Even if Macs could be X% faster than PCs by using IBM chips, it's a gamble. If Apple is ahead, eventually they'll be behind, and the cycle will repeat itself. The whole argument is now a moot point. Macs will always be THE SAME SPEED as PCs (give or take a small bit at any given time) from now on. If IBM pulls out ahead in the speed race, it won't matter, because Windows PCs don't use IBM chips, and they never will. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. A guaranteed tie is better than gambling on a possible loss or a very, very minor win at best. There's also a secondary benefit: If the hardware business becomes unprofitable, Apple can always become a software company at a moment's notice. And it looks like Apple's going to make this easy enough for both end users and developers. I see all of this as good news and welcome our new Intel overlords.

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  4. Re:Have a taste... by bitspotter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And with an open source kernel, how, exactly, do they plan to stop people from hacking OS X onto commodity PC hardware?

    Trusted Computing/DRM? I don't see any other way then through some form of remote attestation. Given their track record with iPod DRM, i wouldn't put it past them, either.

    Perhaps the Mac crowd will become the ultimate DRM apologists, claiming, with some credibility, that Mac couldn't survive if it didn't have TC/DRM involved.

    A unique argument: We're using technology to preserve a monopoly - except that it isn't really a monopoly.

  5. Re:Have a taste... by miscz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe Apple won't let OS X run on custom x86 boxes but I wonder if Microsoft is going to release Windows for x86 Macs. This might force Apple to think about supporting all PCs. well, that's very unpropable but still we can always dream :)

  6. You're right.... dammit! by alispguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had so hoped, though, that we were finally going to get beyond the x86 architecture - that their strategy of piling kluge on top of kluge on top of kluge in the name of backwards-compatibility was finally going to come crashing down.

    That the chip guys could start spending resources on actual innovation in hardware design, without having to keep one foot in the bucket of x86 binary compatibility.

    That PowerPC, or the Cell, or anything with less than thirty years of binary baggage, might get out ahead and stay there long enough to put x86 to rest.

    Dammit!

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  7. Re:Have a taste... by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the Stevenote, he informed devs that they would be supporting both platforms for a long time to come.

    You have to wonder if maybe he's hedging his bets. If IBM or one of the PPC licensees comes out of their coma and delivers, he has plenty of opportunities to backstroke. Nothing like having some options.

  8. Re:Bad news for GCC by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Intel C/C++ Compiler

    What hypocracy! When Apple wanted to "prove" that Intel was slower, they used GCC. Now that they need to use Intel, they're using the manufacturer's recommended compiler and getting better results.

  9. Not using openfirmware by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... according to the developers docs on the apple home-page, Intel-based macs will not use openfirmware, also:

    from cnet today:

    http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+the+switch%2C+ali gns+with+Intel+-+page+2/2100-7341_3-5733756-2.html ?tag=st.next

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    After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that."

    However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said.

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  10. Re:Saddening. by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's an ideological shift because for years the Mac Zealots have pulled the Apple line about why the PPC is superior to x86. Now they are forced to admit that PPC was a mistake.


    Either that, or that Jobs has made a mistake in going to Intel.

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  11. Precedent: Silicon Graphics "Visual Workstation" by xixax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The SGI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_Visual_Workstatio n>Visual Workstation shows just how easy it is to produce an x86 based computer that is not really a PC. The biggest difference is that there was no BIOS, but ARCS firmware.

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