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Patriot Act to be Expanded
m4dm4n writes "It seems that the patriot act is being expanded rather than scaled back after a vote late Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence committee. The FBI has gained new powers to demand documents from companies without a judge's approval, as well as the ability to designate subpoenas as secret and punish disclosure of their existence with up to one year in prison."
Five years ago, I wished I'd lived in bastions of freedom like the Soviet Union, Hitler's Germany, Cuba or Communist China. After five years of Bush in office, I realize that I already do.
Please don't compare what is happening in the US to what you have to do in Europe.
Depending on where you are in Europe:
You have to register with you local town hall, this is not for taxes or services or anything(that is all seperate) you just have to register that you are living in there city, send to police and the higher up the buracrary chain.
You are required to carry identification with you all the time, stopped without it, instant jail.
When you stay at a hotel your information and picture is send to the police.
The police can already request all the information from local businesses and other state entities they want.
The US has been a police state since the end of World War 2.
You didn't really think all those soldiers were going to put away their toys and go home, did you?
Americans, take on the Techno-Military-Industrial Cults which have your nation in their grips! Quick! Its not too late!
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Insightful? wtf? I really hope parent was meant as a funny post... And whoever modded it insightful should be ashamed!
"As in beer, I guess."
hahah. Oh, free as in beer. You kill me!
Should be ranked (Score: -100, GAY)
Slahdot - Home of the lame!
Brainwashing (from dictionary.com):
The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
Sounds pretty close to what is happening to me. As the tobacco companies say "You get 'em young and you got 'em for life".
Weird - I always thought that was the definition of organized religion....
First they burn books, then they burn people.
and you idiots were worried about the communists? It's quite obviously time for another revolution - to put your out of control, megalomaniac masters in their place and remind them that they SERVE the people, or leave. Either that or you will end up attacked within 10 years, by the entire world population in self protection. Let's see what you think about your United States after being conquered and split by a world community who recognizes that your masters and any shadow cabinets are an acute danger to freedom everywhere.
Question Authority before IT questions You
Well,first the supreme court ignores the constitution and puts the fed before the states (that medical marijuanna thingy) Now this happens. .Now look where we are.
229+ years ago citizens took up arms against government tyranny.Now the left in government declares our right to keep and bear arms non existant.Not that the hypnotized pacifist mistaught populace has the bravery to take it all back.hmmm.Hillary was more prophetic than right" It takes a village (idiot) to raise a child"
Case in point,in this forum my right to free speech and redress of grievances has been stifled for political dissent.Yeah,thats right I've been cast as a troll and my status has been thus since last december.All for my personal political beliefs.(I dont believe animal or environmental rights trump ours and I dont show proper social(ist) responsibility and my political incorrectness has "offended" the left.
Say goodbye to all your other freedoms too brother,cause when one goes they all topple like dominoes.freedom isn't free its paid for in blood and you can't get blood from the turnip citizenry nowadays.woe!
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
"...What are you talking about? First of all, we _welcome_ NH natives as Friends (they don't count toward the 20K goal), and all of the natives I know are friendly (lots and lots) feel like we fit the mold here quite well, and are more like 'classic NH folk' than those moving from Massachusetts or Vermont. ..."
Friends? You ass, we're NATIVES!!!! You want to move here and make us "FRIENDS"? Just like Bush moving to Iraq to make "FRIENDS"!!! And you fit the mold because we're quite tolerant of everyone up 'til the point we are treated as second-class or second rate (such as the inability to join your little enclave, except as "FRIENDS"!). FRIENDS = supporters, I'm NOT a supporter, I'm a NATIVE!
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"...And it's not that cold all over the state. Lancaster is way way north. ..."
I'm no meteorologist, but a few degrees latitude doesn't change the temps much.
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"... We're having our PorcFest annual get together in Lancaster last weekend in July. I invite you to come check us out. I'm sure you'd like us. ..."
I don't like discriminatory groups, and your failure to recognize NH NATIVES as members is absolutely discriminatory. With a population of barely over a million, it wouldn't take too many of you FREE LOADERS to engulf our tiny state and make it what you want. Which would account for your limited success as it is.
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...the SIGnificance of inSIGnificance is SIGnificant...
As a child of two teachers, I GUARANFCUKINGTEE you they don't support the kind of trash Bush is spewing. You will find far and away that the VAST MAJORITY of the teaching population in this country are "liberals". Generally speaking consveratives are rich white americans, therefore they think the first place they should cut into is public school systems (why the hell should they care, they send their kids to private schools anyways).
So PLEASE don't even attempt to say that the public school teaches support of such bullshit. The MEDIA is telling kids this shit, and they gobble it up. Any poli sci class I ever had in PUBLIC high school preached up and down about our freedom's and how we should never take them for granted.
Now let's assume I do write to my Congressional delegation. Seeing as how my senators are both republican and my Democratic congressman is so middle-of-the-road he's got a yellow line down his back I doubt they'll listen.
Besides, why listen to one poor, liberal young kid who doesn't have the money to donate when you can do the bidding of large corporate donors? (And don't think they don't support the U SAP AT RIOT Act.)
You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
Riiight... And Saddam had stockpiles of WMD and was best buddies with Osama bin Laden, right?
"I am a war president," he said. What more obvious ploy than to apply a "special wartime measure" to stay in power? It's easy enough to frighten the people into believing there's an emergency. If push comes to shove, some Special Forces unit could blow up a few buildings to "prove" that terrorism is still/again rampant in the country.
Once everyone agrees that there is an emergency in progress, many "desparate measures" can be pushed through. Keeping GWB at the helm could be made to look like the only sane thing to do. Maybe "we're too endangered by terrorism at the moment to hold elections?"
So, in a few simple steps:
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Rel
To be fair, America has always stood for `might is right`, hence its foundation on the genocide of Native Americans, on slavery, colonialism and so on, so Bush's rule doesn't mark any kind of watershed in terms of direction. It's simply breathtaking both how shamelessly Bush is using the 9/11 atrocities to cover a switch from protectionism to imposing the same control America has exerted over Europe since the end of the second world war to the rest of the world.
My biggest fear is that in 5 years time, no-one will be talking about 9/11 except perhaps to say `to think we made that much fuss about just 3000 deaths`.
So i guess now in slashdot you can post a bunch of links to wikipedia spout of stuff with no factual basis and get mod points ... gee goly let me try!
Sorry to let you know but it wasnt freedom fighting americans that exclaimed we need the United nations.... infact it was many countrys and pervious agremments like oh i dont know the LEAGUE OF NATIONS. But no it was our free spirit that made the united nations....
Sorry to let you down but back when wwII started communism throughout the world was thought to be the next form of goverment because nothing else was working. you can find that in any college history book or even on the history channel. What stopped that from happening was our president and a war bringing us our of the current depression of the time.
However thats just semantics
Lets just take a look at your id system point
http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/
Quote from the site:
Americans have rejected the idea of a national ID card. When the Social Security Number (SSN) was created in 1936, it was meant to be used only as an account number associated with the administration of the Social Security system. Though use of the SSN has expanded considerably, it is not a universal identifier and efforts to make it one have been consistently rejected. In 1971, the Social Security Administration task force on the SSN rejected the extension of the Social Security Number to the status of an ID card. In 1973, the Health, Education and Welfare Secretary's Advisory Committee on Automated Personal Data Systems concluded that a national identifier was not desirable. In 1976, the Federal Advisory Committee on False Identification rejected the idea of an identifier.
Hmm thats odd in all my books i cant find any places where bills were proposed that were like the real id act that got shot down. Unless you are saying any of the previous laws are like an ID act.. which is just plain silly
Then you pose all these big brother arguments like the goverment has now just started lying to us.. I got big news they have been lying to us before world war II
But the terrorists win when goverment takes civil liberties away!!!!!!! Such a stupid friggin argument
Like youve been hanging out with Osama planning on how to demean amercia to help you. PFFT
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Ok, so I'm not defending or condemning the Patriot Act here, but isn't that a little extreme?
How giving up your freedom to LIVE (an effect of rampant terrorism) to keep the ability to, whatever this bill would prevent, any different?
Your ignorance is truly impressive!
Who needs terrorists when we have citizens like you.
Truly remarkable. Really.