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Microsoft Censoring Blogs on MSN China

jdfox writes "The BBC is reporting that Microsoft is censoring blogs on MSN China. The words 'freedom', 'democracy' and 'demonstration' are reportedly among the words being blocked. But the article also points out that Microsoft is not the first corporation to censor content when the Chinese government requests it." Slashdot covered this story a few days ago too.

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  1. Dupe...with a twist. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative


    This story is a dupe....reported previously as "Microsoft Bans 'Democracy' for China's Web Users" on Saturday, June 11th.

    Dupes are nothing new here, but the following is what really boggles me...

    From TFS:


    Slashdot covered this story a few days ago too.


    Um...OK...if you know it's a dupe, why is it still being re-reported?
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    1. Re:Dupe...with a twist. by Scarblac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Um...OK...if you know it's a dupe, why is it still being re-reported?

      What on earth makes you believe the Slashdot editors think dupes are a bad thing?

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  2. l33t l00ph0le? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny
    "The words 'freedom', 'democracy' and 'demonstration' "

    Yes, but what of fr33d0m, d3m0cracy, and dem0nstrat1on?

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    1. Re:l33t l00ph0le? by ccharles · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yes, but what of fr33d0m, d3m0cracy, and dem0nstrat1on?
      IIRC this is where 13375p34k came from in the first place. It was invented to avoid content filters on BBSes.
  3. If they had any morality... by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..they'd simply pull out of the Chinese market.
    But whats human rights and freedom when theres
    market share and online presence at stake. Right?

    1. Re:If they had any morality... by space_dude_27 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well exactly - they have the choice of either compling with the Chinese govt's wishes and censoring content that the regime doesn't like or giving up a potentially very lucrative market to their competitors. Would Microsoft do that? It appears not.

      The thing that really worries me about all this is that if the Chinese govt is in a position to make demands like this on a company as a price for doing businss in China then in the future they may be in a position to make greater demands, ones that affect folks in other countries directly.

    2. Re:If they had any morality... by cicho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Seriously, how would Microsoft pulling out of the Chinese market help Chinese people?"

      Riddle me this: how is the US embargo on Cuba helping Cuban people?

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  4. What about... by American+In+Berlin · · Score: 3, Informative

    The words 'freedom', 'democracy' and 'demonstration' are reportedly among the words being blocked.

    What about 'linux', 'google' and 'apple'?

  5. OB Simpsons by PaxTech · · Score: 5, Funny

    "On this site in 1989, nothing happened." - Tianenmen Square plaque

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  6. So? by failure-man · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, that's pretty shitty, but I wouldn't say it's Microsoft's fault. If they want to do business in China they have to comply with Chinese law. Chinese law's kinda oppressive. News at 11.

    1. Re:So? by cicho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Moral arguments don't play in. Capitalism is amoral by nature and the people involved are, for the most part, nothing more than components of the system."

      Bullshit. Doing or not doing trade with a dictatorship IS a moral issue. Whichever way a company goes, they are making a moral choice.

      But the hypocrisy is astounding. Why the embargo on Cuba, but not on China? Why not trade with North Korea?

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  7. Yeah, blame microsoft. by theNote · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, so Microsoft is responsible for the lack of human rights in China? But China is awesome right? I mean, they use linux, how can they be bad?

    I bet they only use linux for the good stuff, and then they switch over to a MS box when they need to do some oppressing.

  8. It is sad that American Companies have decided ... by rben · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that the dollar is more important than freedom or principles.

    I guess it shouldn't be any surprise the Microsoft and other companies are anxious to help China maintain and strengthen it's totalitarian government, since it's the government that controls the purse strings.

    It should give all of us in this country pause. Microsoft obviously has no issues with a government that has it's army fire upon students demonstrating for democracy. It's a short step from there to helping an American administration (of whichever party) do the same thing in this country. Considering how much money Microsoft was saved by the hand slap it got from Justice after being convicted of monopolistic practices, I would assume Bill Gates feels deeply indebted to the present administration.

    Apparently, even Google, a company that claims it's unofficial motto is "Dont' Be Evil", doesn't feel like it has a responsibility to behave ethically.

    It wasn't defense spending in the U.S. that caused the fall of Communisim in the USSR, it was blue jeans and walkmans -- simple economics. It became glaringly obvious to everyone in communist states that they were being deprived the advances that were cheap to citizens of democratic countries.

    The Chinese have never been stupid or foolish. They learned from the lesson of the USSR and they are modernizing their economy in order to prevent a similar revolution. It is unfortunate that companies like Microsoft, Google, and Walmart are so quick to help them.

    China is still a totalitarian government. China allows the use of slave and prison labor to produce goods which show up on American store shelves. Ever wonder why goods made in China are so inexpensive?

    The American government and businesses are not just hurting the Chinese people by helping such a government; they are hurting American citizens. We are losing jobs. We are becoming a nation that produces nothing but Reality TV shows. Worse the lesson to our children is that freedom only counts until someone offers you more money.

    These companies argue that by doing business with China, they are improving the lives of ordinary Chinese. How can we trust them? There have been numerous stories about the use of prison labor and child labor to produce goods bound for America. Can they really know that they are helping the average Chinese when China does not have a free press that can report how things actually are? I sincerely doubt that the workers in China are getting the same wages and benefits that American workers would get. I wonder if they are even getting enough more to substantially change their lives.

    If you are going to stand for freedom, you have to do it all the time, not just when it's financially attractive.

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  9. Resistance is Futile by corcoranp · · Score: 3, Funny

    We Are Microsoft -- your political, sociological and economical distinctiveness will be added to our own... Resistance is futile...

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  10. "The human progress of a billion people." by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is not aimed at you personally. Whenever China and Human Rights appear on slashdot I find the post is more often than not actually about politics rather than Human Rights

    Before you start throwing stones at China consider that over the past 30yrs the Chineese Govt has dragged 600 million people above the $1/day poverty line and significantly improved the standard of living of hundreds of millions more. Not so long ago parents in the West used to say "eat your dinner, there starving in China", (well at least mine and J.Lennon's did). If we were to confiscate the income of the richest 500 people in the world we could do the same thing for another billion.

    Does this mean China is a nice place to live? do the means justify the ends? (re: "enemy combatants", "confiscation from the rich", "population control"). You can argue about history, politics and philosophy all day, but one thing remains indisputable. Over the last few decades they have done more than anyone else to relive the needless suffering of 1/5th of the worlds poorest people. The worldwide reduction in the incidence of starvation since the 1960's is almost entirely due to Chineese peasants having enough to eat. Personally I don't think the Chineese give a flying-fuck about what MS thinks because they will simply pull the plug if they don't play nice. /rant

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