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NIAC Selects 2005 Phase I Winners

Pooua writes "The NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) has selected its 2005 Phase 1 awards winners. Two of my favorite winners from this year are 'Extraction of Antiparticles Concentrated in Planetary Magnetic Fields' and 'A Deep Field Infrared Observatory Near the Lunar Pole.' A brief summary of the awards is available at Spacedaily. The NIAC Website lists links to PDF articles of all their funded studies (past and current). Slashdot covered NAIC awards winners last year."

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  1. Website lockin! Yay! by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone have a link that doesn't try to pop up fastclick crap and also try to lock you in by auto-forwarding you a few levels in?

    That said, I thought Artificial Neural Membrane Flapping Wing was pretty interesting. Penguins are looking forward to the possibility of finally putting those puffins in their place.

  2. Two scientists sitting around the office... by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 2, Funny
    "So, George, what is it we do here at NIAC? Besides collecting our paychecks, that is? Pass me the corn chips, by the way."

    "Well, Bob, think about the title of the place. National Instute of Advanced Concepts. That's a clue, ya think?"

    "All right, quit the sarcasm, buddy. Advanced concepts, huh? Like what? How to find the missing laundry sock, or where all my ballpoint pens go?"

    "No, Bob, Douglas Adams already solved those mysteries. Nothing advanced about them any more."

    "So like what? Here's a concept: Let's give out awards! Like it?"

    "Uhhhh....lacks a certain something. Awards shows are a dime a dozen nowadays. Catch the MTV awards the other day?"

    "Yeah, what a rush to see the Breakfast Club bunch again. OK, so what if we tweak these awards. Let's give them a funky name that will fool the ignorant. How about the Advanced Awards? Heh, nifty right?"

    "Naaah, too obvious. How about the Stupendous Awards?"

    "Man, you need to get out more often. No, we need something obscure....wait, I got it. We'll call it the Phase I Awards!"

    "What's the Phase I bit about?"

    "Beats me, but it sounds intimidating if you don't know better, and that's all that counts in science."

    "Hehe, you devil you, I like it. Now that's an advanced concept!"

    "Pass me the beer, willya"

    1. Re:Two scientists sitting around the office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see that there are two parts of your personality: the stupid part and the ignorant part. They are having a competition to see how dumb you can be. Both are winning.

      In the real world, where reposible adults acomplish complex tasks, the Federal Government has procedures for spending R & D funds. This is typically done in phases. An announcement goes out, and organizations that would like to get funded respond. A subset of the responders are funded for a relatively small amount called a "Phase I" grant. They do some work, and then apply for a larger "Phase II". The process repeats, and Phase II funding is granted. Sometimes there is even a Phase III.

      I work for a company that has this kind of funding. It keeps me employed. I assume that you are still living at home for free and sleeping in the basement. Do you think that my joke is funny>

    2. Re:Two scientists sitting around the office... by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      The basis of most humor, even the silly stuff I posted in the parent, is to present the ridiculous with a straight face. I'm perfectly aware of how the real world works, which is why I like to make fun of it with made-up scenarios.

      Sadly, the stupid part of personality wrote the above paragraph. The ignorant part is writing this paragraph and hasn't a clue what to say nex--

  3. Slightly implausible? by frankthechicken · · Score: 2, Funny

    Personally, I prefer the idea of controlling the global weather.

    Putting aside the intricacies of controlling such a chaotic enviroment, the impact on an Englishman's typical conversation would be astounding.

    Would we be able to adapt?

    What would we talk about?

    1. Re:Slightly implausible? by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      We have weather?!

      I can't see anything through all this blasted fog! Why didn't anyone tell me this before!

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      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    2. Re:Slightly implausible? by TrippTDF · · Score: 1

      I hate small talk. The second that a conversation turns to the weather, I want to kill myself and the other people involved.

    3. Re:Slightly implausible? by hostyle · · Score: 1

      Strange how the rain is coming mostly down sideways today. Would you have any opinions on it, sir?

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    4. Re:Slightly implausible? by TrippTDF · · Score: 1, Funny

      BLAM

      NO CARRIER

    5. Re:Slightly implausible? by frankthechicken · · Score: 1

      Oh come now!

      Is that realy the way to behave on such a beautiful day like today?

      Suicide shouldn't be contemplated when the sun is shining so. Can you remember a day such as today? I mean this weather we've been having recently has been quite strange, but today . . .

      Oh, today, I dream about days like today, not a cloud in the sky, not like last week, do you remember that day, you know the day with the clouds, you must remember it, I remember talking about it with you that day.

      Oh you must remember, you looked quite pensive that day as well, "You look worse than the weather" I said, and you, well, your mood seemed to darken the stranger the weather got . . .

  4. It helps if you are dyslexic. by B5_geek · · Score: 1, Funny

    Dyslexics of the world are excited to hear about a new Apple product.

    Apple introduces the new iNac and has selected 2005 Winners!

    Oh what is it? Who won?

    ack... As I read further on, it has nothing to do with Apple. But you did get me at first.

    Because I didn't RTFA the headline grabbed my attention.

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    "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
  5. Bad Taste! by grennis · · Score: 0, Funny
    Extraction of Antiparticles Concentrated in Planetary Magnetic Fields

    Pfft... please. That wasn't even in my top 10.

  6. Antimatter by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 2, Funny
    This one has some serious potential: "Antimatter Harvesting in Space"

    Imagine the awesome bombs and stuff we could build.

  7. To all the naysayers... by mister_llah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is important to dream and look far ahead, even if the ideas seem ridiculous, some may prove fruitful...

    I think not enough importance is given to considering theoretical science such as this and would love to see NASA put less funding into getting us to land on the moon again and more funding into things which will allow us to, possibly, get to Mars or further...

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    http://mompp.sourceforge.net/
  8. Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is quite an interesting proposal. Of course, 10 micrograms of antiprotons is still a tiny amount. I ran across this web site that talks about antimatter as a propulsion mechanism. That would probably get a robotic probe someplace pretty quick. Still, how quickly does this resource replenish itself? Every year? Every century? Hopefully it won't be like our oil reserves.

    Of course, as the article points out, you could always send robotic miners to the Jovian moons. Antimatter is probably the most valuable substance by weight in the solar system.

    For those who don't want to open up the PDF, here's the abstract for the antimatter recovery scheme:
    Small quantities of antimatter (nanograms to micograms) have enormous potential in a variety of space, medical, and sensing applications. However, due to the high intrinsic cost of production, such applications have not yet been realized. Antiprotons are currently produced during high energy collisions in large particle accelerators. Based on current capabilities, the electricity cost alone for the process is estimated to be $160 trillion per gram collected. In comparison, high energy cosmic rays bombard the Earth's upper atmosphere and produce the antiprotons naturally through pair production. A fraction of these are subsequently concentrated within the Van Allen radiation belts of the Earth similar to their standard matter counterparts. Satellite and high altitude balloon measurements have confirmed the fractional existences of antimatter in the normal background of ionizing radiation. As particles are lost through diffusion processes, new ones are generated to maintain a quasi-static supply trapped in the near dipole field of the Earth. Based on preliminary calculations, it is estimated that 10 micrograms of antiprotons and 10 milligrams of positrons are locally contained within the Earth's magnetosphere at any given time. The Jovian planets with their strong magnetic fields are expected to contain significantly more within their radiation belts. Draper Laboratory and its collaborators propose to use a magnetic scoop to extract large quantities of these trapped antiparticles. The principles of a Bussard magnetic scoop, first proposed for relativistic propulsion, will be adapted for use on a satellite in a planetary orbit. Particles bouncing between mirror points near the planet's poles will pass through and be concentrated by the superimposed magnetic field. Separation and cooling techniques from particle accelerators will be adapted for extracting and separating the desired particles from the radiation flux near the satellite.
    1. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, how quickly does this resource replenish itself? Every year? Every century?

      Did you even read what you posted?

      . . .high energy cosmic rays bombard the Earth's upper atmosphere and produce the antiprotons naturally through pair production

      And,

      it is estimated that 10 micrograms of antiprotons and 10 milligrams of positrons are locally contained within the Earth's magnetosphere at any given time

    2. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

      Right. The catch is that "any one time" is probably a lie. If I invented a device that sucked out every antiproton in the magnetic field, it would still take awhile for cosmic rays to create new antiprotons. The article didn't mention how long this process takes (and it may be unknown).

      Oh, an in my earlier posting I mentioned "Jovian moons". It's really the magnetic fields of the big gas giants, not the moons (though they might be a convenient place to park a satellite).

    3. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any time one of these cosimc rays enters our upper atmosphere (which is all the time), it produces antiprotons.

      Cosmic rays are mainly fast-moving, high-energy protons. Some of these strike atoms in the atmosphere with such high velocities that some of the energy produced by the collision converts to the mass of pairs of particles and antiparticles.

      Antiparticles will not have a long time frame for existance due to their nature, thus I would imagine

      estimated that 10 micrograms of antiprotons and 10 milligrams of positrons are locally contained within the Earth's magnetosphere at any given time

      states how much is being produced at any one time (becuase of the short time frame that the anitmatter could exist before it, say, collides with matter and annhilates.

    4. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Given that antiprotons are destroyed upon contact with normal protons, the rate of creation is likely to be higher than what we can collect. i.e. new antiprotons will be created faster than we can collect them.

      On a completely unrelated note, I worked my first internship under this guy, well under his grad student. Nice guy and smart. The grad student, nice guy but kept trying to cut out the real portion of the answer (which turned out to be why the test wasn't working as well as it was supposed to be). But I digress...

    5. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by JohnPM · · Score: 1

      becuase of the short time frame that the anitmatter could exist before it, say, collides with matter and annhilates

      The key question here is how short is this time? This is the same question that the origional poster is asking, ie "how long would it take to replenish".

      Antiparticles don't have "short time frame for existence due to their nature". They're perfectly stable until they hit some matter. That could take anything from seconds to weeks depending on the density of the van allen belt which I suspect none of us here has a clue about.

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    6. Re:Antimatter: the next exploitable resource? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key question here is how short is this time? This is the same question that the origional poster is asking, ie "how long would it take to replenish".

      Antiparticles don't have "short time frame for existence due to their nature". They're perfectly stable until they hit some matter. That could take anything from seconds to weeks depending on the density of the van allen belt which I suspect none of us here has a clue about.


      I am not an astrophysicist, but I would think it would be fairly short. As you said anti-particles are stable unless they interact with particles of normal matter. The "short life-time" alluded to in the story is probably just a simplified description based on the probablility of a given anti-particle interacting with normal matter. From a practicle point of view, it won't last too long in the Van Allen Belt.

      Given that, the fact that there are detectable quantities of anti-protons means they must be generated fairly frequently. So even if you captured every anti-proton in the whole Van Allen Belt, left undisturbed the levels would probably return to normal in less than a year. Obviously, we won't know for sure until we actually start harvesting the anti-protons, but it seems to be a reasonable theory based on what we know.

  9. Re:Website lockin! Yay! by dawnread · · Score: 0

    Well, Mozilla Firefox only opens one popup behind the main window and let me back straight out :).

  10. Extraction of.... by caino59 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Extraction of Antiparticles Concentrated in Planetary Magnetic Fields

    sounds like a pink floyd tune....

    1. Re:Extraction of.... by dawnread · · Score: 1, Funny
      Nah, s'Beatles isn't it?

      Magnetic fe-ulds for-ever!

  11. An award for a concept... by slapout · · Score: 1

    ...you sure this story isn't about the patent office? :-)

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  12. NIAC by Mad_Rain · · Score: 1

    The NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts? How about an award for acronyms within acronyms? Better yet, award someone with a better name for this organization. :P

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    1. Re:NIAC by Adelbert · · Score: 1
      This is just proof that NASA is trailing the FOSS community when it comes to acronyms. How about:

      GUG - the GIMP User Group, derived from

      GIMP - the GNU Image Manipulation Program, derived from

      GNU - a recursive acronym for GNU's Not UNIX.

      If you thought that was impressive, how about the HURD. HURD stands for "HIRD of Unix Replacing Daemons", and HIRD stands for "HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth". That's TWO MUTUALLY RECURSIVE ACRONYMS!

      Yes, NASA are definitely behind the times.

  13. What I Did During My Summer Vacation by SEWilco · · Score: 1
    'A Deep Field Infrared Observatory Near the Lunar Pole.'

    Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

    1. Re:What I Did During My Summer Vacation by thomasa · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I know you were joking but I would love to live there. Just think of the view.

  14. Idiots. Re:Antimatter: next exploitable resource? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so you harvest anti-matter and then you need to propel yourself using mass. How do you do that, anti-matter+matter = MASSLESS photons. Conversion process (cross section) to heated mass is close to zero, so after having spent all this money into building anti-matter, storing it, the efficiency of the overall system is less than conventional nuclear powered rockets... that's an achievement by most standards...Idiots.

  15. NIAC of limited utility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those who don't know, NIAC is a division of NASA put in place so that whatever outlandish idea people have, when they ask about it, someone at NASA can say, "Yeah, we've got someone looking into that." Rarely does something become usefull. In fact, I am not aware of anything ever making the transition from 'advanced concept' to 'useable technology.' Still it's comforting to know that when these ideas do become feasable, there'll be someone in government we can point to and say, "Hey weren't they supposed to be working on that?" when GE or Mitsubishi starts building the darn things.

  16. notice who's in charge... by cayle+clark · · Score: 2, Informative

    The P.I. for the "Deep Field Infrared Observatory Near the Lunar Pole" is... Roger Angel. No, not the baseball writer, the two-ell angel, but the astronomer and telescope designer from the U of A who pioneered using spun-molten-glass as a means of making huge, thin mirrors.

    Here's a story from Universe Today and one from space.com.

    1. Re:notice who's in charge... by RegularFry · · Score: 1

      Erm... That'll be spun-liquid-metal as a means of making huge mirrors, then. Not glass. Unless you know something those articles don't...

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    2. Re:notice who's in charge... by cayle+clark · · Score: 1
      In future, maybe. What (little) I know of Roger Angel's existing, completed work involves spin-casting glass, see for example
      Stewart Observatory,
      These mirrors are a radical departure from the conventional solid-glass mirrors used in the past. They are honeycomb on the inside; made out of Ohara E6-type borosilicate glass that is melted, molded and spun cast into the shape of a paraboloid in a custom-designed rotating oven.
      (emphasis added)
    3. Re:notice who's in charge... by RegularFry · · Score: 1

      Ooh... You learn something new every day. I was distracted by all the pretty pictures and didn't notice he hadn't actually worked on the LMT's mentioned.

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  17. Re:Idiots. Re:Antimatter: next exploitable resourc by kurtu5 · · Score: 1

    Bring a little bit of hydrogen with you. Duh! Use the amazingly light and compact energy source known as antimatter to heat the hydrogen up and expel it from a nozzel. Be careful about the idiot part. When you point a finger, four are pointing back at you.

  18. Re:Idiots. Re:Antimatter: next exploitable resourc by kurtu5 · · Score: 1
  19. Re:Idiots. Re:Antimatter: next exploitable resourc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuff said, you moro, this is your answer ? look, very energetic gamma-rays come off that reaction (hydrogen + antihyrdogen), look at the wikipedia for gammay ray
    "..Also, the higher the energy of the gamma rays, the thicker the shielding required. Materials for shielding gamma rays are typically illustrated by the thickness required to reduce the intensity of the gamma rays by one half (the half value layer or HVL). For example, gamma rays that require 1 cm (0.4 inches) of lead to reduce their intensity by 50% will also have their intensity reduced in half by 6 cm (2.4 inches) of concrete or 9 cm (3.6 inches) of packed dirt..."

    in other words, you need considerable mass to stop these gamma rays, which means that as soon as you expand it (in order to eject it in order to move (rocket equation)), your mass will be lower and you won't catch the gamma rays anymore.

    Welcome to the world of StarTrek idiots.

  20. Another mystery solved by mwood · · Score: 1

    I often wondered where the Federation gets all that antimatter for their spaceships to run on. Now we know: it's collected from magnetospheric convergence zones or some such [tech].

    (Hmmm, we know from "The Doomsday Machine" that the implosion of a Constitution-class ship's engine yields a measly 400-odd megatons, which probably represents about the mass of, say, a shirt button. But that's still a whole lotta antiparticles, given the nature of the things.)

  21. cant do much with $75,000 by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Thats 6 months salary and ovehead for a single mid-level engineer.

  22. A NIAC technology that works NOW: hydrino energy by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    A few years back, NIAC funded a study of a propulsion system based on hydrino energy (where hyrdogen atoms are shrunk to a size smaller than the conventional ground state, in the process releasing 2-3 orders of magnitude more energy than you'd get from combustion of the same amount of hydrogen).

    The project was successful. You can read a summary here:
    http://users.rowan.edu/~marchese/blr.html

    and more details here:
    http://users.rowan.edu/~marchese/final-niac.pdf
    http://users.rowan.edu/~marchese/finalpres.pdf

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  23. Re:Idiots. Re:Antimatter: next exploitable resourc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should be careful with calling people idiots, cause it really does boomerang back.

    To help this discussion out, you can propel yourself purely on photons alone, not only that, but photons have been caulculated to be 100% efficient in the ratio of imparted energy and the from that created impulse (thrust). In the case of antimatter drives using purely the gammarays though, there are definitly some problems in hadnling those gammarays, very serious ones infact. No idea if you can fix them enough to produce usable thrust either, but it definitly is possible in principle though.

  24. More useful stuff... by Goonie · · Score: 1
    We could also use them for useful stuff, like antimatter-catalyzed fission-fusion drives or even the antimatter initiated microfusion drive.

    And, yes, the same ideas - using antimatter to trigger fusion - could be used to make some "cool" weapons. Notably, small nuclear weapons that don't emit fallout. The political consequences of having nuclear weapons that don't emit fallout available I leave to the reader...

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