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Open Solaris Derivative Available

tezbobobo writes "Well, Open Solaris has only been available a matter of days and already there are new projects available. SchilliX is an OpenSolaris-based live CD and distribution that is intended to help people discover OpenSolaris. When installed on a hard drive, it also allows developers to develop and compile code in a pure OpenSolaris environment. More details are available on the author's blog."

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  1. Been in dev for some time. by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thursday, March 24, 2005
    Pure OpenSolaris boots on x86
    Today, I have been able to boot from a disk that was empty before I did install a self compiled OpenSolaris on it.

    So we now reached a certain limit that makes it possible to start with creating a OpenSolaris based x86 distribution at BerliOS.

  2. Torrents by RickPartin · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case the Open Solaris site goes down or you just don't feel like clicking two links on the page

    Torrents!

  3. echo OpenSolaris | sed s/O// | sed s/Solar// by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Enough said.

    1. Re:echo OpenSolaris | sed s/O// | sed s/Solar// by vsprintf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why don't you learn how to use `sed` properly before trying to be funny:

      The AC sed it wasn't funny? Seriously, the people I know who can use sed correctly don't have a sense of humor. They also tend to use emacs instead of the superior vi. :)

  4. Re:Derivation on the purest form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It seems just a cut-down version (text only) of Solaris, so where's the improvement?

    The improvement is that it's a LiveCD.

  5. Yes but... by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 4, Funny

    does it have cdrecord?

  6. When I choose ___ OS, it is because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is the *primary* reason anyone would use Open Solaris over Linux, *BSD, and Windows?

    When I use Linux, it is because I am hosting/running existing software like Trac/Subversion/PostgreSQL/... which appear most heavily used/tested on Linux than any other platform.

    When I use FreeBSD, it is because I am hosting/running/distributing my own software and I don't want to deal with LGPL requirements regarding binaries linked to LGPL C libs (yes, I consultant an IP attorney about differences between GPL and LGPL requirements and also consulted FSF.ORG).

    When I use Windows, it is because I am running software that is not available on either FreeBSD or Linux. And also for distributing software on a platform that has the largest marketshare.

    When I use Open Solaris, it is because ???

    1. Re:When I choose ___ OS, it is because... by njcoder · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The OpenSolaris license is the CDDL. It is not a viral license like the GPL. It was derived from the Mozilla Public License.

      OpenSolaris is based off of the Solaris Next source tree which is the working codebase after (and built on code from) Solaris 10. I've run PostgreSQL 7.3, 7.4 and 8.0 on Solaris. http://www.sunfreeware.com/ has Subversion binaries. As for Trac it should compile fine. Solaris has a lot of development behind it and a lot of resources from Sun. OpenSolaris is still in its early stages though. Solaris 10 (the commercial one) might be a good fit for your hosting/running apps instead of FreeBSD. Solaris 10 is free to use but not open source. For distributing OpenSolaris might be a good choice but it was just released and not quite all the code is out there.

      The CDDL is a per file license so unless you're hacking the actual OpenSolaris code it should serve the needs you have for using the BSD's. Some different benchmarks (like the mysql os benchmark) showed Solaris doint better than FreeBSD. Different independant benchmarks (think zdnet had some and different ISV's) show that the new Solaris can even hold it's own against Linux.

      Though you'd probably want to consult a lawyer or at least check out the cddl faq and not just take my opinion.

    2. Re:When I choose ___ OS, it is because... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why run OpenSolaris:

      Tools like DTrace. The ability to scale to large numbers of processors. A security model that is quite strong. A stable code base. A reasonable license. Decent management tools; a server mindset.

      There's nothing all that revolutionary about it; it doesn't so much as fill a hole as provide another choice. Personally I see it as something to use when I would have used *BSD but I don't want to deal with the politics...

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    3. Re:When I choose ___ OS, it is because... by Curtman · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The OpenSolaris license is the CDDL. It is not a viral license like the GPL

      Too bad they fucked up the Sun Contributor Agreement

      2. You hereby assign to Sun joint ownership in all worldwide common law and statutory rights associated with the copyrights, copyright applications and copyright registrations in Your Contribution, to the extent allowable under applicable local laws and copyright conventions, and agree never to assert against Sun any "moral rights" therein. You understand that
      (i) this Agreement may be submitted by Sun to register a copyright in Your Contribution, and
      (ii) Sun may exercise all rights as a copyright owner of Your Contribution. This Agreement supersedes and replaces all prior copyright assignments for Contributions made by You to Sun. Neither party has any duty whatsoever to render an accounting to the other party for any use of a Contribution.

      If I contribute to Linux, I don't have to assign the copyright to Linus.
    4. Re:When I choose ___ OS, it is because... by njcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If you read that quote directly, the licensor has to specifically state "any later version" in the license. "If each program lacked the indirect pointer, we would be forced to discuss the change at length with numerous copyright holders, which would be a virtual impossibility. In practice, the chance of having uniform distribution terms for GNU software would be nil."

      So if the file doesn't say "Version 2 of the GPL or any later version" then that clause does not apply.

      If you look at the linux kernel readme it says "It is distributed under the GNU General Public License - see the 19 accompanying COPYING file for more details. "

      Also note that in the COPYING file it specifically states

      "Also note that the only valid version of the GPL as far as the kernel is concerned is _this_ particular version of the license (ie v2, not v2.2 or v3.x or whatever), unless explicitly otherwise stated."
      And there were only a couple files I found that explicityly stated it.

      Next time, know what you're talking to before you call bullshit. This is from the 2.6.11 kernel. I didn't look at 2.6.12

  7. author is well known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You might know the author from cdrecord. He has a rather low opinion of the ide-scsi/ide-cd component of the kernel in general and Linus in particular. Good to see him where he is happy.

    And solaris has a kick-ass kernel, no doubt about that. Debian/SunOS is the ultimate Unix environment in my mind. One day it will become reality, or so I hope...

    1. Re:author is well known by vsprintf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You might know the author from cdrecord. He has a rather low opinion of the ide-scsi/ide-cd component of the kernel in general and Linus in particular. Good to see him where he is happy.

      If you have any evidence to support your claim that he has ever been happy, quite a few of us would like to see it. Or maybe all those caustic replys to mailing lists are a sign of hidden joy?

  8. Re:Oh great, let the fun begin by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly i think your Jumping the gun a little. This wont happen to solaris , solaris will always be solaris and compatible with itself . If this distros goes so far as to be incompatible with Solaris main then it will cease to be a solaris.
    Solaris is an OS as opposed to linux which is just a kernel

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  9. What really disappoints me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...is that there were those of us in Sun who wanted to do this kind of thing 5 years ago, but the pointy-hairs just didn't get it. There was talk of a GNU/Solaris as well.

    The pointy-hairs did get it eventually, but they RIF'd us and let external people do it instead. Meanwhile millions of $s of R&D money was wasted on stupid projects that were not needed, ill-concieved, cancelled, etc.

  10. Re:Derivation on the purest form by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Text only is a vast improvement to CDE ;)

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  11. Re:whats the difference ? by node+3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    between solaris and linux ?

    One sucks, and the other doesn't.

    Or it might be the other way around.

  12. Re:BSD, Linux and now Solaris-derivatives.. by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And Darwin.

    Battle of *nix(es) is on!!

    This time, it's all open (amazing!).

    This time, everyone's a winner.

  13. Re:whats the difference ? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are two different OS and run on different kernels for a start(note that linux is just a kernel anyway)
    Linux has a broader compatibility with x86 hardware
    Solaris has by default a better permissions system
    Linux is under the GNU GPL and thus a little freer than OpenSolaris
    Solaris has far better NFS support , not that you would notice unless your running with allot of clients
    Solaris is certified POSIX complient and linux is just pretty much POSIX compliant (mainly due to the cost of being declared posix compliant , and the rate the linux kernel evolves)
    Those are some of many many many differences.

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  14. Re:Derivation on the purest form by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems just a cut-down version (text only) of Solaris, so where's the improvement?

    It's a milestone.

    After months (years?) of "show us the code" from the /. crowd, this sort of makes Open Solaris real.

  15. OSS? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... majority of the OSS community is made up of ego driven men striving to be the alpha.

    No need to smear the OSS community. That describes the non-OSS community perfectly also.

    There are people who hack for the love of it, and there are people who write code because they have a vision of making the world a better place through better technology... you just don't hear about them too much. They don't feel the need to self-promote.

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  16. Re:Oh great, let the fun begin by njcoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    " Yes, Linux is such a "mess" that Sun have been _forced_ to copy it !" Actually, it looks like the reverse is already starting to happen. And in the past the linux kernel guys were able to get info from solaris and solaris engineers. here Some comments are negative some are positive but Solaris is mentioned the most by far out of any of the commercial Unixes. I can't find the link right now but I remember someone saying that back in the day Sun was a lot more open with it's technology. Sun engineers would publish info about their hardware and software. Especially when someone was having some sort of trouble. Then they got a little more closed down. Probably when they were making a ton of money. Sounds like Scott McNealy recognizes that and wants Sun to go back to being more open.

  17. You're an idiot! by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He does cdrecord, not xcdroast. And he does use open standards, that's why it works on several unix OSs. Just because linux developers make some random change does not mean its magically an "open standard", its non-standard, linux-specific behaviour. Linux making random stupid changes and not informing people who use the now altered API is entirely the fault of linux developers. If you don't like it, use an OS that doesn't do this, or complain to the linux developers who created the problem.

  18. Re:whats the difference ? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

    IT was ment to be a-lot , shouldn't leave spell checker on auto correct

    If you meant ment to mean meant, you should leave the spell checker on auto-correct or allot a lot more time to your dictionary.

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