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Google vs. Yahoo: On a Collision Course
An anonymous reader writes "It's pretty clear from this analysis as to which company is ahead of the game. Take this simple comparison: at Google, engineers are expected to spend one day a week on a project of personal interest. This has resulted in new offerings like Google News and social networking site Orkut. At Yahoo, there are posters promoting the "Idea Factory", where employees are invited to well, submit ideas (read boring)."
But at least those of us without 4.0 GPAs and PhD's can work there.
I wonder how much of this has to do with Yahoo's age. Yahoo has been around long enough to become a more "standard" company. One that eventually loses touch with its grassroots beginnings and has to take it's catchy phrases from travelling self-help speakers. Google is probably headed that way, but for now they seem to have a few original ideas left in their backpacks.
Google for Google. Google that Googles.
Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
Or are Yahoo! and Google somehow worth billions of $(US) by selling banner ads.
"I do believe that Google will hit a wall eventually, and it will hit it spectacularly," said the book author Moore. "The real question is: What will it do then?"
Can't they just do it, and get it over with. I'm starting to get tired of all the fuzz about them now a days.
Scully: Should we arrest David Copperfield?
Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
Remember when Google said they weren't going to become a portal, and while they have tons of innovation, their 'personalized home page' and email service are starting to feel just like that. Are they just trying to avoid being 'tagged' as one thing and instead trying to retain their own personality? From what I've seen they've taken the leadership role from Yahoo years ago, so I wouldn't worry about anyone trying to piegeon-hole them; they are their own entity and a driving force for the Internet as a whole. Will be interesting to see what Google looks like in 10 years, heck, we'll be able to say "When I was a kid, Google was a search engine, that's it"
bad_outlook
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Is this vague enough for you?
that ask people to stop submitting google pages with "Yahoo" photoshopped over "Google."
Google + Yahoo = Twingine (formerly the much better sounding yagoohoogle)
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
Doesn't take a whole lot of brain cells to grasp that.
Then again, ZDNet publishes Dvorak, so go figure...
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Yahoo has been around for a long time. I used them as far back as 95ish. I can't remember when my.yahoo.com came along but I have been a long time user since. However, anyone remember the Denial of Service attacks back in ~2001(?), since then I have been using google, msn, jeeves, in fact all search engines as I was so ingrained into yahoo that I couldn't even search using other engines. But really, the search aspect is such a low priority now that I don't care what engine I use; the real draw of yahoo is the integration of my.yahoo. Google has just now started getting that integration but yahoo has done this for years. I don't think that google will be able to overcome that time/gap that yahoo had in creating it's service. In the long run I believe yahoo will win out.
I don't know about Yahoo!, but Google pulled in $3.2 billion from their ad service last year.
First an idea factory... Next thing you know, yahoo!'s going to be putting up 'Let your imagination soar' posters in the break room. Revenue should double. But, if they really want do dominate the internet, yahoo is going to have to spring for the 'employees must wash hands' poster in the bathroom. While typhus and ringworm bring google to its knees, the clean handed geniuses at Yahoo! laugh all the way to the bank.
IMHO the idea behind this article is just plain dumb. It would be like an article saying that in 5 years we won't have ABC and CBS or Disney Land AND 6 Flags. I use Yahoo AND Google every day, and I think I'm not alone.
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Google and Yahoo are much different companies today and part of working at either business means understanding really what each company is trying to do. Google is a technology company; Yahoo is now a media company. The biggest difference, however, is this:
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Google makes money by keeping people on their website for as short a time as possible. Yahoo makes money by keeping people on their website for as long as possible. The Internet traffic statistics are quite telling.
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Can what is formed say to that who formed it, "Why have you made me thus?"
Hah, at first I thought it was a search engine for Latina women.
Another one bites the dust
Google, engineers are expected to spend one day a week on a project of personal interest.
AT&T top management tried this in Dallas in the 90's until a manager took them at their word and enforced the 1/5 rule. The resultant loss in overall productivity quickly caught managements eye and the policy was quietly curtailed.
Cloned foods give the statement "We had that last week!" a whole new meaning.
...is the lesson I learned getting my degree in Interactive Media Design. I don't see Yahoo and Google in competition as much as simply different services. Some of their departments cross over, but I use Gooogle for finding just about anything and email, while Yahoo is my portal to movie listings, my stock quote and a place to store bookmarks, notes and calendar based events.
It really depends on what you're looking for in most of the areas of service from each company. Google seems more interesting in refining ways to search and pioneering new uses for the internet. On the other hand, Yahoo is where I go for a remote login PDA. I'd like Google to provide notes/calendar features, but if they don't then I'm happy with a 2GB inbox, picture uploading, specialized searches and nifty maps. I'll just use Yahoo as an internet organizer.
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That's why they call it R&D.
The risk is definitely there, but what you get from letting your employees go on seredipitous excursions once a week is potentially more valuable than profitable ideas: you get very happy employees. Google already has a rep for hiring only the best and brightest -- seems like they have a good way of holding on to them, as well.
Size of the entire internet man,
Usually kind to smaller man,
Google Man.
Yahoo Man, Yahoo Man,
Hit on the head with a frying pan,
lives his life in a garbage can.
Yahoo man.
Google Man and Yahoo Man,
Meet on the street in internet land,
They have a fight,
Google wins.
Google Man.
I am waiting for a company for the courage of its convictions. The company that won't sell it's soul for the NASDAQ. Maybe it's Google. Maybe it's not.
I like Google 'cause they are GOOD. Good at what they do. Yahoo is worthless as a portal and a search engine.
Stay with it boys and girls. Don't be a NASDAQ whore. Take the long view. Ignore the market. Do what the geeks do best.
Choice is good.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Google is like the annoying smart kid that sits in the first row of class. Yahoo's in that class too, watching the smart kid get all the glory, and it can do nothing about it. It's time for Yahoo to either change classrooms or start studying.
*blinking cursor*
What Yahoo still seems to be missing is that brand really matters. And brand is related to trust and doing the right thing by customers.
Take their Yahoo! music engine for example. A nice piece of software. But I, along with many I'd hope, are tired of downloading software to find it installs lots of other largely bugus but "required" junk. This is exactly the adware phenomenon that drives people nuts.
Of course, the Yahoo Music engine REQUIRES yahoo messenger to play music as a dependency (and no doubt will add more "requirements" in the future to increase revenue). Obviously, they saw a chance to push garbage that people wouldn't otherwise download.
In the end, this reflects on your brand. Either you are the company that respects my communication preferences, or you "update" them, and set them all to send me spam, and claim it is in enhancement (Yahoo).
Either you provide me with a cool music engine, or you "enhance" it with unrelated downloads.
Bottom line, many of us don't have the time or interest to sort out if we are going to get screwed over. The $6/month for the music engine is irrelevant actually for me, that is free. But the trust / hassle, and just being able to get what I want without tons of junk, that matters a lot.
If my mother, who is not as quickly able to uninstall stuff, downloads music engine, and then has messenger sitting forever in her taskbar, that sucks. Thankfully, I can tell her to download itunes, and she will have a clean and good experience. Neither she nor the queen of england want to be bothered with Yahoo! Messenger crap.
Pretty soon, folks like my mom, and myself, will trust Apple / Google, and when they release stuff, be happy to try it on the premise we are less likely to be screwed. Yahoo has a history in the other direction.
So I don't begrude Yahoo it's right to bundle a nice music engine with whatever other stuff it wants to load it with. I just don't
understand it. In the end, the company that develops products to deliver junk as its goal will fail to a company that developes a product that delivers what people want. I mean, are you putting
together a music service or not? If so, focus on the damn music part.
Long term I think this brand power will really matter, and Yahoo's history relative to Google put google in a good spot.
Wow you don't know anything about how Google works. The skunk works time that is set aside is by design. Its not a "perk". Its how they stay ahead of the game inovatively. They only hire really really smart people (PhD's) to begin with. So basically everyone there IS a genius. Also the creators of skunk work projects are allocated extra shares of Google to reward them for their creativity.
Its not in any way something "allowed" to mollify the masses.
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They need to open an office in Chicago
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I'm in Chicago as well. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that Google Jobs has postings for a new office to be opening in Chicago! Don't believe me? Look here. I just hope you have a PHD in triplet if you want to apply.
(Actually, I think Google probably hires 99% of their people through reference or because they worked at other big tech companies. I did some research to see if they have ever hired anyone from the Job postings on their website and came up empty. It may be just because these things are not publicized, but my gut says that emailing to jobs@google.com is a pointless exercise.)
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The scene: A collision.
Idiot #1: "Hey! You got your Google in my Yahoo!"
Idiot #2: "Dude! You got your Yahoo in my Google!"
Together: "Yuuuuum..."
Mr. Announcer Man: "Goohoo, two great tastes that go great together!"
Google might be a lot more innovative than Yahoo! But it's not like Yahoo! are going out of business.
/. say they aren't innovative but they still seem to making a tidy profit.
Look at Microsoft - many here on
Well, I've heard/read from other sources that Google is the "Wal-Mart" of the internet, in the sense that they don't pay well. (And if I'm wrong, please correct me.)
Working for a cutting-edge company (and working on "skunk works" projects) would be a great experience -- but it's probably not for everyone.
In my short career, I haven't ran into too many people that think of ideas that they want to build. The majority of people just want to put in an honest day and go home. And that's okay.
(I, on the other hand, have a start-up as a side-project -- in addition to my day job -- because of my relentless curosity. I'm just an uber-geek.)
Synchronize your calendar and mobile phone via text messaging.
There's always a tug-of-war happening in tech companies with respect to innovation. It seems to me that the best companies have people that take a long-term view, looking ahead at what's coming down the pipe, instead of the short-term quarter-by-quarter view. This can be hard in a public company, yes, and it's a difficult balance to achieve.
That said, I don't think everyone likes skunk works projects. The important thing is that people enjoy what they do, whatever it is. A good QA person, for example, is one who derives satisfaction from finding and squashing bugs and ultimately making things better for the customer. Different strokes for different folks. A company like Google will tend to attract the creative I-gotta-think-about-things types because that's what they want. But it doesn't meant that every company has to work that way. Indeed, I doubt every company could work that way.
And don't forget the customer satisfaction angle. I suspect that what really turns the crank of people at Google is that they can come up with projects that will eventually be used by thousands, potentially millions, of people worldwide. They're thinking like customers, and in fact they are customers themselves... and Google's audience is so large in general that I suspect it means that there will always be a group of customers who can identify and enjoy a given skunk works project. And then the audience gets bigger... it's a bit self-perpetuating.
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What else would you use to promote innovation? Posters in the restroom? Inspirational speeches by top management? Innovation is about allowing your employees to have lots of ideas, trying them out, and be open to take the few that really work, making billions out of them. Sure, this process can be terribly inefficient and expensive if poorly managed, but Google is probably smarter than that. Also, innovation is about smart, creative people having time to think and having little fear to be wrong. When you give the opportunity to innovate to the top talent Google hires, you cannot help but go well beyond your competitors. Guaranteed.
I'm not saying they will not screw up the business side, and go under. I'm saying that, in the technical side, their setup is just perfect. I cannot think of a better way of building an innovation juggernaut.
So, you are saying that most, if not all, of the PhD's are geniuses? From what I have seen after 27 years in high tech is that a PhD is someone who avoided work until there were no more degrees to get. Never confuse a degree with intelligence.
"Yahoo, many analysts believe, is entering a new era as a media company rather than a tech innovator. It's been building a Hollywood headquarters and an entertainment team under newly hired Lloyd Braun, a former ABC executive" They hired Lloyd Braun? I hate Lloyd Braun. You know they say that he cost Mayor Dinkins the election.......
Gmail may not be "all that" to you but for many people - myself included - the combination of a 2.3Gb inbox and POP3 access is revolutionary. I used to use Yahoo! mail - I stopped when they started spamming me on a regular basis then stated I had to pay for POP access - a practice they continue, (as do Hotmail now as well despite using a non-standards compliant system) - to this day.
In a race between free and pay-for-spam, free's going to win every time. If only Gmail had IMAP, (I'd pay for that too)
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
I'm just sayin...
Chris
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.