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Microsoft Cuts Anti-Virus Support For Unix / Linux

jasonmicron writes "As previously reported on Slashdot, Microsoft has completed the aquisition of Sybari Software this morning. Before the ink was even dry, Microsoft cut all new antivirus support for all Unix and Linux definitions. Current customers will continue to receive support but new customers will not have the option to purchase the software under Unix / Linux. From TFA: Post acquisition, Syabri becomes a Microsoft subsidiary focusing on marketing anti-virus and anti-spam protection for Microsoft messaging and collaboration servers. It will continue to market Sybari's Lotus Domino products but will not sell Antigen versions for Unix and Linux."

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  1. And you're surprised by this... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And you're surprised by this why?

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    1. Re:And you're surprised by this... by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I should be surprised that noone at the DoJ Anti Trust division is pricking up their ears about this.

      Then I remembered who runs the DoJ....

    2. Re:And you're surprised by this... by TangoCharlie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was my _second_ resonse!

      My first one was....

      So, how many people used the unix/linux version
      to scan for unix/linux viruses? Erm... very few.

      I would imagine that anyone using an anti-virus system under unix/linux is using the unix/linux
      box to scan Samba shares and/or Windows networks.

      That's what I do. I use Sophos anti-virus on a linux box to serve the Sophos updates to Windows boxes.

      Additionally, how many people are reaslistically going to _buy_ anti-virus software for linux from Microsoft????!!! Would you?

      There is one serious point here though...... if Microsoft starts bundling anti-virus software with thier operating systems, how long until Sophos/McAfee/Symantec/MessageLabs/AVG go the same way as Netscape?

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    3. Re:And you're surprised by this... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Umm, Last time I checked Microsoft has no monopoly in the Anti-Virus market. Besides if you are talking about its monopoly in the PC OS market, this move hardly affects it one way or another.

      This will be picked up by DOJ's anti-trust dept, only if they embed their AV in the OS and distribute it freely, making it harder for other AV companies like Nortan/Symantex to sell their products.

      I am not their fan either, but they are withing their rights here, Besides who really needs a AV for unix anyway ?

      Ofcourse your point about who owning the DOJ makes every thing moot.

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    4. Re:And you're surprised by this... by terrymr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Monopoly or not in the antivirus market, buying up makers of other software to stop them from making products for competing operating systems is still questionable behavior.

    5. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Guillermito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even though a Unix/Linux server may not need the protection of antivirus software, it still makes sense to run antivirus software on them.

      For example, if the Unix/Linux box is a mail server you can run all routed messages through an antivirus filter before delivering them to Windows machines.

    6. Re:And you're surprised by this... by mrscorpio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is a *nix A/V product a "redundant line" for MS? Or in other words, what MS *nix A/V product is MS keeping in favor of this one? Further, a *nix A/V product does not compete with a MS A/V product anymore than MS Office for Windows would compete with MS Office for Linux. Would a bookseller selling German language Bibles be cannibalizing their own market by selling English language ones?

    7. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're confusing vertical and horizontal integration.

      When Dahmler-Chrysler was formed, two companies that competed in the same space with the same type of products got rid of redundant offering within the same space. This is horizontal integration. This is not what Microsoft did.

      When Standard Oil bought up all the producers of oil barrels to deny their competitors access, it was performing vertical integration to remove tools needed by competitors. This is what Microsoft did.

      Microsoft has bought a product that makes UNIX and Linux servers more attractive by giving them needed security protections and has destroyed it for the express purpose of making UNIX and Linux servers less attractive. This is similar to what Standard Oil did only a little less drastic because you can still sell and use non-Windows servers without virus protection unlike oil without barrels to carry it in.

      Whether this is an antitrust violation is a question for experts in the area, but it's certainly anticompetitive behavior.

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    8. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Brushfireb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When Standard Oil bought up all the producers of oil barrels to deny their competitors access, it was performing vertical integration to remove tools needed by competitors. This is what Microsoft did.

      Certainly I see your point. But you are taking it one step too far. Microsoft didnt buy ALL of the makers for unix / linux antivirus. They bought a single one.

      I think your assumption/point would be correct had Microsoft purchased all of the AV databases available on the market. Then this would prevent anyone from having AV support who wasnt using a MS product. That is the only comparable situation to your case with Standard Oil.

      I realize this is slashdot, and MS bashing is Standard Operating Practice (tm), but COME ON. If google makes an aquisition, its fantastic. If MS does it, its monopoly? B.S.

      Next Please.

    9. Re:And you're surprised by this... by AaronGTurner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS may feel that the personnel deployed on the Linux and Unix work would be better deployed elsewhere, or let go to save money. It isn't a case of 'redundant line' but efficiencies and core business. Linux anti-virus software is not part of MS's core business. It may mean that other firms wishing to recruit staff to work on Linux anti-virus may be able to cherry pick, though.

    10. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cutting off their nose to spite their face mayhaps?

      Nope. The virus scanners have to be bought, so if MS has killed the linux choice, then you will be buying a windows server to scan viruses. This is leveraging a monopoly, pure and simple.

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    11. Re:And you're surprised by this... by DenDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The best reason to have an AV for *nix is indeed to have a safe box on your Dowz(tm) network from which you can scan and control the zombification.

      With this step, they effectivly destroyed a reasonably good platform from which companies were doing this. It is anticompetitive behaviour and it don't matter one hoot because there will always be alternatives. The REAL Problem is that Microsoft is actually patenting and acquiring patents to virus methods. This makes the usage of virus definitions for other companies problematic, clearly with the intent of cornering the market and targeting a specific group of users.

      Just like the pharmaceutical industry where strains of bugs become "intellectual property", virus definitions and methods are becoming the "next big thing" for Mickeyshaft and consorts. As M$ is spreading the word about their entrance into the virus sphere, you better bet that every little av/fw software company is doings its best to expand its "intellectual property" portfolio, grooming themselves to be acquired.

      This is the next big thing, this is the "killer app" for the last half of the decade and this is the most direct threat to users at large, across all platforms, so for frying fritters sake, I hope the DoJ isn't sleeping....

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  2. Whee! I looooove monopolieeees!!! by Rimbo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    *sigh*

  3. Re:Whee! I looooove monopolieeees!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, if you're so upset, start your own Unix anti-virus company. Not so easy now, is it? It's always easier to complain than to do something.

  4. I'm tired of this crap by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Truly, if this stuff was allowed to go on in other industries we would barely be out of the stone chisel stage. Something needs to happen to bring the PC world to it's knees so that things start to shape up.

    All of this in-fighting and patents/closed source/non-standardization needs to end... and NO Linux is not the be-all-end-all solution as it is just as bad at times.

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    1. Re:I'm tired of this crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nice rant. But you offered more generalizations when asked for details. For example - what are your fundimental flaws that have existed for 10 years without a fix?

  5. Unix Viruses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably due to the lack of viruses/customers.

  6. Okay, Okay by brotherscrim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know lots of people here are going to cry foul, but come on: Who was gonna buy anti-virus software for linux from Microsoft?

  7. so what by jwegy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They don't sale or support Unix or Linux. What is the problem? They need to focus on their customers. That makes plenty of business sense.

    1. Re:so what by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They don't sale or support Unix or Linux. What is the problem? They need to focus on their customers. That makes plenty of business sense.

      Because, for a company which has been demonstrated to have predatory business practices, buying a company who makes software for your competitors, and dropping support for those companies might be perceived as bad.

      What if they bought a company who made only Mac software, just so they could discontinue support for Mac's? In the short run they could say "we're going to port it to Windows", and then in the long run say "ooops, it didn't work. We're abandoning that altogether".

      The suspicious among us (me included) might think they chose a company which would have an impact on Linux.
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    2. Re:so what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It does make sense, but mostly in the monopoly-maintaining (read: illegal) way. Not so far as to be able to call them to the carpet, just SOP.

      Microsoft is a software company, they can make more money by selling more products to more people. You say that they need to support their customers, but most businesses will go out of their way to get MORE customers to support. You would think that MS Office would be available for every platform in existance. With the right portable programming techniques (.net!) it might be doable, and you would have more potential customers. That would probably put a huge dent in OOo's takeup that way.

      The same goes for this antivirus product. Unix still has good popularity in the server market, so a product made for mail servers would be an appropriate thing to consider for a Unix port. You get a noticible increase in the number of available customers. Even better, it's already written, so they just have to maintain and update it.

      Now, their legit counterargument is that supporting Unices is more expensive do to wider variability in configuration. Between that and the smaller market, they can claim that it isn't worth their time and get away with it. Realistically, they avoid supporting Unix for the single purpose of maintaining their Windows monopoly. They will do anything to prevent alternatives from becoming popular. They use their monopolies as mutually-supporting, with Windows as the cornerstone.

      The fact that they base something like this decision not on revenue, but on monopoly-maintenance is what we can cry foul about. It's illegal, if nothing else. Whether allowing their monopoly and hoping the market fixes itself eventually is OK, or if we should demand that the government protect consumers by enforcing anti-trust laws is a matter for debate.

  8. Well, Duh! by overshoot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Talk about making a strategic value out of your own product's flaws:
    1. MSWindows machines draw malware like crap draws flies
    2. Sysadmins install filters on their *nix mail servers to shield the (vulnerable|culpable) MSWin machines
    3. MS buys up any company producing filters for *nix servers
    4. MS shuts down the *nix side of the business
    5. MS then sells MS servers because they're the only ones that can protect the MS clients.
    6. Profit! (Not to mention more market dominance)
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  9. Bad for Micro$oft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This just means that more viruses that affect Micro$oft systems will be lying around on *NIX boxes. Micro$oft has just created a safe haven for viruses that they no longer patrol. I wonder how long it will be before Micr$oft declares that *NIX is the problem, because the unprotected *NIX boxes keep infecting Micro$oft boxes. Every OS should be on the lookout for viruses that can infect ANY OS. This is gonna bite Micro$oft in the butt. You heard it here first from Anonymous Coward!!!

  10. Re:Whee! I looooove monopolieeees!!! by n0-0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly I think the parent was commenting on the practice of buying out the competition. Or, more acurately in this case, buying up a supplier for the competition so you can cut their legs out from under them. On a larger scale it's the exact kind of practice that prompted the creation of anti-trust laws in the US. Of course this is a niche product, so I'd leave it to a lawyer to determine how much anti-trust law applies.

  11. Re:No big loss either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ah, just what Microsoft wanted a list of more companies to buy.

    Once their work is finished, there will be no Linux antivirus tools left, so windows will be more secure!

  12. Re:sounds like an admission by Microsoft by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one used these products to stop Linux/Unix machines from getting compromised. This software was run on Linux/Unix machines to stop Windows clients they served from getting compromised. It filled a real need, if one filled by other products as well. MS killed them because it probably plans to integrate the functionality into its Windows server offerings and does not like offering software that does not lock you in to their OS's.

  13. Why *buy* anti-virus software when ClamAV is free? by Richard+Lamont · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are a couple of good reasons for having anti-virus software on a unix/linux mail server, even though they don't get viruses. First, it can protect Windows email clients. Second, anti-virus software can also pick up things like phishing emails, which are platform-agnostic.

    Fortunately, good quality free (speech and beer) anti-virus software is available from http://www.clamav.net/ - and it's packaged in many linux distros.

  14. Shot in the foot? by lurch84 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If the Unix virus scanners were intended to stop the spread of Windows malware, couldn't this potentially lead to MS shooting themselves in the foot?

  15. Re:Hey, it's a smart move by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um. Most viruses come in via Email. SMART large companies do NOT run M$ as their external mail servers. They do anti-spam and anti-virus on the external mail gateways, usually some form of UNIX + Sendmail (sendmail with mimedefang and spamassassin running on linux here).

  16. Re:Really odd by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's just good business sense. If you could cripple your competitors' OSes while acquiring things you wanted, wouldn't you do it?

    It is also blatantly illegal under the Sherman Act in this case. Don't hold you breath until the DOJ takes action though, we also saw them bought and paid for years ago.

  17. Re:Really odd by Omnifarious · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, I thought the free market was supposed to encourage things that were good for customers. It doesn't seem like crippling competitors by taking away features helps anybody but the company that does it. Sounds like a market failure to me.

  18. Cutting off their nose to spite their face by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I hate to say this but UNIX and Linux do not get viruses.

    Virus detection programs on UNIX or Linux are usually deployed on mail servers that kill the viruses before they hit Windows-based mail clients.

    Therefore, cutting support puts Windows mail clients connected to UNIX mail servers at threat.

    Stupid, stupid decision from a company that claims to be serious about security.

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  19. So what? by pjbass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Companies buy other companies all the time, and make decisions that will impact a group of end users every time. The reason this is such breaking news on /., IMO, is that it's Microsoft "appearing" to give the shaft to *nix platforms. I'm sure MS didn't say "let's buy this company so we can stick it to the Linux guys." They have made unethical decisions before, but this would have been just stupid business sense. The primary reason they purchased this company, as the article states, is to have anti-virus technology for their messenger components. Why invest time and resources internally to develop something when they can just buy the technology already working? Cutting support for *nix was just a bonus. In all reality, would it make better business sense for them to continue developing and supporting software for the OS's that directly compete with them? No!

    Some people may recall a company called Sequent. Here's a perfect example of a company who had a great product, and threatened a titan in the industry (IBM). IBM purchased them, took the technology that they wanted (low-level locking that exists in AIX 5L today), and trashed the rest of the company. It left all the PTX customers out to dry. But why would they care to continue developing PTX on Sequent platforms when they wanted to advance their POWER-based servers running AIX?

    This is really nothing exciting IMO. So Microsoft acquired a company and dropped support for *nix. That is the most logical thing they could have done with the acquisition. Please try again for interesting news instead of touting the "you bastards!" picket sign outside the Evil Empire's headquarters.

  20. Not the first time they've done this by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They bought out RAV a few years ago and buried Linux support. After that things got even worse.

    We switched to Vexira from Central Command. Midway through our contract, CC was kind enough to tell us we had to upgrade to their new software, and by the way, you have less than a week to do it. This was between Christmas and New Years. Did I say the the new software didn't support our existing OS? (RH 7.2, patches from Progeny.)

    Every time we've used proprietary AV software we've gotten screwed.

    Solution: apt-get install clamav.

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  21. BFD by DoctorPepper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I wanted to run Microsoft software, I'd be running Windows instead of Linux, now wouldn't I?

    Besides, do you really trust Microsoft enough to use an anti-virus product from them?

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  22. Re:Why AV on Linux/Unix? by paranoidgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A funny thought here ... in the end MS products will be affected. When they ( MS ) cut their line of AV support for Linux/Unix what happens in the the MS workstations on the other side get the viruses. Arent they just shooting them self in the foot ?

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  23. That's Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's how it works. Deal with it or get the fuck out of our country, you fuking communist!

    In other news, MSFT just sold all your customer data to some fucking company in Qatar. "It was good business," said Microsoft CEO Stever Ballmer.

  24. Re:here we go again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "even though you know you'd do the exact same thing if you were microsoft"

    Microsoft is not a person.