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Microbes That Produce Miniature Electrical Wires

anukit writes "Researchers at the University of Massachusetts Amherst have discovered a tiny biological structure that is highly electrically conductive. This breakthrough helps describe how microorganisms can clean up groundwater and produce electricity from renewable resources. It may also have applications in the emerging field of nanotechnology, which develops advanced materials and devices in extremely small dimensions."

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  1. Possible cyberjack material? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Interesting read...the first thing that came to my mind when I read this is that these organic wires may be just the thing for the interface between electronics and organic tisue. One of the major problems in cybernetics is that the chemistry of the implants tends to be poisonous to the surrounding tissue, while the chemistry of the surrounding tisue tends to be corrosive to the implant. Over time, the interface degrades and must eventually be replaced. Microbial nanowires may eliminate this problem and pave the way for permanent interfaces sooner than we thought.

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    1. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by lahuard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why only connect? Couldn't these be used to make actual muscles and organs that respond to electric signals from the brain?

    2. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by ATLgerm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does this mean we'll be able to get wikipedia on an implant? Wait, would just anyone be able to edit it? ^o^

    3. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by failure-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally, I wouldn't ever jack my brain into a public network. I'd rather not be "0wn3d" and have to pay a script-kiddie $250,000 to have him return my vision to normal rather than having it be static goatse in both eyes. (Or worse.)

    4. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by Wolfier · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about making the brain itself? Imagine a Beo^H^H^H culture of these buggers, it may eventually THINK for itself :P

    5. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by Gactaculon · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yeah, microbial nanowires must be the solution, because it's not like the human body has a thing for attacking foriegn cells, especially bacteria, right? Sorry to be sarcastic, but this doesnt seem to me to get anybody any closer to solving that particular problem. Better progress would probably be had in researching truly biologically-neutral conductors than in a elaborate scheme to get microbial nanowires to evade the human immune system. Besides, it doesn't even seem to be known that the conductive structure of these organisms is non-toxic to human cells, anyway. Not every biologically manufactured chemical is benign in every biological system, you know...

      This development is all sorts of interesting, but for this particular application? I'm just not seeing the basis for enthusiasm.

    6. Re:Possible cyberjack material? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "it may eventually THINK for itself"

      Oh, I'm sure it will be posting on Slashdot long before that.

  2. Wow. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Funny

    I never really considered the idea that germs could eat food and use it to shit wires.

    1. Re:Wow. by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Funny
      I make cable all of the time.

      So, given the production method being discussed, would that be SCAT-5 cable?

  3. Possible applications in biological computing? by 5plicer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if, through genetic engineering, we created neurones with these conductive pili?

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  4. Like super-algae by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More than any nano-tech application (computer nanotech, that is), such a microbe that can be engineered to clean up waste water and then settle to the bottom of a lake and quietly die would be excellent in cleaning up many of our polluted lakes and streams.

    Obviously it would need to be non-toxic to existing wildlife and ideally it would be able to compress and become coal or oil for future generations, but the main goal would be to clean up our messes.

    With small amounts of electrical wiring as byproducts of the "biological" process of the microbe, we may even be able to "harvest" our wiring needs in much the same way we harvest seaweed or shellfish today for consumption.

    This is another amazing step in our God-granted dominion and stewardship of His Creation.

    1. Re:Like super-algae by dbIII · · Score: 5, Interesting
      More than any nano-tech application (computer nanotech, that is), such a microbe that can be engineered to clean up waste water
      Already happens. Even oil refineries have oil consuming microbes to deal with their waste water and runoff that contains the oil that gets spilt on site. A major spill will kill all the bugs, but small amounts are dealt with effectively. It's not genetic engineering in that case but simple breeding of the kind you would use to get a better brewers yeast (ie. seperate out the stuff that can handle higher concentations of alcohol or oil and breed it again).

      Other bacteria are capable of dealing with metals, even copper - lookup "acid mine drainage" and you should find a few things - bacteria which previously caused environmental problems (in simplified terms eat copper and excrete sulphuric acid - that's one mean organism!) can be used to solve others.

      There's lots of odd stuff in organicly produced materials. The strangest I've heard of in the feild of metals is dislocation free iron (very strong stuff) in snails teeth (microscopic spiky bits on their tongues are teeth) in Western Australia.

    2. Re:Like super-algae by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have some interesting ideas here I'd like to talk about for a moment.

      More than any nano-tech application (computer nanotech, that is), such a microbe that can be engineered to clean up waste water and then settle to the bottom of a lake and quietly die would be excellent in cleaning up many of our polluted lakes and streams.
      I'm really leery about something like this. In my experience, an extreme of anything is never a good thing. Perchance an overabundance of this bacteria have an effect that makes the lake worse than before. For example, trees are good, but many trees can be bad. More specifically, if you plant too many evergreens in a confined area, the soil becomes exceedingly acidic. I'm more inclined to try to find out how to finesse the lake back to it's normal condition.

      Your next statement is moot, imho, given the time required to compress critters into oil or coal. Hopefully by then our progeny have developed more interesting and efficient means of energy harvesting.

      With small amounts of electrical wiring as byproducts of the "biological" process of the microbe, we may even be able to "harvest" our wiring needs in much the same way we harvest seaweed or shellfish today for consumption.
      This would be seriously cool and is not hard to envision. It'd be really neat if we could engineer the little buggers to poop transistors too.
    3. Re:Like super-algae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A similar process was developed for removing radioactive waste from water. A type of bacteria acts like a room ionizer and removes the particles boyance. The radioactive material settles to the bottom of the tank and allowing it to be safely collected.

      Another possible option could be in removing heavy metals from the water not only for toxic polution reasons but to harvest metals. The best way to get industry to clean up after themselves is to give them a way to make it profitable. They don't want to throw away sellable metals but they aren't usually profitable to extract. Bacteria that leaves a metalic residue whether from excreting it or from the dead bacteria itself would be a cheap way of extracting the metals from waste water.

    4. Re:Like super-algae by Mad_Rain · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is another amazing step in our God-granted dominion and stewardship of His Creation.

      Meanwhile, on Magrethea:
      "Pfft. Those earth creatures finally figured out how to get microbes to do some serious work for them. Amazing for a bunch of hairdressers and phone-cleaners. Oh well. Enough slashdot, back to designing fjords."

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  5. I wish the press release actually said something.. by under_score · · Score: 5, Interesting

    concrete about the pili themselves. It would be neet to know something about their molecular structure.

    Another thing about this article that hit me: genetic engineering really is going strong. I still think of it in some ways as a future technology. But their description of turning of the genes that result in the pili as well as the idea of manipulating those genes to produce pili with various characteristics really points out a high degree of sophistication in genetic engineering techniques.

  6. Re:Can't resist... by dancpsu · · Score: 2, Funny

    First they offered to clean up our waste water.

    Then they started making wires.

    Then they started selling the wires to us.

    Now we need to pay to take a crap.

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  7. Re:Can't resist... by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 2, Funny

    Until they start calling us "ugly bags of water"

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  8. Re:Really? by tempest69 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Right now it has apparent feasibility for bioremediation, which should be pretty big on peoples minds. But as for more technilogical/ medical/ anthrocentric uses, it's a building block. at 5 microns X 5 nanometers, it's a bit tough to manipulate by hand. However these might be useful as a product of existing animal nerve cells. Imagine changing neurons to have some "long wires" that would interface with electrodes easier. It might take some work, but it might be worth it. With a little work, it might be easier to have a hormone controlled expression of the "wires", that way you send in a hormone coated electrode, and the neurons would grab on, without being poisoned by the metal.

    Storm

    P.S. IANANTE (I am not a nano-tech engineer)

  9. SPGA by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've read about some research into microwire-based sublithographic programmable gate arrays.

    This has some potential for the computer industry in the way of getting us closer to Moore's Law but also paves the way for increasing the amount of malleable logic in what was previously fixed silicon applications.

    Of course, nanowire is pretty expensive to produce. Or it used to be...

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  10. Re:Fusion People by MoralHazard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the idea is the build in interface to neurons in the brain, why would you need to grow something organic? Chip implants that extend inorganic electrodes into the brain are already a reality, and they seem to work fine for research (I'm too lazy to look up the reference on that quadripelegic dude who got one, recently).

    Referring the that story, I recall that there were two big practical problems with the chip implant: 1) you have to drill a hole in the skull in order to make contact, and 2) the electrodes extending from the chip to the brain are too gross of a bridge to get a good signal sampling.

    So something like building ultra-tiny conductors on demand in particular spots would be incredibly helpful in making the existing brain interface more practical, because it could be less invasive and produce much finer connections. Sounds like a hell of an application to me.

  11. Re:I wish the press release actually said somethin by DirtyLiar · · Score: 5, Informative
    If your read all the waaaaay down to the bottom, you'd have found the following link:

    GeoBacter

    Interesting stuff.

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  12. Old News by core+plexus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Alaska Bugs Sweat Gold Nuggets

    "Bacterial biomineralization, as it's known among the experts, has been observed in other places and for other minerals. In fact, bacterial abilities to precipitate metals from solution have been used in some very high-tech contemporary methods of treating polluted water. It's even been appreciated that some bacteria can precipitate gold. Watterson himself had found that the spore coats of another bacterial breed serve as nuclei for luring gold out of solution in broths of gold chloride."

    -cp-

  13. The Field of Biomimicry by Quirk · · Score: 2, Informative

    While not explicitly linked to biomimicry, the implications relate to this relatively new field. There's now a web site dedicated to dissiminating the developing ideas. My introduction came from reading Biomimicry by Janine M. Benyus. I found a copy in the central library and I think most city libraries would have a copy. It's not a rigorous read and an easy one. As the fields of molecular biology and nanotechnology grow, implementations of biomimicry will provide avenues to harness nature according to it's own rules, or, so I hope. :)

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  14. The length of these wires by rpcxdr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The nanowires are incredibly fine, only 3-5 nanometers in width (20,000 times finer than a human hair), but quite durable and more than a thousand times long as they are wide.

    In other words, the length of these wires is 20 times finer than a human hair. They sure do work to make these numbers sound exciting!

  15. Single Walled Carbon Nanotubes by Shihar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, I would look to single walled carbon nanotubes (SWCNT) for what you describe. The real problem we have is that the body has a nasty habit of rejecting anything that isn't made by our own body. I have a feeling that these organically made wires will be no mored loved then the old fashion kind. The issue isn't organic vs inorganic, it is whether or not the body identifies the wires as not being apart of itself. We have evolved for millions of years to whack bacteria that isn't our own, so I wouldn't but the chances high that our bodies will be terribly receptive (though I would be pleased to be wrong).

    There have been some mixed signals as to weather or not nanotubes are carcinogens.
    The latest studies show that SWCNTs to be non-toxic and easily dealt with by the body. It isn't a green light, but it is hopeful. The real magic behind nanotubes is two fold. First, they are really small. Cells are giants compared to nanotubes. Second, nanotubes can be functionalized relatively easily, which is to say you can attach things to the surface of the nanotubes. When people talk about using nanotubes, they rarely mean those nifty little carbon chains that we all know at love. Generally, functional nanotubes have something else on the surface to specialize its purpose. For biological purposes, this means that what you see isn't necessarily what you have to work with. If these bacteria made nanowires turn out to be rejected by the human body, you are out of luck and the work stops there. With SWCNTs though, it just means you need to alter what type of molecules are hanging off of the carbon chain until you find some that the body won't attack and that don't disrupt the properties of the nanotube too bad.

    Simply put... single walled carbon nanotubes are the shit, err, and the future.

  16. Great! Now I can finally... by Luxury+P.+Yacht · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... wire my daughter's doll house for Ethernet.

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