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FDA Rejects Artificial Heart

Mad_Rain writes "Those people who fear cyborgs can rest easy. The Food and Drug Administration voted to reject Abiomed's request to sell artificial hearts to people who have suffered heart failure and exhausted their treatment options. The FDA stated that there was too little gain with too many adverse side effects in the limited trial run (17 people underwent the procedure). Although this isn't quite the same product mentioned in previous Slashdot coverage, it does seem like a setback towards replacing failing organs with fully artificial ones."

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  1. I wonder if some side effects could be by ZombieChiefExecutive · · Score: 5, Funny

    psychological. Imagine walking around knowing you had no heart? Spooky.

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    1. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by Ensign+Zatrole · · Score: 3, Funny

      Brings a new meaning to calling somebody a heartless bastard, doesn't it?

    2. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by CardiganKiller · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're so freaked out about not having a heart, the inhabitants of Munchkin Land will have some solid advice for you.

    3. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by mgv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Imagine walking around knowing you had no heart? Spooky.

      Actually, you generally don't have your own heart taken out for these devices. Instead it is placed alongside your normal heart.

      This has the advantage if you have some cardiac reserve that even if the device fails you don't necessarily die, as your own heart may have enough strength to keep you alive till the problem is fixed.

      Your heart can actually recover if given a "rest" by these devices, which is another reason to not take it out. These devices have a strong role to play in end stage heart failure when there is a prospect of recovery.

      Also, this is only one of many devices being trialled. I have been involved with many assist devices and some of them are more promising than the abiomed. I think that we will be seeing alot more of them in the future. I personally* know of one person in our unit who went nearly two years on a similar device whilst awaiting a heart transplant.

      Michael

      * For what its worth, I am an anaesthetist who works in a heart transplant unit, and we use these things alot - the surgeons put them in at the business end, but we run the controls on the slightly less biological end of things. I guess its something like IAACA (I am a cardiac anaesthetist).

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    4. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's just a local ordinance. If you can afford a new heart, you can afford a plane ticket to a free country. Are there any?
      I've been wondering this generally in relation to, for example, sale of organs (illegal in US), sale of blood (illegal in US), medical marijuana (illegal in US), recreational cloning (illegal in US), certain forms of political speech (illegal in US.)
      Outsourcing would seem to be the way to go.

    5. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by albeit+unknown · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are describing a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD). That's not what this is.

      The Abiomed device is a Total Artificial Heart (TAH). They cut out your existing left and right ventricles and install this in their place. If the device fails, you die instantly.

      For what it's worth, I participated in the first calf trial of this device at Louisville.

    6. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by mgv · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are describing a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD). That's not what this is.

      The Abiomed device is a Total Artificial Heart (TAH). They cut out your existing left and right ventricles and install this in their place. If the device fails, you die instantly.

      For what it's worth, I participated in the first calf trial of this device at Louisville.


      Fair enough, but you can usually get a similar effect by doing a BiVAD type approach. (in the less common situation where the right heart is failing).

      For what its worth we have been putting alot of ventricor's in lately, and they seem to work really well as a LVAD device (they are a bit unusual as they are a non pulsatile device with a centrifugal drive similar to ECMO devices). They are still pretty experimental here - just trial status but the initial results look very good (including the longer term complication rates)

      Michael

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    7. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by InterGuru · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have a spooky side effect from my implanted mechanical mitral valve. Whenever it is quiet I hear a steady click-click as my heart beats, one click for each beat. People with good hearing can hear it a short distance away. This really startled my 16 year old nephew who heard it as we were working a computer together. I'm sure he has spread the story among his friends.

      I find the clicking sound reassuring, it is a sign that everything is working well.

      While valve and my pacemaker (which gives no sign of its presence) is comforting for me, I hear that others are disturbed as they make them feel not whole and reminds them of thier mortality.

      A psychotherapist friend of mine tells me that he has a patient being driven crazy by the clicks. I feel sorry for the patient, as there is no way to avoid them.

    8. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I support developing technology to improve health, of course; but sometimes I wonder if as a society (talking about the USA here) we shouldn't spend some time figuring out how we're going to pay for this unbelievably expensive treatment before we continue funding this kind of research. The skyrocketing cost of medical care is the biggest fiscal problem facing the US, in my opinion.

      Well, here's an original idea: how about you develop the artificial heart, then the people who can afford to pay for one can have it. Others don't have the unconditional right to have it given to them for free. Halting development until you can provide it to everyone for free is among the most ridiculous ideas I've heard. Just because the poor can't afford something doesn't mean the wealthy should be denied it. Plus, when you take a *free market* approach to it, eventually the cost of the artificial heart will drop, making it available to those less wealthy, where otherwise no one would have it because it's impossible to fund initially.

    9. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by g0at · · Score: 3, Funny

      For what it's worth, I participated in the first calf trial of this device at Louisville.

      You are a bovine?

      -b

    10. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by bleaknik · · Score: 2, Funny

      No Heartless Bastard is going to trump my steel plate!

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    11. Re:I wonder if some side effects could be by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who says you'd have no heart? Just keep it in a jar someplace, problem solved.

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  2. Setback? by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Insightful
    it does seem like a setback towards replacing failing organs with fully artificial ones

    How so? It just means that they'll have to improve their technology first. That doesn't seem like a setback to me.

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    1. Re:Setback? by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actuall, looking at TFA you see that it hasn't been totally rejected yet:

      Slashdot title:
      FDA Rejects Artificial Heart

      Washington Post title:
      FDA Panel Rejects Artificial Heart

      In article text:
      the panel voted 7-6 that the heart's probable benefit didn't outweigh the risks ... The FDA is not bound by its advisers' recommendations but usually follows them

      There is still hope, and writing a letter to people like Tom DeLay or George Bush might help (only in that they may get together and pressure the FDA). Kinda ironic that I might actually take their side on this sort of issue - assuming that they would support it due to their right to life/culture of life stance.

  3. Why? by TheGavster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I never understood 'cure for death' type devices getting shot down. Like, your heart is going to stop and you will die, but we could perform $risky_medical_proceedure and there's a 10% chance you'd live. That's pretty lousy survival for say, cough drops, but not all that bad when faced with certainty of death.

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    1. Re:Why? by kaiser423 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically, it's the public and perception.

      Lots of lawsuits from people who "didn't fully comprehend all the risks", hospitals, doctors, procedures getting the labeled as killers, and having bad track records. Malpractice for relatively safe procedures is astronomical. No one wants to deal with those doctors (aka "so, 75% of your surgeries end up in death, why should I work with you?").

      Money. That's a lot of money in the surgery for a small chance of living.

      This isn't so much people banning it though. Believe me, there's tons of new, exciting, dangerous surgeries abound. The test for this heart had 17 patients with those types of risks. There's lots of cutting edge research looking for people in the exact scenario you describe, and they usually get some for of radical new treatment. In this case, the FDA just decided that this radical new treatment hadn't matured enough yet. So, there will be a couple more studies where people can get artificial hearts if they really need them.

      Basically, the FDA doesn't like to make radical treatments mainstream. It prefers to keep them in the research wings where people who need them can get them, but to keep mainstream procedures as safe and mundane as possible.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there are several strains of HIV, and newer research is showing that the possibility of getting more than one is extremely severe.

      Also, it may be for the safety of medical personel, as harvesting and working with such organs may be more dangerous in some situations (situations that shouldn't come up anyway, but people like to have mulitple security levels).

    3. Re:Why? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah, that reminds me also how they wont transplant an organ from an HIV infected person into another HIV infected person who needs an organ... wtf??

      Two reasons
      - Safety of the people and equipment that will come into contact with the infected blood during the procedure.
      - There's more than one strain of HIV. Having two of them is worse than having one.

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    4. Re:Why? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Informative

      We aren't talking about bringing back 110 year old people from near death.

      In this case, it's precisely what we're talking about. Abiomed was applying for a "humanitarian device exemption", to be used only in cases where the person had less than a month to live. They weren't expecting you to live long on it; just long enough to say a few extra months of goodbyes.

      They were rejected anyway. The numbers were just too much against them. Two people out of 17 died almost immediately.

      The rejection was narrow, 7-6, and it seems a little unfair to blame those deaths on the procedure since it was only done in people who were about to die anyway. These are not the best candidates for surviving massive surgery.

      You can't do it in children, even though their young systems might handle it better, because they'd have to make tiny devices for them, with attendant research issues.

      The best choice might be those otherwise healthy middle-agers. I'm not certain why Abiomed hasn't looked into those, except that they're presumably reluctant to try an experimental device on somebody who's a potential candidate for a life-saving heart transplant.

  4. no heart by ASLayerAODsk · · Score: 2, Funny

    so does that mean, 'no heart, no soul'?

  5. Most of the recipients in really bad shape by giminy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I heard a report on this earlier in the week on NPR. The interview (sorry, RealAudio is the only option for listening to the report) seemed to indicate that all the recipients up to this point had really really serious health problems besides just having bad hearts. I wonder what choice someone has if they are deemed too unhealthy/high risk for a heart transplant? Sit and wait to die? Serious bummer...

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  6. Life prolonging by Thomas+DM · · Score: 2, Informative

    The source claims the heart has been tested by 14 men. Two died directly, one never regained consciousness, ten died within five months and one died after 17 months.

    It costs $250,000 and at best it gives the patients a few months extra life. I believe it should be approved, but only if the patient wants to take the risk and pay for it.

  7. Not such a bad thing... by BTWR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm doing my cardiology clerkship for medical school right now, and I can say that although it does suck that this is being rejected, and yes - the US's FDA is notoriously stricter than other countries (certain great chemotherapy drugs are only available to europeans), sometimes this is a good thing. Famously, some years ago the FDA was a little reluctant about this miracle drug sweeping across europe. Turns out that this miracle drug ("Thalidomide")caused babies to be born without limbs. Yeah - sorta bad. So, it's like an innocent-until-proven-guilty system. Sure, we miss nabbing a lot of criminals, but, the tradeoff is that this system is ultimately made with the idea that it's very hard for an innocent person to be convicted.

    1. Re:Not such a bad thing... by praksys · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The US was certainly fortunate to be spared the horrible results of Thalidomide. But the stricter rules in the US have (rough estimate) caused hundreds of thousands of premature deaths, not to mention untold suffering.

      The problem with comparing this to an "innocent until proven guilty" legal system is that with such a legal system the government is refraining from doing harm. In the case of the FDA their are interfering in private choices about medical care and killing more people than they save.

    2. Re:Not such a bad thing... by thenewcloo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is true that the FDA's prudency has been good in certain cases, but the FDA's rejection of Thalidomide was something of luck. It turned out that the lady who was in charge of evaluating Thalidomide had refused to pass any drug or device whatsoever -- that is, she pretty much said no to anything. Did this lady's conservatism save lives? Yes. Overall was she responsible? Not completely.

    3. Re:Not such a bad thing... by praksys · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a ridiculous statement, because there's no reasonable way to evaluate its truth.

      Sure there is. You take the drugs that were approved ealier in the EU. Figure out how many the bad ones would have killed in the US had they been approved at the same time, then figure out how many the good ones would have saved had they been approved at the same time, then calculate the difference. It's been done, and I'm afraid the result is that the FDA is one of the leading causes of death in the US (same ball park as automobile accidents - tens of thousands of people a year).

    4. Re:Not such a bad thing... by cahiha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it does suck that this is being rejected, and yes - the US's FDA is notoriously stricter than other countries

      I think that's more myth than fact. There are many drugs and devices available in the US that are banned or restricted in Europe. Each country just seems to have its own set of hangups about what it permits and what it doesn't permit.

      If the US actually were stricter, it's also unclear that that would be a good thing. In many cases, the decision should be up to the doctor and patient.

  8. AbioCor Heart: Time Invention of the Year (2001) by reporter · · Score: 2, Informative
    You might find the story on the "Time Magazine" website to be interesting. Apparently, "Time Magazine" had selected the AbioCor artificial heart (produced by AbioMed) to be the 2001 invention of the year.

    Nonetheless, the real answer to the organ replacement problem is goading adult stem cells into growing a human heart. It would not suffer the negative effects of rejection (caused by donor hearts) and blood clots (caused by mechanical hearts).

  9. Ah! by Bad+Vegan · · Score: 2, Funny

    That explains that whole General Grevious thing.

    I was wondering why he was built like a toaster except for the gizzards.

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  10. Even worse... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't find the article now, but people who lived in the trials had something very spooky happen once their new "hearts" were installed - their life became really quiet.

    Usually you don't notice your heartbeat, or have other things going on to drown out the noise. But with an artificial heart, you aren't spending as much time in bars and so forth - you get more quiet time. The man who lived the longest compained that once the artificial heart was installed he could no longer hear the beating of his heart and it was eerie. The heartbeat is something every human knows, and many cultures have played on it in their music (trance, drums).

    So yes it is spooky, but for more problematic reasons. It just needs a virtual drum machine or something...

    1. Re:Even worse... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sure you can't find the article because it probably doesn't exist. Artificial hearts (and the associated machinery) are quite noisy. As a matter of fact, artificial heart valves, which are quite common, are noisy enough that you can hear them from several feet away in a quiet room. I have an artificial valve and it sometimes keeps me awake at night. It's like having an old school wind-up wrist watch parked next to your ear. But it certainly beats the alternative....death. Cheers,

    2. Re:Even worse... by MConlon · · Score: 2, Informative
      Your brain does a good job of filtering out continuous (or anticipated) background noise, including a heartbeat. It's similar to the upside-down world experiments where they have people wear CCD glasses which present an inverted image of the world around them... the brain adjusts for the new reality. (And, in fact, you'd be sending a right-side-up image to the optic nerve, because what it sees is inverted/mirrored. Push your eye in the bottom left; watch black spot appear top right.)

      Either way, these devices are very noisy, even if they don't have mechanical valves (and use porcine valves or polymer valves instead).

      MJC

    3. Re:Even worse... by modecx · · Score: 2, Informative

      No kidding, I know a guy with an artificial valve. It's noisy as hell. I can hear it from 6-8 feet away in an office setting. Then again, I can hear an analog wristwatch in the same environment.. That's the main reason I don't wear a watch around anymore, it's damned annoying.

      Hope I don't have some kind of Captain Hook syndrome going on. Eck!

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  11. Not the only device... by Achra · · Score: 5, Informative

    As has been mentioned, this _is_ a bit of a step backward. However, the Abiomed device is an actual artificial heart.. This is much more complicated than the accepted alternative, the left ventricle assist (LVAS). The idea is, they stick this motor in the side and bottom of your heart, and turn it on. No chambers required, no pulse necessary. Constant Flow. Makes me wonder how well the brain would operate without a pulse though.. Would it effect your moods? I'm not sure, but as this is a press release, I don't _think_ it violates my NDA. http://www.terumo.co.jp/English/press/2004/04_01.h tml/

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  12. Just don't... by SenorAmor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... piss off a Naussican, and you have nothing to worry about.

  13. I'll tell you why it failed to pass the FDA... by goldragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's right here in the article text...

    sufferers... are likely to die within a month

    I am a biomedical engineer for Cardiology at a top 25 hospital in the US, and a trained LVAS engineer for the WorldHeart Novacor LVAS system. We see 3-4 implants a year with this system*. The patients who are referred for implant come in literally with one foot over the threshold of death. It's amazing any of them survive the surgery at all. Doctors are scared to death of the devices. We have had attendings refuse to admit a patient once they learned the patient had a LVAD. Yes, some of the side effects can be severe. You have about as great a chance of dieing from a stroke caused by a massive clot in the device as you do of heart failure, but the reason to take that risk is quality of life. This man here is one of our patients. He has been on pump for four years this month. That's four years of quality life, enjoying his grand- and great grandkids. Hell, we have photos of him putting a roof on his barn while standing in the front end loader on his tractor. Our other patients go back to work, or at least can live on their own in their home, without 24/7 nursing care or constant hospital stays like patients who do not get a pump.

    These devices are mostly used for "bridge to transplant" meaning it is used to keep them alive and healthy until hopefully they get a heart transplant. Unfortunately there are like 2,000 donor hearts a year and 50,000 people who need one. So many of these companies are aiming to be certified "destination therapy" which means the person gets a pump and that's it. If/when it wears out, they get a replacement, but they won't get a donor heart. Which is fine, because the patients who get donor hearts are back constantly for biopsies and caths to check that their donor heart is healthy (since only arteries/veins get connected between the person and donor heart and not nerves, they can't feel chest pain if they have a heart attack) and are on anti-rejection medication regimens.

    * - Our hospital also does the Abiomed AB5000 and Thoratec HeartMate, but these are short term (days to weeks) support devices where the patient does not leave the hospital and are supported by the Perfusion team (the people who run the heart/lung bypass machines during surgery). The Abiomed device sits on the freakin' outside of your body and it's clear so you watch your own blood pump through it. It's actually clear so the clinician can look for a "flash" which is when the device completely empties of blood after a stroke and you see the white membrane inside. The console used during surgery is roughly the size of a dishwasher and the "travel console" is like a piece of carryon luggage. The Thoratec HeartMate I is approved for destination therapy, but we don't use it as such. Their HeartMate II is going into clinical trial, and is totally implantable. Hopefully it will pass the FDA's approval for destination therapy and we can save 48,000 lives a year...

  14. Go read... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair, then think about the FDAs usefulness. Like any government agency they do screw up, but they do, by far, more good than harm.

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  15. Re:Why? (don't ask a stupid question....) by rich42 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Question: How much money is 6 months more life worth?

    Answer: All of it.

  16. Hope??? by cahiha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is still hope, [...] assuming that they would support it due to their right to life/culture of life stance.

    And why would that be "hope"? Why would you place your uninformed judgement, or that of DeLay or Bush, above that of people who have studied the data, know medicine, and have thought about this long and hard?

    Implanting an artificial heart in a sick patient is a painful, dangerous, and costly procedure with (apparently, according to the panel) little benefit to either the patient or research. Those are just the facts of life: as it is, the technology isn't ready. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to subject patients to it, and we can save more lives by spending the money on other procedures.

    When companies come up with devices that do work, then they will get approved. And they can still implant new designs as experimental devices.

  17. Study methodology by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, remove the 30% of hispanic, black, and asian from your study, and you have a population whose genetic makeup is quite close to the EU.
    In terms of diets and exercise habits, I think the differences are small enough - both EU and USA are industrial countries with similar culture (lots of mutual influences).
    I guess doing such a study is easier than you suggest.

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