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Java: One Step Closer To Open Source
Ritalin16 writes "Sun Microsystems on Monday intends to celebrate the 10th anniversary of its Java programming language by sharing the proprietary source code for several key Java applications used by corporate customers. Sun officials believe that by making the source codes open to developers, they will spur more involvement and use of Java-based applications."
This doesn't really matter to Java detractors. IT types, usually not programmers, will bring up the same old tired clichés.
Somewhere around the year 2000 Java became uncool especially with younger programmers. I guess because it became an institution taught in high schools everywhere. Maybe programmers feel Java is rammed down their throats so they champion less established languages even something by Microsoft.
Java really is the best thing out there for a lot of things. Sun can give away everything and detractors will be like: "OK but what about your first born child?"
Sun will not go completely open-source. They already have JBoss, which is open-source... too bad that no one I know of uses it. Also, I doubt anyone would have used Platform Edition 9...unless they made it Open Source and promoted the hell out of it, which is why they are doing this. Everything will remain closed-source. *shrugs* just my 2 cents, though.
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" As if Java isn't slow enough, they open source it just in time as .NET is 100x better and faster." .net was that much faster than natively compiled C binaries, considering Java is anywhere between 75-95% percent of the speed of C (Statistics pulled out of nowhere, i remember last time i checked Java was expected to be around 90% of the speed of Compiled C i was guessing that improved) .net considerably faster than C ;)
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If a program is written poorly it is possible for it to hold on to a lot of its objects (memory) because Java thinks the program is still using them. I think the easiest way to screw up (but not sure) is to keep a hash around with all of your objects in it. As long as the hash still references the objects, even if nothing else does, the memory will not be freed up. Have you tried killing off specific aplications that are using Java to see if you can find which program is hoarding all of the memory or are you pointing your finger at the Java VM?
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This doesn't really matter to Java detractors. IT types, usually not programmers, will bring up the same old tired clichés.
Same tired old cliches. I can tell you first hand that lots of major developers of Java and early advocates have been turned off directly by issues that could have been addressed by open sourcing it. But that won't stop you from your tired cliches that it doesn't matter, just because you don't want it to matter.
I was developing major applications with it before it reached 1.0, and still work with it quite a bit, but it becomes more and more irrelevant despite my best work because Sun wills it to be irrelevant. Even as a major early licensee of Java, basic problems were not considered important enough for Sun to solve, and it hasn't changed much.
Somewhere around the year 2000 Java became uncool especially with younger programmers. I guess because it became an institution taught in high schools everywhere. Maybe programmers feel Java is rammed down their throats so they champion less established languages even something by Microsoft.
Again, strong on cliche, very weak on technical understanding or demographic fact, but at least you contradict your prior nonsense that it is not programmers turning away.
Java really is the best thing out there for a lot of things. Sun can give away everything and detractors will be like: "OK but what about your first born child?"
Go whine somewhere else. You think you should dictate what is useful to us without giving us adequate control to meet our needs? We will continue to use Java less and less as other tools continue come forward that are more responsive to our needs. The stuff we run today in Java doesn't benefit from the JVM and will be ported away as performance becomes more important and other features we need to build in are still not available in Java, since it is not open.
The whole attitude that somehow open source is wanting more from Sun than it would contribute back is ignorant, uninformed, short sighted, etc. Sun and their apologists should get a clue. Open source would make it responsive to a much wider range of developers and would produce developments Sun was too blind to pursue or pursued way too late and too little. Any harm has already been done to a great extent by Sun's pig-headedness. They should go off in a corner and use it by themselves if they don't want to open it up.
Waiting for Java has become a dead issue. No one expects Sun to get a clue, so why are you still whining that some in the past thought they might.
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Or they'll forego bloated commercial app servers and EJB and go with a lightweight open-source framework. These aren't toys - in fact the EJB 3 standard being developed now is largely based on ideas copied from these frameworks, as well as the Hibernate open-source persistence service.
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This sounds like a problem with Freenet, not with Java. You can write code with memory leaks in any language. Java makes memory leaks a little harder, but it in no way makes memory leaks impossible. If you had a C program where the author forgot to call free() would you complain about the "leak" in C?
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