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Knoppix 4.0 DVD - Like a Kid in a Candy Store

IdleTime writes "O'Reilly Developer Weblogs has a nice review of the new yet unreleased Knoppix 4.0 on DVD. As the article says 'A totally new release of Knoppix was unveiled at LinuxTag 2005, Knoppix 4.0. This is the release that introduces the split between "maxi" DVD and "mini" CD releases. I've tried out the 4.0 DVD and let me tell you, I'm like a kid in a candy store.'" AlexanderT points to some currently available torrent files for the DVD.

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  1. maybe im alone on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    But the article could have been summed up by just saying "it has tons of packages. Pretty much everything you'd expect."

    1. Re:maybe im alone on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      the source is available. you can get it from the knoppix website or any of the project websites. it doesn't have to be packaged on the dvd to be GPL compliant; that's not a requirement, and it's not a sign of laxness.

      in conclusion, you're a fucking idiot. please fall on a rusty nail.

    2. Re:maybe im alone on this one by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      The OO.o equation editor owes a lot to LaTeX - if you know LaTeX you can pretty much just use the OO.o equation editor by just typing the LaTeX with the backslashes left off.

      Having said that, the output is quite simply not the least bit comparable. LaTeX equations are beautiful, and OO.o equations are just barely tolerable (at best).

      If you must use OO.o for document preparation, but want pretty looking equations try this which allows you to insert proper LaTeX equation output into OO.o docs with ease (as well as making them conveniently easily editable).

      Jedidiah.

  2. Re:Uh by Tezkah · · Score: 5, Informative

    But these websites are so trustworthy!

    Quote from torrentreactor.to in IE:

    The site might require the following ActiveX control: 'Free Download Access__ Click YES - If you agre...' from 'WEBSITE ACCCESS'. Click here to install..

    Well, if WEBSITE ACCCESS wants me to install it, I better! It has THREE C's! That's one more C than normal access!

    Come on guys, this is free software, no need to go to disreputable torrent sites to download it.

  3. Re:Uh by Sancho · · Score: 3, Informative

    Generally there's a -en ISO and a -de ISO. The -de defaults to German while the -en defaults to English. It is possible to get a US language/keyboard from the de version and vice versa, however you have to know where the = key is on the German keyboard (something like shift-2?)

  4. At the other end of the spectrum ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    we have Damn Small Linux. www.damnsmalllinux.org

    It takes just 50 MB and can be run off read only memory (or memory that you shouldn't write too much to) like compact flash or a usb dongle. It is a riff off Knoppix. It is the easiest way to create an 'embedded' system that I've seen.

    Not only does Linux scale well but so, apparently, does Knoppix.

  5. Maxi = DVD, Mini = CD by aywwts4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/21/ 0050255&tid=190 So dont worry; we can have the best of both worlds.

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  6. Re:Uh by aywwts4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They arent that obscure, being fairly well documented http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes and I think if you press F2 during startup you get a list of the most common ones.

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  7. Re:From the article by kesuki · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are DVD's you have to gouge the surface pretty bad to damage the data layer, which is in the middle. Clearly he's happy that unlike CD's when he 'barely scratched the surface' his knoppix 4.0 DVD kept working normally.

  8. Re:XFree? by Bri3D · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because Debian(which Knoppix is based on) still runs XFree.

  9. FYI: you can't choose the software by beforewisdom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please don't interpret this as a downer.

    I use knoppix myself, I think it is the best distro out there and I plan on continue using knoppix.

    I am just posting this because I was curious about it and had to go to the trouble to find out.

    If you are interested in installing the DVD version of Knoppix to your hard drive you have to install it all. You can't pick and choose among the software.

    FWIW.....

  10. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've got several links for you:

    Kick Firefox to the curb
    Kick Opera to the curb
    Kick Maxthon to the curb

    How could I not know of Firefox and have it installed when I post on Slashdot (Firefox usage up .03% vs IE!)? Really now... I was just using IE at the time, and found it hilarious that Slashdot would link to a site that would attempt to install malware on a user's computer.

    (Besides, with SP2, Mouse gestures and program grouping on Windows XP, and privoxy for blocking in-line ads, IE is useable)

    -Tezkah
    (Posting A/C for O/T)

  11. Saving a borked system by kebes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many of you already know this, but one of the great things about linux LiveCDs is the ability to work on an otherwise screwed-up computer, and salvage it (or the data on it, etc.). A LiveCD is absolutely great for fixing a Windows or linux PC that has gotten messed up. For instance, you can create backup images of disks using partimage and restore them with a LiveCD (in particular, the SystemRescueDisk is good for that).

    A Knoppix LiveDVD is more geared towards booting a PC and being productive (with OpenOffice, Blender 3D, etc.)... however it's a great thing to have lying around because you can diagnose and repair a system, do a full virus scan (as pointed out in TFA), while having internet access, being able to open relevant wordprocessor documents, etc. etc. A LiveDVD like this could also help in extracting files from a corrupt filesystem (you can open and work with the files immediately, if that becomes necessary).

    To anyone in the /. crowd that has not played with LiveCDs yet (or linux at all) you should seriously consider burning a copy and seeing what all the fuss is about.

  12. Re:EN release? by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no 'release' at all really. The DVD's for LinuxTag are basically one-off 4.0 discs, the 'real' 4.0 release usually comes out a couple weeks later and might include a couple more updates.

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  13. English version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The DVD boots into German by default, but this can be changed with the "lang=us" cheatcode(several other languages are also supported).

  14. Re:yeah but.... by kesuki · · Score: 2, Informative

    what about machines that lack dvd-roms?

    Go buy a DVD-burner for $41 not only can you burn the iso in the torrent, but you can then boot off it.. maybe you prefer a black front panel $45 or silver $49
    perhaps you'd like a full retail box for a few dollars more.

    Appologies if the capabilities of said drives vary --; and a few are 'one day sale' links... they go up in price by $4 if you missed out on the 'one day sale' price.

    Mind you this is for an NEC brand dvd burner, from a large and well rated online store. So what if your computer doesn't have a DVD-rom? buy one. $50 costs less than a single copy of most software/games, and since you can use this drive to burn and then install linux, you're good to go.

  15. Re: DVD Distros by Chicago+Wolves · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's funny you should bring that I up. I just solved the same problem last week on my 9.3

    This link below solved almost all of my problems. Go to the multimedia section and pick out the codecs.
    http://packman.links2linux.de/

    In the libraries section look for the Win32-Codecs

    The only thing I'm still frustrated is the Python libraries, and .asx audio streams. I can't get iPodder to work with it. I had the same problem with Fedora Core as well.

    Hope this helps!

  16. Re: Knoppix plug by skreeech · · Score: 2, Informative

    no redbull is how they get the wings.

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  17. Re: Knoppix plug by skreeech · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are girls out there that don't have the knowledge of knoppix dvds. If you met them away from the internet you would know this already.

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  18. Re:Visit Knoppix.net for more Knoppix 4.0 info by UnderScan · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can find torrent trackers & even info on how to hexedit the ISO to force it to US English at the Knoppix.net forum thread.

  19. Re:FYI: you can't choose the software. True by UnderScan · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is true. The installer is a dialog/Xdialog script that guides the user to partition the HD, create a user account, enter the root passwd, and then decompresses the entire compresed loopback KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2 files to the new partition. Then it applies the user info, converts the init & runlevels to be normal init system, and installs grub to the MBR. At no point is there any choice in deciding which packages to install since ALL of them get installed.

    Knoppix users & newbies should also note that installing Knoppix to the HD is not recommended since something tends to break. In Knoppix 3.9, networking was broken due to a missing link in /etc/rc*.d. In past releases new users that installed Knoppix also experienced fstab problems in regards to optical drives and had difficulties in using the Debian package system since at that time Knoppix was a mixture of Debian stable/testing/unstable.

  20. Re:Uh by Taladar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Shift-0

  21. not damn small enough by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tomsrtbt, http://www.toms.net/rb, fits on a floppy disk. (one of the ways he saves space is by taking out the extraneous Os and spaces in 'Tom's Root Boot'

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  22. Re:Hooray!! by patio11 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Alright, what mod rewarded a point to a post that couldn't get the assignment operator right?

  23. Re:Waiting for an actual review. by UnderScan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Knoppix 4.0 is brand spanking new release only as a 4GB ISO that at last check had a 230:1140 seed to downloader ratio. I think that is why there is little to no info about it.

    As for the review, if you are at all familiar with Knoppix then it is just the same Knoppix with a huge load of packages, some GUI improvements, and some new functionality brought about by using packages & configuration info from Knoppix derivatives (like Kanotix) that was then accepted by Klaus Knoppix & fed back into Knoppix mainline. I felt that Knoppix 3.9 was ugly and now 4.0 uses KDE 3.4.1 with the Plastik widget style as default as opposed to previous release which used Keramik on KDE 3.4.0. Those folks who were missing GNOME can now use GNOME 2.8 since it has been missing for at least 18 months. Knoppix 4.0 uses a older more stable snapshot of UnionFS and will now not crash or exhibit strange filesystem behaviors like 3.9 did. V4.0 includes OO.o 2.0 beta, KOffice & if I recall correctly, abiword & gnumeric so it looks like office apps are all covered. If you want specifics on the packages, then look to the package list file on the Knoppix mirrors.

    Knoppix users & newbies should also note that installing Knoppix to the HD is not recommended since something tends to break. In Knoppix 3.9, networking was broken due to a missing link in /etc/rc*.d. In past releases new users that installed Knoppix also experienced fstab problems in regards to optical drives and had difficulties in using the Debian package system since at that time Knoppix was a mixture of Debian stable/testing/unstable. Knoppix 4.0 is using Debian unstable for all of its packages, so maintenance of the HD should be easier than before. So far the only thing broken in a HD install of Knoppix 4.0 is manpages functionality. man ls or man vi works on DVD but is broken when run from the HD install.

    Like most special conference releases (ex: Knoppix 3.8 Cebit Edition), Knoppix 4.0 DVD edition from LinuxTag, is standardized in German but contains support for many languages. A boot time cheat code of: knoppix lang=us will force it to load in US English. A more permanent method is to hexedit the ISO and change the lang=de entries to lang=us. Again like most conference releases, Klaus Knopper did not officially release the DVD as in is only for sale at LinuxTag for 5 euros. As a FOSS project, it is legal to distribute the ISO and this is what someone has done. You can find torrent trackers, screenshot galleries, and more info at the Knoppix 4.0 DVD Knoppix.net forum thread about.

  24. Re:Uh by shancock · · Score: 2, Informative

    This link will explain what to do to get a fully functioning English version. It is from the forums on www.knoppix.net - http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19726

    It states:
    As with some of the other versions that default into German, you can use the cheat code Knoppix lang=us (to get the equals sign, press shit+zero) which will than bring up a fully functional English version.

    I'm still waiting for a peer to download from the torrent however.

  25. Re:For Windows repair by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 2, Informative

    Knoppix has a utility called "Captive". This nice little utility allows you to actually use the NTFS driver from a Windows installation (Knoppix supports NTFS Reading right off the bat) in order to get fully working NTFS Read/Write.

    You could also put the NTFS(.sys?) driver on a USB drive, or a floppy to use. OR you could use Captive's builtin ability to download some service pack from Microsoft's website and automatically grab the file from there, though it takes awhile to download and I'm sure Microsoft doesn't like it. But heck, if you're burning a copy of Windows to a CD, I'm sure you don't care about EULA nonsense.

  26. Re:I'm more interested in hyper-threaded P4 suppor by Wolfrider · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try different kernel parms at boot, or shuffle your PCI cards around. At any rate, you're lucky - my IRQ only goes up to 15. ;-)

    Try boot: parm " pci=bios " (? IIRC) to see if it will boot; then you can DL the source, recompile the kernel and test at your leisure.

    --See this for more info:
    ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/knoppix-chea tcodes.txt

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  27. Re:XFree? by Pastis · · Score: 3, Informative

    They still use (a Branch of) XFree 4.3.
    The license issues appeared just before 4.4
    So there are no freedom issues.

  28. Re:XFree? by stm2 · · Score: 2, Informative
    They are the most politically involved (for lack of better terms) distro


    There is another distro more "political" than Debian. It's Ututo-e. Is the only one sponsored by FSF. Acording to RMS, Debian is not kasher enought for him.
    Here is a review.

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