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Man Convicted For Hacking Xbox

PipianJ writes "Remember the ruling in Britain which outlawed mod chips last year? BBC News is reporting that a man has been convicted of modding an Xbox and sentenced to 140 hours of community service, a fine of 750 pounds (about $1300), and the confiscation of his PCs and Xboxes." From the article: "The man had been selling modified Xbox consoles which he fitted with a big hard drive containing 80 games. 'This case sets a major precedent which marks a milestone in the fight against piracy,' said games industry spokesman Michael Rawlinson." Update: 07/04 22:12 GMT by Z : Updated to more accurately discuss the story.

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  1. If he wasn't selling them... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He probably would've been pretty safe if he didn't sell them - I think they would've had a pretty tough time convicting him if it had just been some guy who chipped his own xbox at home for personal use.

    (BTW: For those who havn't done it, modding an xbox is so easy that virtually anyone can do it. It actually takes longer to take the thing apart than it does to install the modchip and a bigger HD).

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  2. How can chipping be illegal? by David+Horn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Regardless of the fact that this guy deserved to be punished, I can't see how chipping for a legitimate use (ie, to use it as a media centre etc) can possibly be illegal.

    I would hope that if I bought the hardware I'd be entitled to do whatever I liked to it, provided I didn't actually break the law by putting pirated games on it.

    I fail to see how taking a soldering iron to your X-Box can be interpreted as an illegal act.

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  3. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Mod parent up.

    That's how these think. They try to create impressions. "Downloading is illegal" where in most cases it is not (uploading is), "modding is punished severly" when we don't have a solid basis for that statement yet.

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  4. Depends. by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IANAL, but I know enough to know that "case law" is important in court. If this court case really did involve a judge ruling on an aspect of the XBox modding law, as opposed to software piracy or other incidental stuff, then it could be quite profound.


    It really doesn't matter, if my understanding of the legal system is even vaguely close to accurate, as to whether the person was "guilty" of software piracy, if he was in fact prosecuted under a different law entirely. What matters is what the judge ruled on, how and why.


    For example, if the judge said something along the lines of "the piracy was the offence, and the xbox mods were an aggravating factor", then I don't think there's anything to be too concerned about.


    On the other hand, if it was the reverse of that, that the mods were the offence, and the piracy was an aggravating factor, then there could be some implications, as that would imply that the piracy was merely a detail that made things worse, in the eyes of the law.


    Without clearer information on exactly what was said, and without some input from a legal expert who can give some interpretation, it's very hard to see what exactly this case means. However, if the latter idea (ie: mods are bad) is correct, then what we're seeing is probably the "worse possible case". In other words, someone who was caught selling modded boxes only would not be likely to get anything worse.


    Of course, the whole thing might be thrown out on appeal. The appeals process would go to the appeals court, then eventually to the House of Lords, and (if necessary) to the European Court of Human Rights. The House of Lords has a lot of grudge matches going with the House of Commons at the moment, so don't expect them to be sympathetic to the Government. The EU is in an even worse mood, so if it gets to them, almost anything could happen - and probably will.


    This is not like America, where the Government can throw around impeachment threats, whenever the Supreme Court rules against them. The Law Lords cannot be impeached by the sitting Government and have pretty much free reign to decide how they like. They are supposed to rule by the law, but when they get seriously narked by Government attitudes, they're just as likely to rule in retaliation.


    Most likely, it won't go to appeal, as the fine isn't super-huge and community service is unlikely to involve the rooftop of Stangeways, or the insides of Dartmoor's equally notorious prison. Depending on how many boxes were sold, he might easily cover the costs of the computers and the fines from his "income".

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  5. In my admittedly limited experience by mcc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Almost every time I have ever seen the BBC run an article covering some kind of clash between technology and the desires of large traditional commercial copyright holders, they seemed to have gone absolutely out of their way to slant the article in favor of the copyright holders.

    I don't follow the BBC closely and I don't really know much about their normal news coverage. But it seems that on this one set of subjects they seem incapable of or unwilling to write a balanced article.

    Somehow I don't think it's just a coincidence that the BBC is, itself, a large traditional commercial copyright holder.

  6. IMHO, anyone who thinks this is a .... by dvdsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    precedent on Xbox modding is grossly mistaken. What we have here is a seller of pirated software that happened come with a modded Xbox. He deserves no sympathy and did a disservice to those in the "modding community" who are simply enthusiasts who like to see what their hardware can do (Installing Linux for instance). As a matter of fact, his sentence when compared to others convicted of software piracy may well be lenient. What isn't mentioned is just how many he sold. With the amount of information available on the web for modding Xboxes, I doubt he would have been noticed if not for the piracy. What this WILL do is drawn more attention on those with more modest goals. What he did was WRONG, and don't give me some "fight the power" garbage. BTW, I believe in fair use.

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  7. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Umm... no.

    The person who is copying and distributing is the person commiting copyright infringment. That is why P2P programs get people into trouble. Because downloaders become uploaders and therefore infringe.

    Just downloading and using the material is not prosecutable.

  8. Re:Well... by SpinJaunt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Modifying hardware is illegal here in the UK, sadly.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/21/ps2_mod_ch ip_win/

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  9. Re:80 games by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Actually, in my state, Illinois. Paraphernalia is a class I misdemeanor, while the actual weed, hash, etc, is a class III misdemeanor. In other words, the drugs are just a step above a traffic ticket. But the bongs are just a step away from felony.



    But then again, theres also a law on the books that says it illegal to tie my horse on the south side of a street on a sunday.


    eh...

  10. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by (negative+video) · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So, you've bought into the propaganda campaign of the **AA, forcing an inappropriate word to make a behavior seem more heinous than it is, and the guy who understands the REAL meaning of the word is the moron?
    "Pirate" has long been applied to much more than just ships on the high seas. For example, Thomas Babington Macaulay used it in a well-known 1841 speech before Parliament, speaking against a proposal to unreasonably extend copyright terms:
    "I am so sensible, Sir, of the kindness with which the House has listened to me, that I will not detain you longer. I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one-tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind. Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrim's Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich for the advantage of the great-grandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? ..."
    An eloquent speech that shows not just the proper uses of "pirate", but also the evil and futility of the Disney Copyright Extension Act.
  11. Sherman Anti-trust -v- Copyright Monopoly by ka1ser+s0ze · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is odd, that you can legally own a thing. Possess it in your home. But not allowed to "take it apart." That really means you don't own it. The way I see it, what I do in my own home, as long as it stays there, is simply no ones business. I also believe if I am smart enough to crack someone's OTA encryption, then all's fair in love and way, I should legally have access to what I am smart enough to recognize. If get help from someone else, or give the content to someone else, that is an entirely different manner. Regarding copyright. Shouldn't that be regulated by Anti-Trust law? Copyright is now the backbone for huge revenue - more than some telecom.

  12. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by Shai-kun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good old-fashioned piracy is actually still going on! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy . "Seaborne piracy against transport vessels remains a significant problem (with estimated worldwide losses of $13 to $16 billion USD per year)"
    Except now they're using AK-47s.

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  13. Re:The point.... by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And when you buy a car,are you told about all the ways you can't modify it? (clue: no windiong back the mileage, no removing seatbelts, leave the license plates on, and' you'll be needing to keep those screen wipers too... etc etc. none of that is explained to you when you buy a car...

    If you want to modify something - anything - the first things you should do is find out (a) is it safe ? (oops maybe I shouldn't have knocked down that load bearing wall) and (b) is it legal? (No sir you CAN't wire your garden fence to the electricity supply)

    You should not EXPECT to be told every damned little thing you can and can't do with a product you buy.

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  14. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by mpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how the case would have gone had the guy just been selling modded console sans illegal software.

    It looks like the court did not actually think the games were worth much anyway. Certainly nothing like retail price. Note that the £750 isn't a fine it's his court costs. 38 hard disks containing 80 games equates to 3,040 games. He has 140 hours of community service, thus a game equates to under 3 minutes worth of of work. 140 hours @ £4.20/hour equates to £588. Dividing this by 3,040 gives £0.19. (Which equates to 0.33 USD or 0.28 EUR.)

  15. Re:Er, this is actually about boring old piracy by Stauf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An accusation of piracy used to be a very big deal. There was usually hanging involved. Your quote from Thomas Babington Macaulay even backs this up. He doesn't call the booksellers 'pirates'. He calls them 'piratical'. The difference being that he is accusing them of having something in common with real pirates, not being real pirates.

    Using the term to refer to copyright infringement is roughly as accurate as using the term 'Child Molester' or 'Fluffy Rabbit'.

    Unfortunately, it seems the powers-that-be have successfully inserted the term into the language as a means to refer to the infringers of copyright as a sort of pre-emptive argumentum ad hominem .

  16. Re:80 games by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bong are illegal over there? In Germany you can legally buy bongs and there are stores selling "smoking accessories", which can include everything from pipe cleaners to bongs.
    Weed is still illegal, but bongs are just water pipes and they aren't necessarily used for illegal activity. Just like BitTorrent, if you think about it.

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