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How Schools Can Get Free Software

RicJD writes "The BBC is reporting on a school in England which has found a way to save money through Open Source Software. It goes on to explain the idea behind OSS, and briefly how they've incorporated it into the school system. Could this be the way to show the UK government that savings can be had through OSS?" Likely an adoption spurred by the education report we reported on earlier this year.

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  1. How Schools Can Get Cheap Software: by AEton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make a credible threat to switch to free software.
    (Submit your school's "migration plan" to the BBC. Just in case Microsoft doesn't read that, Slashdot the story!)

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    1. Re:How Schools Can Get Cheap Software: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Also dont teach them science, they may get the crazy idea to develop some sort of new biologic weapon!

      Dont teach them english, they might learn bad words.
      Dont teach them how to write, they might write a microsoft's patented word.

      Mr. Alex P. Keaton, dont let a computer raise your kids, teach them moral values, be a good father to them and they will be allright. And you & your family will be having a great time using open source and spending the money you've saved on whatever you and your family desire. Anonymous Coward

  2. I for one, agree by Grep*coke* · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds like the best idea an education system, whether it be the UK or the US, has ever had. All schools could save hundreds of dollars by using Linux instead of Windows, and it would give kids a better background. Also, it might encourage the development of more OSS by the students.

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    1. Re:I for one, agree by fr0dicus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A better background? I'd say a fairlt irrelevant grounding for the average kid not destined for a career in IT.

    2. Re:I for one, agree by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All schools could save hundreds of dollars by using Linux instead of Windows, and it would give kids a better background.

      A better background in what? Using OSS software instead of Microsoft software? In the real world (yes, there are some exceptions) people use Microsoft Office. HR drones and automated readers reviewing your resumes aren't going to understand that Open Office is like Microsoft Office. They want to see Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, and Microsoft Access on your resume, not their OSS counterparts.

      Also, it might encourage the development of more OSS by the students.

      Why? Because a machine that's running OSS will somehow be any less locked down by the admins than a similar Windows workstation? Give me a break.

      Yes, Linux is less money and should be used in schools to give the taxpayers a break. It should not be thought of as anything other than a tool though. The students will use a web browser, an office suite, and e-mail. They aren't going to be using it any differently than if they were using Windows.

    3. Re:I for one, agree by Approaching.sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is one of the more horrible things I think you could have said.

      IT is pervasive in modern society. It not only runs our work lives as a tool, it is also recreation and education. The more exposure you have to more kinds of software the better equiped you are to deal with more situations.

      If we use your arguement then we should not require all students to take science courses as they will not all be using the knowlege of what a mol is in their every day lives.

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    4. Re:I for one, agree by jbolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "HR drones" don't come from mars they come from the very school systems we are talking about. They believe that their job should involve pattern matching instead of understanding because non honors courses in school emphasize regurgitation instead of understanding (often the honors courses do as well).

      Correcting the use of Microsoft software and switching over to a Unix frame of mind could potential aid in fixing the larger problem.

    5. Re:I for one, agree by Aldric · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "A better background in what? Using OSS software instead of Microsoft software? In the real world (yes, there are some exceptions) people use Microsoft Office. HR drones and automated readers reviewing your resumes aren't going to understand that Open Office is like Microsoft Office. They want to see Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, and Microsoft Access on your resume, not their OSS counterparts."

      If schools all use free software (as they should, I don't see why my taxes should go to Microsoft) then the HR drones aren't going to have much choice but to learn that an office suite is an office suite no matter who the vendor is.

    6. Re:I for one, agree by legirons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "In the real world people use Microsoft Office."

      Actually in the real world (when I was at school), people use WordPerfect for MS-DOS, and smaller companies were starting to use Lotus Ami Pro.

      How would it have helped if I'd learned those applications?

      We even had a fairly-major CS test at school, where one of the questions was 'what keystroke is used to right-format a line in Ami Pro'. How is information like that going to help me now, typing into a Slashdot textbox using FireFox (neither of which could even have been imagined when I was learning IT/CS)

      How would teaching people Word help now? The next generation of business technology seems to be influenced by what CS graduates are using at home today, and recently that's been Linux, Free Software on Windows2000, and we're starting to see some Mac OS. If you wanted to teach in school "for business", then you would start by thinking what people will find useful in 5-10 years when they get their first jobs.

      And even if you're "living in the present", why would you standardise on something that requires the parents to pay hundreds of pounds extra to do computer-related homework, when you could select an almost-identical program that you can distribute for free?

    7. Re:I for one, agree by Charles+W+Griswold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [. . .] will they be able to competently work with a Start menu?

      That reminds me, I need to get back to my first-draft manuscript of "The Start Button for Real Dummies".

      Yea, I think that most X users can handle a Start menu. A more likely complication of learning Linux and then switching to Windows are screams of frustration at the bone-headed limitations inherent in the Windows environment. (Like the fact that you have to essentially run as root to do anything.)
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  3. Money saved, but only to be wasted elsewhere by mc6809e · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one ever got elected by saving money. This saved money will only be spent elsewhere.

    That said, the best reason for using open source has nothing to do with saving money.

    It's the opportunity to get a look inside at how the machine works.

    Anyone that's taken apart a toaster or washing machine timer, etc, understands how valuable a thing it is to be able to see how it works.

    That's why open source belongs in schools.

    1. Re:Money saved, but only to be wasted elsewhere by dewie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This saved money will only be spent elsewhere.

      Um, yes. Yes it will. Is that a bad thing? Why save it otherwise?

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    2. Re:Money saved, but only to be wasted elsewhere by Tweak232 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one ever got elected by saving money. This saved money will only be spent elsewhere.

      What about books? Higher teacher salaries?

      Of course this is not all about saving money, it is about allocating it. Money could go to far better places than microsoft's and other large companie's deep pockets.

      Your point is still valid, just modified.

  4. Re:MS For Schools Is Cheap by djward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because feeding trolls is fun:

    1. As opposed to $0 a workstation. Times a bunch of workstations.

    2. Yeah, 'cause MS's current OS is just what these kids will be using when they enter the workforse in 10-15 years. Right. Crap argument. Teaching them to USE and UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS is far more important than teaching them about one particular OS that will have changed significantly by time they are entering the real world, supposing it's still dominant. This can be done just as effectively (perhaps moreso) on another OS besides Windows.

    3. -1 Offtopic.

  5. Do you ever get the feeling that... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...slashdot's +1, Funny maps disturbingly well to RIAAs +1, Insightful? I'm sure what their real market model is to have others pay them through their teens and student life (parents, university) and have them come out on the other side thinking "well, now I have to start paying for it myself". They don't want to lose customers in their youth, never to regain them. Make them feel that someone has been, or should have been paying all the time, even if they have not.

    Kjella

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  6. Re:MS For Schools Is Cheap by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, because we all know paying teachers, who already have starting areas as low as $20K/yr in places in the US , even less money is a great way to improve teacher quality. Thats an especially good deal considering the US is already falling behind in schooling.

    SOmetimes you get what you pay for. The place to cut money in schools is not in the teachers. Look further up the chain at the school boards. For a big city its as highly paid as a CEO, despite being even less useful. Cut there, and higher more/better teachers.

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  7. Re:Dear Children by JTorres176 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Children learn what they're taught. This would be why there's such a huge push in MS to resist change. Windows XP works very similar to Windows 95 for this very reason. If we teach children OSS, they learn OSS. If we teach them windows, they learn windows. Your comment that "Linux is for techies" is like saying "We can't teach children english because japanese is easier!" By the way, I'm writing this while listening to the BBC news broadcast on a linux laptop. My sound to works just fine.

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  8. The biggest danger in bringing FOSS to schools by hadaso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a greater danger in students using free software than them getting the crazy idea of that information should be accesible to everyone ... some of them might even get involved in development. Imagine all these fresh minds that M$ cannot even hire because of age limitations on employment...

    Younger minds can have novell ideas. FOSS needs them. School kids getting involved can bring new ideas. Perhaps even non-geek participation in designing GUIs.

    I like to call it "the coolness factor" in OSS. If kids learn that they can actually make a difference: having your idea or design incorporated in software used by millions all around the world is cool, and kids should learn about it and go for it!

  9. Edubuntu by mberry · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We've been using Linux on our server(s) for five years now, and it's been an entirely positive experience. It just works - perhaps a couple of days of down time since September 2000, and they were over the weekend when we upgraded the OS.

    We've also been able to do far more in-house than we'd have been able to with MS stuff, I have a strong sense of ownership, and of kinda understanding how everything fits together. This last year we've been exploring web-based technology, such as the incredibly brilliant Moodle virtual learning environment.

    Anyhow, we're now interested in the notion of Linux on the desktop, and I too have been impressed by how easy ubuntu is to set up and use. Spent the weekend at the edubuntu summit, chatting about the idea of a ubuntu based, easy to install and use, distribution aimed at schools, including those in developing countries where internet access isn't all it could be. This is a tremendously exciting project, and given how easy the unbuntu experience is, could well be the way to get linux onto school desktops. The first release is due in October.