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Biases in Simulation Video Games

Orsonwarcry writes "Kieron Gillen went to Prague to speak to Bohemia Interactive, known best for Operation Flashpoint. He goes on to discuss the effects of bias on simulation games. 'In other words, a simulation is never just a simulation. Equally, freedom is rarely actually free of designer- imposed desires. Even in games with the most self-expressed mandates of "choice" for the gamer, it doesn't mean that there isn't a message. In Deus Ex, the generally politically liberal Ion Storm Austin created a world where you could choose between violence and pacifistic approaches, but the charismatic characters urged you towards peace while the monsters suggested violence.'" Some interesting stuff in there.

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  1. Bias in the player too? by Thunderstruck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely there must be bias in the player too for this to become an issue. The article example of "mosters" urging violence, for example, assumes that every player will assume monsters are bad. Clearly these folks did not watch enough Sesame Street.

    Now go turn on PBS while I fire up a MUD, no biased graphics to distract me from good and evil there!

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    1. Re:Bias in the player too? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Clearly these folks did not watch enough Sesame Street."

      I agree, the Cookie Monster tells me to hurt people all the time and he seems like an ok sort for a monster.

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    2. Re:Bias in the player too? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... and when Big Bird told me to support the appointment of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I knew things had gone too far...

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    3. Re:Bias in the player too? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      So lets get this straight: Killing people with a gun often isn't violence because "some killing" would happen anyways, but killing a single fertilized egg cell is? I think I've got it now.

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    4. Re:Bias in the player too? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Funny
      (For the record, I'm a libertarian. I do support the criminalization of abortion. I don't think that government should sponsor stem cell research. Euthanasia is a complex topic, but I don't have any sweeping objection.)

      It doesn't sound like you're much of a libertarian.

  2. Female characters by tezza · · Score: 4, Funny

    Games are biased towards female characters with very strong spines.

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  3. Gold Coins by Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

    Games are just simulators, virtually identical to the ones we use to train our soldiers. No one's saying anything through them.

    Hmm.

    Let's put aside the question, exactly in which imminent conflict the armed forces expect to utilize their finely-honed gold-coin-collecting skills.


    I look forward to watching the conflict in which the military takes a ball of junk and starts rolling people up in it, or carries ridiculous-sized swords and rides around on giant chickens (Wark!).

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    1. Re:Gold Coins by Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is written in the book of Yahweh:

      After the Creation, the cruel god Moloch rebelled against the authority of Marduk the Creator. Moloch stole from Marduk the most powerful of all the artifacts of the gods, the Petroleum, and hid it in the dark cavities of Gehennom, the middle east, where he now lurks, and bides his time.

      Your god Yahweh seeks to possess the Petroleum, and with it to gain deserved ascendance over the other gods.

      You, a newly trained Neocon, have been heralded from birth as an insturment of Yahweh. You are destined to recover the Petroleum for your deity, or die in the attempt. Your hour of destiny has come. For the sake of us all: Go bravely with Yahweh!

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      Hello Bush, welcome to Iraq! You are a chaotic male human Neocon.
      You displaced your small dog.
      You see here a potion of oil.
      n - a potion of oil
      You see here a potion of booze.
      m - an iron ring
      What do you want to put on [m]? m
      You put on the iron ring.
      What do you want to remove [m]? m
      You can't. It seems to be cursed.
      What do you want to read? [f]? f
      You read a scroll of identify. What do you want to identify [*]? m
      A cursed ring of aggravate locals.
      You see here a river.
      What do you want to dip [n*]? m
      You unleash an insurgency!
      The insurgency hits!
      The insurgency hits!
      The insurgency hits!
      You die...
      Do you want your posessions identified [ynq]?

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  4. Bias in choices? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer having to make the moral choice between the rocket launcher and the land-shark gun.

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  5. Re:Female characters, augmented! by shadowcode · · Score: 3, Funny

    If I recall correct, Deus Ex was about breast augmentations.

  6. hunh? by Cyryathorn · · Score: 2, Funny

    So conservatives are pro-violence?

  7. Llamas by bornyesterday · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was always deeply offended by the SimCity series' bias towards Llamas. There are few animals more evil and mean-spirited than a llama, and Maxis' emphasis on this animal is suggestive of their cold-hearted capitalist aims!

    1. Re:Llamas by toddestan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was always deeply offended by the SimCity series' bias towards Llamas. There are few animals more evil and mean-spirited than a llama, and Maxis' emphasis on this animal is suggestive of their cold-hearted capitalist aims!

      Well then, the obvious solution would be to uninstall SimCity and install Winamp, right?

  8. Re:World View by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because a simulation is supposed to be an objective replication of reality. Think "The Next Generation"'s Holodeck. It's much like how journalism is an objective view of events.

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  9. Re:World View by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > Because a simulation is supposed to be an objective replication of reality.

    In other news, Rearden, Inc said to be interested in working with engineers from Pontifex and Railroad Tycoon as part of next-generation simulator to be coded in Objective C!

  10. Re:World View by bigjocker · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's much like how journalism is an objective view of events

    (Score:+5, Funny) or (Score:+5, Sad), I don't know which one is it ...

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  11. for example by kwoff · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the easter egg in GTA3, they show a clear bias toward badly filmed porn flicks and old-school arcade game graphics.

  12. Happy Ending in Deus Ex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Actually if you activate the cheat codes you can end the game with a dance party. Well, I guess that could be considered a dystopian ending too. Forever stuck on the dance floor... definite bias against old time Baptists.

  13. Doom is Startlingly Biased! by themesb · · Score: 1, Funny

    It billed itself as an impartial and realistic hell-invades-military-outpost simulator, but I'm beginning to notice a distinct anti-demonic-zombie bias. Also, the game is blatantly pro-shotgun.

  14. Re:Was Jesus a liberal? by NoData · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many lepers have you avoided this week?

    All of 'em.