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SCO Says Email Is Inaccurate

daria42 writes "The SCO Group has slammed as 'inaccurate' suggestions that an e-mail from one of its own engineers showed Linux did not contain copyright Unix code, and even forwarded its own historical memo to journalists in an attempt to discredit the e-mail published on Groklaw." From the article: "This memo shows that Mr. Davidson's e-mail is referring to an investigation limited to literal copying, which is not the standard for copyright violations, and which can be avoided by deliberate obfuscation, as the memo itself points out..." We reported on the email yesterday.

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  1. Copy Right Violations by NastyNate · · Score: 4, Funny

    No Copyright violations for you to see here. Please move along.

  2. Not surprised... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everything out of SCO has been inaccurate up to this point...

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    1. Re:Not surprised... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Funny

      SCO engineer: I compared the codes they are different.

      SCO lawyer: You mean they are the same.

      SCO engineer: No, I mean they are different.

      SCO lawyer: You mean they are the same.

      (Repeat the above 4000 times)

      SCO engineer: Yes... they are the same master!

    2. Re:Not surprised... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > SCO engineer: I compared the codes they are different.
      > SCO lawyer: You mean they are the same.
      > SCO engineer: No, I mean they are different.
      > SCO lawyer: You mean they are the same.
      > (Repeat the above 4000 times)
      > SCO engineer: Yes... they are the same master!

      Linus: Different.
      Darl: Same.
      Linus: Different.
      Darl: Same!
      Linus: Same!
      Darl: Different!
      Judge: *slams gavel on Darl's beak* Case dismissed!

      Darl: [twisting his beak from his jaw to the front of his face] Let's run through that again.

      Linus: Same.
      Darl: DIFFERENT! SUE THE TUX! SUE THE TUX!
      Judge: *slams gavel on Darl's beak again*

      Darl: [picking his beak off the floor] You're... dethpicable.

  3. 1999 invesitagtion trumps 2002 conclusion? by gsfprez · · Score: 5, Funny

    how the fcsk can it be than a 1999 investigation's initial findings, the Swartz investigation, show up "possible problems" and then in 2002, with Reg and Co examining the output of the 1999 investigation in 2002 and deeming that all the "problems" found in 1999 were actually NOT problems...such as legal use of BSD code, etc...

    but the initial 1999 look trumps the more thorough 200*BANG*

    my mind just exploded.

    i hate this case.

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  4. Example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here is an example of code that was STOLEN directly from the Unix code...

    int var1;

    And here's one they blatantly obfuscated:

    Original:
    int var1;
    var1 = 0;

    Obfuscated:
    int var_1 = 0;

    HOW DARE THEY!

  5. Is by paimin · · Score: 4, Funny

    It depends on what your definition of "is" is.

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  6. SCO's problem by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 5, Funny

    However, SCO said in a statement this afternoon, "it would simply be inaccurate - and misleading -- to use Mr Davidson's e-mail to suggest that SCO's internal investigation revealed no problems."

    Problem number 1: Linux doesn't contain any of SCO's intellectual property.

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  7. Tricky Linux programmers by kawika · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, SCO has found cases where their copyrighted code was stolen and then cleverly obfuscated by completely changing the variable names, comments, data structures and algorithms! But clearly it must have been stolen since it performs a similar function.

  8. Re:Nice try, Darl, but... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 5, Funny

    <blockquote>"We're finding...cases where there is line-by-line code in the Linux kernel that is matching up to our UnixWare code."</blockquote>

    From a good source I know Linux does indeed contain lines that are exactly the same as in UnixWare Code.

    e.g.:

    for (int i = 0; i < MAX_INT; i++)

    while (!done)

    ...

    There are many more to find. SCO has even reason to believe many more companies has copied these exact same code fragments!

  9. Liar Liar by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Haven't I seen this before?

    "Your honor, I object!"

    "And why is that, Mr. Reede?"

    "Because it's devastating to my case!"

    "Overruled."

    "Good call!"

    1. Re:Liar Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lt. Weinberg: "'I strenuously object?' Is that how it's done? Hm? 'Objection, your Honor.' 'Overruled.' 'No, no. I STRENUOUSLY object.' 'Oh. You strenuously object. Then I'll take some time and reconsider.'"

  10. Re:Denial. Brilliant! by CaptainZapp · · Score: 5, Funny
    Corporate America feels like a childish game of "You go home.... no you go home..... No you go home.... No"

    Actually it reminds me more of the small, obnoxious kid at the sandbox, which sticks his fingers into his ears and yells I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! on the top of his lungs.

    What a sorry bunch of wankers...

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    kraftwerk

  11. Paging the Iraqui ex-Information Minister! by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your "denial in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contratry" skills are needed in Utah!

  12. Re:A SCO developer running Windows 98? by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find it more interesting that you still find it interesting after all the insightful discussion you generated with basically the same comment in the last SCO discussion.

  13. Re:Nice try, Darl, but... by hurtta · · Score: 2, Funny

    From a good source I know Linux does indeed contain lines that are exactly the same as in UnixWare Code.

    e.g.:
    for (int i = 0; i < MAX_INT; i++)

    Very unlikely that this kind code is on Linux (kernel), because that is not C.

    (It looks like C++ code. )

  14. Bible verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darl(21:50): It's reasonable, except when the comment codes are the same, the humor lines in the comment code are the same, and the typos in the comment code are the same, then you start getting beyond...

    What the? Is that a Bible Verse? John (3:16), Darl (21:50).

  15. Re:Nice try, Darl, but... by telecsan · · Score: 2, Funny
    looks more like C# or maybe Java...?

    nothing wrong with that syntax in any C-based language (including C) other than the fact that there's no end to the statement.
    for (int i = 0; i < MAX_INT; i++)
    i--;
    Now that represents the SCO lawsuit better.
  16. Re:Denial. Brilliant! by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

    feels like a childish game

    SCO: "NO! It's MY fingerpainting, and he took it from me! Mine, mine, mine, mine!!!"

    Parent: "Honey, it's not your fingerpainting, I saw him make it the other day. It doesn't even look like yours."

    SCO: (hands over ears) "La La LA LA LA, I can't hear you, La La LA LA LA!!!!"

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  17. Re:Nice try, Darl, but... by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

    You wouldn't believe how many times they copied lines. They even used similar variables and function names, containing words like SCSI, interrupt, and other such terms.

    Now, if we do a statistical analysis, given 26 lower case characters, 26 upper case characters, 10 numbers, and the '_', along with 9 letters in 'interrupt', we come to the conclusion that the odds of repeating that exact term just *once* (let alone the many times like Linux does) are about 16,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1. Linux has, quite obviously, been seriously ripping off UnixWare.

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  18. Re:OMGWTFBBQ by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you lie to the public and you know its a lie, then that is fraud. What if you lie to the public and you can tell that it is a lie because you're fucking nuts? I smell an insanity defense in the works for Darl... at least, that is the only rational explanation I can come up with to explain his public statements!

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  19. Re:Nice try, Darl, but... by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn that "Linus" and his clever hippie-communist logic!

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  20. Re:Tired? No way! by cHiphead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tom Cruise? Are you as in desperate need of psychiatric help as him?

    Jon Stewart would be Groklaw.

    And Darl McBride would be played by Hayden Christiansen just so they could chop off his arms and legs at the end.

    Cheers.

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  21. Re:Denial. Brilliant! by Winkhorst · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, my mother used to do that, but not in a sandbox, fortunately.

    NEWSFLASH: SCO today denied reports that they think the world is flat. In a statement issued by CEO Daryl Whats-his-face, the company suggested that they had only meant to say that there were certain parts of it that appeared to be flat. "This is fully within the parameters of linguistic theory," said Daryl. "We never meant to imply that it's ALL flat." Daryl refused to elaborate on which areas of the world he thought "looked" flat.

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  22. Re:Why backpedal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Go forwards, not backwards. Upwards, not forwards. And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

  23. Re:tired by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that really off-topic?

    That comment has some relevance to the topic in hand, so by applying case law and using the BETAMAX case, that comment is not in fact off-topic because it has some relevance to the story discussed even if portion of it is not directly on-topic.

  24. Re:The beauty of the GPL by gvc · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darl's response to this one is a story about a pregnant cow. It makes no sense, but it is Darl's answer. I'll paraphrase:

    If A sells B a pregnant cow, and neither is aware of the pregnancy, who owns the calf?

  25. Re:The beauty of the GPL by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
    If A sells B a pregnant cow, and neither is aware of the pregnancy, who owns the calf?

    Chewbacca.
    Let the Wookie win.

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  26. Linus should by Solr_Flare · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sue SCO for emotional distress due to constantly laughing his ass off at them.

    He'd have a better chance at winning that too than SCO ever will with their case.

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  27. Email is Inaccurate by Charles+W+Griswold · · Score: 2, Funny

    SCO Says Email Is Inaccurate

    What, even the ones that promise to make my penis larger?
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  28. Am I wrong? by fighthairloss · · Score: 2, Funny

    Normally I like to see the underdog put up a spirited fight. Normally I like to see Davids stand up to Goliaths.

    In this case, I feel almost weasley, but at the same time I know I shouldn't...

    I *WANT* to see the bug get crushed!

    I *WANT* to see what happens when the biggest kid in class, trying to restrain himself from smashing the loudmouth punk, finally loses it and gets medieval.

    I *WANT* to see the SEC investigate the crooks for this pump-and-dump sham.

    Finally, I *SOOOOO WANT* to see Darl one day have to take a job as a janitor at OSDL.

    Am I wrong for this?

  29. TRANSLATED by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"

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  30. Re:Why backpedal? by chrish · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

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  31. I can see it now... by oahazmatt · · Score: 2, Funny

    SCO accuses IBM lawyers of corrupting Judge: IBM: This isn't the code you're looking for. Judge: This isn't the code I'm looking for... IBM: We can go about our business. Judge: You can go about your business... IBM: McBride's got the body of a baltic hooker in his trunk...

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  32. Re:Denial. Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No, thats where Linux isn't ready for the desktop came from.
    I get nothing to duck from!

  33. Re:OMGWTFBBQ by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

    insanity... only rational explanation

    Ironically insanity is always a rational explanation

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