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What is Mainframe Culture?
An anonymous reader asks: "A couple years ago Joel Spolsky wrote an interesting critique of Eric S. Raymond's The Art of Unix Programming wherein Joel provides an interesting (as usual) discussion on the cultural differences between Windows and Unix programmers. As a *nix nerd in my fifth year managing mainframe developers, I need some insight into mainframe programmers. What are the differences between Windows, Unix, and mainframe programmers? What do we all need to know to get along in each other's worlds?"
The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. - Edsger Dijkstra That said, mainframe/cobol programmers are just second grade grammar teachers posing as computer programmers
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How is Linux "better"?
Dreamweaver does come in very handy for designing asp.net pages.
Also, You are a smug son of a bitch. You think you are so fucking smart but it is obvious to me and anyone with half a brain that you are just another slashbot with no clue.
Yeah yeah, blame the programmer for the boss' lousy buisness plan. Make some nonsensical jab at "dreamweaver 'programming'". And wave your 10 years in the industry dick around. It is all very impressive.
Here is a clue: In our project, like many web projects there was one web designer who used dreamweaver. I was not him. I was one of the 6-7 programmers who worked on the back end of the site pretty much only using Visual Studio and Enterprise Manager. In my own personal asp.net projects I use dreamweaver to design the site, but like anyone who knew anything about web development would tell you, You Do Not Program In Dreamweaver. Hell, even a 2nd year CS student would have figured that out by now just by reading this thread. I don't know what they pay you to do at your company but my guess is that it isn't to learn new things. Like has been stated by several users, in asp.net projects all of the real programming takes place in Visual Studio using c#.
Assuming I don't get tired of the smug assholes I'm pretty sure I'll still be programming away in 10 years time. There is probably no convincing you of this, but then again, you can't even grasp the fundamentals of web design and programming so it's probably not a big deal. Wherever I am be in ten years but if I am anything like you I hope someone puts a bullet in my head.
no one has sold a NT machine for close to 5 years.
How can you call yourself a technologist if you don't keep up with whats happening out there.
Who run Barter Town?
Not hard. Surreal. Academics live in a totally different world, for the most part. The only professors I ever really liked were the ones that took a few years to go work in the "real world" before returning to teach. They actually had a modicum of common sense.
My blog. Good stuff (when I remember to update it). Read it.
I am a programmer, and about 15 years ago, I got suckered in a job where I had to touch a beige toaster.
Well, that system is so crufty that after a while, it was painfully obvious that despte all the hype about "user friendlyness" and all that oxdung, at a given point, you had to give up the tricycle and had to learn how to use a bicycle.
A whole industry has been suckered into using a bloated, overpriced, crufty platform: the pre-press industry (graphic arts).
Many times, I would work on extremely complex projects (say two 900 page books at a time) on extremely tight deadlines.
Needless to say, this stretched the poor macintrashes to the limit, making one realizes that you cannot have a whole industry run solely on that kind of platforms.
At a given point, when you do **DEAD SERIOUS** stuff, you have to **LEARN** to use a computer properly, not shield yourself behind pretty mickey-mouse GUIs and be totally oblivious on the function of your tool, to the point that it will cough-up on you.