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Video Games Need A Woman's Touch

hattan wrote to mention an AP article going around detailing one woman's frustration with the roles for women in games. From the article: "Tara Teich enjoys nothing more than slipping into the role of a female video game character. But the 26-year-old software programmer gets annoyed by the appearance of such digital alter egos as the busty tomb raider Lara Croft or the belly-baring Wu the Lotus Blossom of 'Jade Empire.' Don't even get her started on the thong-bikini babes that the male gunmen win as prizes in 'Grand Theft Auto,' which was sent to stores with hidden sex scenes left embedded on the discs by programmers. "

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  1. If you want something more feminine, make it by etymxris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one's creative work "needs" anything. If you don't like what someone has made, then make your own. There's plenty of media and games out there I have no interest in, or that even downright annoy me. Do I say everyone should be making the types of games I like? No, different people have different tastes. I stick to the games I like, and others can do likewise.

  2. Why? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, she asks, must women in video games always look like Las Vegas show girls?

    For the same reason the men look like action heros.

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    1. Re:Why? by Vicissidude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No shit. Most of the guys buying these games will never have the same muscles of the characters in the game.

      It's a game, people. Someone's taking all this wayyy too seriously.

    2. Re:Why? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just don't ignore the ways in which the objectification of women in video games, magazines, etc. contributes to anorexia and depression, not to mention the vanity and consumerism that have taken over the capitalist world.

      Self Esteem trumps all that. It's called SELF esteem, you have got to fight off the objectification, subjagation, humiliation, assumption, and criticism thrown at you by your environment yourself. Then all this becomes bullshit.

    3. Re:Why? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm not being prudish here. Have your sex. Just don't ignore the ways in which the objectification of women in video games, magazines, etc. contributes to anorexia and depression, not to mention the vanity and consumerism that have taken over the capitalist world.

      I think you'll find the never-ending barrage of "Read about $CELEBRITY's amazing new diet", "Look just like $CELEBRITY", "How $CELEBRITY has her pre-baby body back", etc, etc in /female-oriented media/ has a hell of a lot more to do with it than any "objectification of women" in the general (and even male-oriented) media.

      Every now and then I pick up one of these magazines while I'm waiting in a checkout line - it really is quite amazing (and depressing) how every issue, targeting every age group, has relentless pressure to get skinnier and hence be more attractive.

      Women are vastly more fussy than men when it comes to deeming people "attractive" (or, in the Australian vernacular, "rootable"). Presumably they think men are the same, producing the never-ending pressure to live up to some unattainable benchmark of feminine beauty.

      At least, that's the only way I've ever been able to make sense of how women behave when it comes to what they look like...

    4. Re:Why? by Vicissidude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tend to agree, men and women are equally stereotyped in video games, however to a lot of feminists find men are positively stereotyped (if such a thing exists), and women are negatively stereotyped.

      I don't see that. Both sexes are displayed as the sexual ideal. If feminists see a female character with big boobs, a tight ass, and the perfect figure as a negative stereotype, while simultaneously seeing a male character with a muscular chest and bulging biceps as a positive stereotype, then feminists have other issues than merely image.

    5. Re:Why? by Vicissidude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From what I can see, women first objectify themselves long before men come into the picture. Girls are now fighting to wear makeup and skimpy outfits in elementary school, long before their parents or the boys take notice. It's all in competition with the other girls to outdo each other. Over time, that competition with the other girls, and eventually women, evolves to an advanced level where things like anorexia come into play.

      Historically, skinny wasn't a "look" until the common people had enough food to become fat. Even now, poor societies picture overweight women as more attractive than thin girls who can't afford enough to eat. As soon as everyone in our "rich" society was fat, the rich celebrities all became skinny to look different. Now thin is in and people are literally dying to become skinny.

      As far as I'm concerned, women can blame themselves just as much as men for their own problems. It's their own vanity to appear like the wealthy celebrities that are doing them in. Take some frickin' responsibility for your own life, please.

    6. Re:Why? by Murasaki+Skies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the real problem is that many women very much dislike seeing any female that's more than slightly more attractive than them.

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  3. Hooray... by ooPo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet another article on women in the games industry that contains no more information than a few rambling paragraphs about a random game player, who happens to be female, not enjoying what the industry has to offer.

    If you don't like the games, stop buying them. Vote with your dollars, people.

    How is this even news? Is it because she's female? Is that supposed to matter? Guys dislike crappy games, too.

    1. Re:Hooray... by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Judging from women's magazines most women either don't care or enjoy looking at attractive women.

      It hasn't hurt cosmo's numbers.

    2. Re:Hooray... by Iriel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a reason the phrase doesn't make sense. It was created by the industry, for the industry. The companies and organizations that usually use it are the people who are snickering back stage because they know that they've already got the majority. They tell you to vote with your dollars because the people that will vote against them make no difference.

      That's just my two cents.

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    3. Re:Hooray... by ooPo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its not that your vote isn't counting - its just that you're being outvoted. Stop whining because you didn't win... at least you still have your dollars. :)

  4. and she would rather... by fool36 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    see a fat woman with big hair and lots of tatoos?

    1. Re:and she would rather... by Nasarius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A touch of realism would be nice. I'm getting tired of the enormous adolescent-fantasy boobs everywhere.

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  5. This again? by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Geez, we almost got through a week without a "The game industry needs to ______ to attract more female gamers!" article, but Zonk steps in at the last minute with another one...

    It's a shame that none of the people who know exactly how to attract female gamers bother to actually, y'know, make games. (With the one exception of Brenda Laurel, who mostly succeeded in issuing lots of press releases about how smart she is before blowing through all her investors' money.)

  6. For a good rant by linuxwrangler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't even get her started on the thong-bikini babes that the male gunmen win as prizes in 'Grand Theft Auto,' which was sent to stores with hidden sex scenes left embedded on the discs by programmers.

    There is a funny rant about this in today's sfgate.com (There's Sex In My Violence! What's this lame soft-core porn doing in my ultraviolent "Grand Theft Auto"? I am outraged!).

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  7. Hot Coffee demeans women? Ridiculous by J23SE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow... And just as we thought Hot Coffee was dead.

    This 'feminist' attitude in particular annoys the hell out of me. How is it that consentual sex with a *girlfriend* in a game is automatically considered demeaning to women?

    Does 'feminism' imply that all mention of sex should be eradicated? Because somehow males only use it for their pleasure or to demean women? Sorry to break it to these 'feminists', but women enjoy sex too.

    And on top of that, the amount of time and effort it takes to get with any of the women in GTA for 'hot coffee' is significantly higher than what it takes to learn to fly, defeat a drug ring, and take over half a city. Real life women are usually far easier.

    Skewed attitudes about sex do exist in videogames, but the article seems to be grabbing at popularity here. Maybe instead of getting on the bandwagon and producing a knee jerk response to the 'awful sex' in GTA the author should actually think about what he or she is implying.

    End rant.. that just pissed me off.

  8. Why these endless stories? by Evro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's with this onslaught of "there's not enough female programmers" or "I don't like the portrayal of women in video games" stories? Why is it "important" that we have more women programmers? I have no problem with it either way, as people should be judged based on performance, but if programming doesn't interest women, why is that being portrayed as some sort of failure by the industry? I've said it before and I'll say it again: men and women are different, they have different abilities, inclinations, emotions, brains and bodies.

    I find it hard to believe that many (or probably any) women decided against a career in programming because of scantily clad or anatomically-exaggerated female characters in games. People who program tend to do so because they like to program. There are hudreds, if not thousands, of programming roles that have no interaction with large-breasted female pixel-models. Even within a given game, there's so much to do besides render the models that this entire line of reasoning is just asinine. If you don't like the products your company makes, work somewhere else.

    As for nudity in games: every information medium ever created was promptly appropriated for pornography. Considering sex is among the most important issues for people everywhere, since about... forever, I don't see why this is surprising or shocking.

    A game like GTA:SA is targeted at a specific demographic: men over the age of 18. If the game sells well in its target market then it's a success. If people outside the target demo don't like it, it doesn't really matter. The games industry has introduced games targeted at females of several age groups and by and large, they're flops. The reason behind this is pretty simple; see my first paragraph.

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  9. Why don't people complain this much about TV by hattan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many of the shows on TV contain scenes that contain sexual situations, even if they don't show much skin its still suggestive. Also women on TV are often dressed in skimpy outfits, why is it 100 times worse if its in a game?

  10. Samus gets no love by XenoRyet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just have one thing to say: If Lara Croft gets used as the first and typical example of a female video game heroine, I'm gonna start slapping people. If you have a discusion about this and don't mention that Samus Aran was in fact the first, and exemplifies everything that's right with a video game heroine, you need to give up your gamer licence immediatly.

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  11. Re:this just ties in with society by Nasarius · · Score: 2, Insightful
    there is going to be an social revolution just opposite of the sixties in about 15 years. wait for it.

    I think you have it backwards. The porn fetish is because of the taboo. Compare with western Europe. Most of the countries are much more sexually liberal, with sex education starting at an early age. The result? Fewer teenage pregnancies, no association of simple nudity with sex, and fewer problems with sex in general.

    In short, it would be difficult for America to go even further backwards unless they want to reenter the Dark Ages.

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  12. Re:this just ties in with society by zxnos · · Score: 2, Insightful
    how is it going backwards to respect women instead trating them as objects and sex slaves? i agree that if we had better sex education things would be better. there is a difference between healthy sexuality and pornography.

    last time i was in europe i didnt see any 12 year old girls wearing 'porn *' shirts.

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  13. Re:There ARE! by TaraTeich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm. The GAME industry certainly isn't ignoring the fact that web/downloadable games are wildly popular with women. It's the MEDIA that ignores it. I brought up the fact that this is one of the fastest growing categories of games in my interview. But. That's not a hot button topic like GTA, so it didn't get mentioned.

    As to women not liking competition, I don't know if you've met any. Women that is. Most of the women I know are fiercely competitive. I know I am. I know I'm not the exception either. There's all sorts of competitiveness in women, it just comes out in different ways.

    Does playing with dolls really tell us something? Ever play with dolls yourself? You sure? What about action figures, or GI Joes? I'm not really so sure what playing with dolls means. Women like competition and challenges. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't met a woman. What are all those women playing Bejeweled doing? Trying to get a top score. Trying to beat their friends score. Trying to break a record. That's competition.