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Video Games Need A Woman's Touch

hattan wrote to mention an AP article going around detailing one woman's frustration with the roles for women in games. From the article: "Tara Teich enjoys nothing more than slipping into the role of a female video game character. But the 26-year-old software programmer gets annoyed by the appearance of such digital alter egos as the busty tomb raider Lara Croft or the belly-baring Wu the Lotus Blossom of 'Jade Empire.' Don't even get her started on the thong-bikini babes that the male gunmen win as prizes in 'Grand Theft Auto,' which was sent to stores with hidden sex scenes left embedded on the discs by programmers. "

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  1. If you want something more feminine, make it by etymxris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one's creative work "needs" anything. If you don't like what someone has made, then make your own. There's plenty of media and games out there I have no interest in, or that even downright annoy me. Do I say everyone should be making the types of games I like? No, different people have different tastes. I stick to the games I like, and others can do likewise.

  2. Why? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, she asks, must women in video games always look like Las Vegas show girls?

    For the same reason the men look like action heros.

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    1. Re:Why? by Vicissidude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tend to agree, men and women are equally stereotyped in video games, however to a lot of feminists find men are positively stereotyped (if such a thing exists), and women are negatively stereotyped.

      I don't see that. Both sexes are displayed as the sexual ideal. If feminists see a female character with big boobs, a tight ass, and the perfect figure as a negative stereotype, while simultaneously seeing a male character with a muscular chest and bulging biceps as a positive stereotype, then feminists have other issues than merely image.

    2. Re:Why? by Vicissidude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From what I can see, women first objectify themselves long before men come into the picture. Girls are now fighting to wear makeup and skimpy outfits in elementary school, long before their parents or the boys take notice. It's all in competition with the other girls to outdo each other. Over time, that competition with the other girls, and eventually women, evolves to an advanced level where things like anorexia come into play.

      Historically, skinny wasn't a "look" until the common people had enough food to become fat. Even now, poor societies picture overweight women as more attractive than thin girls who can't afford enough to eat. As soon as everyone in our "rich" society was fat, the rich celebrities all became skinny to look different. Now thin is in and people are literally dying to become skinny.

      As far as I'm concerned, women can blame themselves just as much as men for their own problems. It's their own vanity to appear like the wealthy celebrities that are doing them in. Take some frickin' responsibility for your own life, please.

    3. Re:Why? by Murasaki+Skies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the real problem is that many women very much dislike seeing any female that's more than slightly more attractive than them.

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  3. Hooray... by ooPo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet another article on women in the games industry that contains no more information than a few rambling paragraphs about a random game player, who happens to be female, not enjoying what the industry has to offer.

    If you don't like the games, stop buying them. Vote with your dollars, people.

    How is this even news? Is it because she's female? Is that supposed to matter? Guys dislike crappy games, too.

  4. and she would rather... by fool36 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    see a fat woman with big hair and lots of tatoos?

    1. Re:and she would rather... by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


      "Trailer Park Girl" Only for XBOX!

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  5. Breaking news! by line-bundle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Daytime TV shows need a man's touch.

  6. Women in video games by imr · · Score: 4, Funny

    show that it's gamers who need a woman's touch.

  7. 97% of Slashdot readers are men by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Funny

    OSTG user statistics (Including Slashdot).
    - 97% of OSTG readers are men
    - average age is 29

    Arguing about women in games on Slashdot is like a vegan arging about animal rights in a sausage factory.

  8. This again? by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Geez, we almost got through a week without a "The game industry needs to ______ to attract more female gamers!" article, but Zonk steps in at the last minute with another one...

    It's a shame that none of the people who know exactly how to attract female gamers bother to actually, y'know, make games. (With the one exception of Brenda Laurel, who mostly succeeded in issuing lots of press releases about how smart she is before blowing through all her investors' money.)

  9. For a good rant by linuxwrangler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't even get her started on the thong-bikini babes that the male gunmen win as prizes in 'Grand Theft Auto,' which was sent to stores with hidden sex scenes left embedded on the discs by programmers.

    There is a funny rant about this in today's sfgate.com (There's Sex In My Violence! What's this lame soft-core porn doing in my ultraviolent "Grand Theft Auto"? I am outraged!).

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  10. Why don't people complain this much about TV by hattan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many of the shows on TV contain scenes that contain sexual situations, even if they don't show much skin its still suggestive. Also women on TV are often dressed in skimpy outfits, why is it 100 times worse if its in a game?

  11. Samus gets no love by XenoRyet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just have one thing to say: If Lara Croft gets used as the first and typical example of a female video game heroine, I'm gonna start slapping people. If you have a discusion about this and don't mention that Samus Aran was in fact the first, and exemplifies everything that's right with a video game heroine, you need to give up your gamer licence immediatly.

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  12. Women ARE objects in games by LinuxPoultergist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Woman lucy = new Woman();

  13. I was misquoted by TaraTeich · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the midst of a long conversation with a reporter about being a woman programmer and a woman gamer, he posed the question, how do you feel about the representation of women in games? I responded that I don't know why woman have to be so scantily clad, but it doesn't stop me from playing the games.

    I had lots of good things to say about games. I am a gamer, I love games, including Jade Empire, and I never made a single comment about the portrayal of women in GTA. Note he says, "Don't get her started on..." He didn't get me started. It never came up. I thought the interesting part of the article was going to be about the challenges of breaking into a difficult industry, and the challenges of broadening the appeal of the industry beyond the hardcore gamer.

    I didn't just use The Sims as an example of accessible, non "male oriented" games. I cited several examples to show that there's a public misconception that there are no other types of games out there. Look at Amplitude, Pikmin, Karaoke Revolution, look at the growing online gaming sector. My hope was to show that the game industry is NOT in need of a woman's touch. It's in need of better publicity. This article just reinforces the stereotypes.

    Don't believe everything you read.

  14. The Five Foot Phallus Rule by MiceHead · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If oversexualizing female characters has brought the industry more male gamers, the obvious solution to the problem of an underrepresented female gamer population is to oversexualize male characters.

    Being an independent developer, we have an enormous amount of freedom in how we can portray our in-game characters. In our most recent action title, we made sure to portray male and female characters in a fairly realistic fasion. The result was that a major gaming magazine chided us for a female protagonist that wasn't busty enough. Apparently our undersexualized portrayal of women is a turn-off for males.

    Similarly, we've noticed that for our puzzle games (where we portray no people), women make up roughly half of our customers. This drops way down for our action titles (where we do portray people). I must guess, then, that our undersexualized portrayal of men in these games has been a turn off for women. As such, starting with our next title, we will implement the Five Foot Phallus rule.

    Let me explain.

    • The Five Foot Phallus - All major male characters will possess a phallus at least five feet in length.
    • Minor Characters may have phalli that are 3-4 feet long, which is closer to the human average, so nobody can complain about that.
    • Gameplay - It should be noted that such a member is soley for aesthetic presentation, and will not affect gameplay. Players will not be able to walk up to enemies and beat them to death with their enormous genitalia. This only goes along with the industry trend, since in most video games, you can't use a female character's ridiculous bosom to suffocate opponents.
    • Simulation - We're currently researching how we might most naturally present this, and are looking into licensing various engines for rigid-body physics.
    I'm convinced that this move will bring the female demographic for our action games up in no time.

    What do you think?
  15. Re:There ARE! by TaraTeich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm. The GAME industry certainly isn't ignoring the fact that web/downloadable games are wildly popular with women. It's the MEDIA that ignores it. I brought up the fact that this is one of the fastest growing categories of games in my interview. But. That's not a hot button topic like GTA, so it didn't get mentioned.

    As to women not liking competition, I don't know if you've met any. Women that is. Most of the women I know are fiercely competitive. I know I am. I know I'm not the exception either. There's all sorts of competitiveness in women, it just comes out in different ways.

    Does playing with dolls really tell us something? Ever play with dolls yourself? You sure? What about action figures, or GI Joes? I'm not really so sure what playing with dolls means. Women like competition and challenges. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't met a woman. What are all those women playing Bejeweled doing? Trying to get a top score. Trying to beat their friends score. Trying to break a record. That's competition.