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New Apples Next Week

Vicissidude writes "CNN/Money reports: 'Apple may be gearing up to unveil a new slate of mini-Macs and may also release updated versions of its popular iBook laptop computers as early as next Tuesday, according to unconfirmed reports on a Web site that tracks Apple.' The Web site Think Secret reported three new Mac mini and two new iBook part numbers have appeared in Apple's retail database, indicating that new models are imminent. Apple would neither confirm nor deny the reports. The new mini models will be priced at $499, $599 and $699, with new iBooks priced at $999 and $1,299, according to the original story at Think Secret."

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  1. My iBook died two months ago... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Unless these are Intel machines, I won't buy. Sorry, I don't want to invest in a dying platform. I'm no Intel fan (more an AMD fan, and I loved the PowerPC), but buying a Gx Mac now is thrown away money. Whatever Steve says, I don't believe that binaries will stay Intel/PowerPC for very long.

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    1. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by WayneTheGoblin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Au Contraire...

      The PPC platform isn't dying.
      There are still some new PPC products in the pipeline, and when the intel based macs come out, there won't be a noticible difference for the end user, as all apps will include both X86 and PPC binary code.

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    2. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm sure Steve wants us to buy PPC machines, but do you really take Steves word that the PPC won't be dropped? Personally, I don't believe a word of it. The day that Intel Macs come out, the PCC is dead. Nobody will develop for it. The only option you'll have it to run Linux or NetBSD (okay, OpenBSD too) on it. That's good, but the reason for buying a Mac is OS X.

      as all apps will include both X86 and PPC binary code.

      The future will tell, but my bet is that it won't be true. PCC will be dropped like a hot stone.

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    3. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "PCC will be dropped like a hot stone. "

      Will be?

      All serious PPC development has ground to a complete halt. Anyone who says differently is either delusional or trying to keep people from leaving the platform.

      Any work done on PPC code right now is throwing very expensive development money out the door. No one but the biggest developers are going to bother keeping two different types of Macs around just for testing.

      If you are an Apple developer, you are looking at the earliest possible time to dump your PPC support - no matter what you are telling your customers.

    4. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1, Interesting
      There is one thing you overlook: this is not a migration from a "minor" CPU to another "minor" CPU. This is a migration from a "minor" CPU to the market leader! (Let's keep discussions whether AMD is better than Intel out of here, I'm talking volume)

      This is in the same league as Microsoft not supporting Windows 2000 anymore. You have to have at least Windows XP. Soon enough, you'll get "for OS X Intel" only on software in the stores. People want the software, and thus will buy the hardware that runs it. Steve is not dumb: dropping PPC will increase his sales dramatically. "We'll support PPC for a long while" is just in order not to scare actual Apple users. In reality, they'll have to upgrade withing two years.

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    5. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no way I'd buy a G4, but I'm planning to get a G5 iMac very soon. And I'm looking forward to it not just because it's a great computer, but also because 10 years from now it'll be an interesting bit of computing history to have in my collection.

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    6. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by Clock+Nova · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You guys don't really know your Apple history, do you? When Apple made the transition from 68k to PPC, every application imaginable was released in fat binaries for several years afterwards, meaning that people running both processors were fully supported throughout the transition. When Apple moved to OSX, OS9 users were given ample time to make the switch, with measures such as the Carbon libs and Classic mode easing the way.

      Face it - Apple has a history of supporting their legacy customers for as long as is technically and financially feasable, and the developers have generally gone along with this. Your imagined examples of non-support notwithstanding, there's just no evidence to suggest that either Apple or its developers would just suddenly drop PPC support the moment the first Intel Mac rolls off the production line. As has been stated before, there's going to be a majority of PPC Macs in users' hands for at least the next five to six years. No software company in their right mind would just abandon that market for convenience sake.

      Calm down. A PPC iBook purchased this year will suit you perfectly well for the next five years. That being said, you can always wait another year for the latest and greatest. Then you could wait another year for the latest and greatest. Then you could wait another year for the latest and greatest. Then you could wait another year for the latest and greatest. Then you could wait another year for the latest and greatest...

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    7. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by rsborg · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Will be?

      All serious PPC development has ground to a complete halt. Anyone who says differently is either delusional or trying to keep people from leaving the platform.

      Are you seriously trying to say that all new OSX software developed NOW will only be supported on the latest platform?

      Jeebus, you know nothing about making software. I work at a software company, and if we ignored even 3 year old platforms, we'd be making very little money. Developers would love to dump the mature/legacy architectures, but that's what people use... and that's why developers are often not heads of companies. Only rich geeks or idiots keep buying the latest and greatest.. the rest of us buy the latest once in a while, but for the most part use devices for 3-7 years.

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    8. Re:My iBook died two months ago... by groomed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apple has a history of supporting their legacy customers for as long as is technically and financially feasable

      No they don't.

      Apple has abandoned SCSI and the floppy without any advance notice. Regardless of the merits of this decision, it wasn't very pleasant for those with an investment in SCSI hardware or floppies.

      Prior to that was the clones/CHRP experiment. Apple pulled the plug on that one. Also not a lot of fun if you happened to have been following Apple on that.

      Very recently, the iPod battery. Battery dead? Buy a new iPod. Great legacy support there as well.

      As for software, here the examples of poor legacy support are almost too numerous to mention. QuickDraw GX, OpenDoc, Copland, Rhapsody: all of these were unceremoniously dumped by Apple, after they spent years telling developers to invest in it.

      So honestly, no, Apple doesn't have a history of "supporting their legacy customers" at all. They have a history of moving on to the Next Big Thing.

  2. Re:With Intel processor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the same thing, but it does seem far to soon for that (I doubt they would go sooner than the 2006 estimation, besides the fact that they want ample time for software developers to adapt).

    That being said, there was much speculation that the mini would be the first to change, and the ibook would also be a good candidate.

  3. eSATA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they're smart, they'll put eSATA ports on the new Mac Minis for attaching external storage. Yes, you can put attach external storage thru the usb2 and firewire ports but requiring usb and firewire bridgeboards on the external drives ups the cost of external storage considerably. What would be really cool is some kind of modular external storage device that the Mac Mini would connect directly to and get rid of the inboard disk drive and replace it with flash memory instead.

  4. CNN is quoting Think Secret?? by mikeloader · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is what Fox-style journalism has done to the news world? CNN no longer does its own reporting and relies on rumors posted on the web site of a university student? Granted, Think Secret has been amazing accurate, so much so that Apple has sued them, but it is after all a rumor site run by a university student. CNN pays reporters to investigate stories, they shouldn't be reporting them from rumor sites without additional facts to corroborate them.

  5. Re:apple need to bump up the entry level spec by amichalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple should be pushing the minimal spec upwards, not stripping everything off so that it can get it's headlines saying *Mac's are now affordable*

    I would like to offer a descenting opinion. I feel that Apple does a great job of specing out systems with standard features that make them relevant years from now. Making a 512MB RAM standard across the line, except the mini, is one example. Standard USB 2, Firewire, Bluetooth, etc are others.

    But if every Mac came optioned up with Superdrives and the like, there would be no 'entry level' model. My iMac G5 has Bluetooth and Airport Express standard. I don't use those at all. but I paid for them. It also has a Superdrive I didn't need but have used twice for fun so I'm glad I have it. Still, it would have been nice to save $200, or nearly 15%, and not gotten those options.

    Just like people think Apple is the BMW of computers, BMW still has options for their luxury cars.

    Where Apple does falter in my opinion is in the video cards. If they are going to make eMacs, iMacs, and Mac minis (as well as iBooks and PBs) without upgradable video chipsets, then they need to put in something that is above par for he rest of the system. How sad to have otherwise snappy system performance slowed down by a poor graphics card. I would gladly trade the forementioned wireless access innards for a better graphics chipset.

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  6. Re:Check! by Sarojin · · Score: 0, Interesting

    If you consider that Doom 3 is single threaded and it seems silly to require SMP.

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  7. Re:apple need to bump up the entry level spec by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have different complaints. The bluetooth upgrades aren't readily available, the easiest way to upgrade a bluetooth capable Mac after it has shipped is to buy a USB dongle. I think this is unfortunate, given that there is a socket in the computer. I know there is a wireless upgrade kit for mini, getting such a kit for iMac and PowerMac seems impossible.

    I decided not to go the DVD writer route, I have other computers with a DVD writer and I don't use that feature very often.

    I do agree that Apple should re-figure their pricing. A $1000 laptop in an age of $500 laptops is simply not competitive.

    Some of the pricing is justifiable, the mini is basically a laptop, all their desktop computers short of eMac have a lot of custom aluminum extrusion, 1 lb of the mini's 3lbs is the aluminum shell, the iMac stand is a heavy chunk of aluminum, and Powermac has 1/8" / 3mm thick side plates.

    I opted for a good 3rd party TFT display from elsewhere (19" TFT for £179), as Apple seem to think that plonking down £550 for their entry level display is fine for everyone.

    I don't think they really think that. They probably felt that it isn't worth competing in the 15"-19" range with an aluminum-shelled desktop display. It would be nice if they did offer a differently-styled option. Apple was very clear that buyers can get third party displays, keyboards and mice, hence the BYODKM theme during its announcement.

  8. -2 Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How do you like them Apples?

  9. Re:Tell me again now, why buy a PowerBook? by EggyToast · · Score: 2, Interesting
    While I do agree that the powerbooks are more in need of an overall boost, there are some notable features that the iBooks lack. For instance, no line-in, no PCMCIA slot, less space for RAM upgrades, slower HDD.

    While things like wireless and DVD burning are options that will bring the price up for the ibooks, there still are distinct differences between the lines. It doesn't seem as obvious looking at the quick run-downs on Apple.com, but a good look at the tech specs for the individual lines does reveal more than just cosmetic differences that don't affect the user's experience much.

    However, I do think it's a travesty that wireless works better on iBooks than powerbooks. And that iBooks don't have covers that warp and bend over time, causing them to not close.

  10. Re:Big deal.... by Shawn+Parr · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I maintain the IT for a small company with about 50 computers. We have computers 9-10 years old still running Windows 2000, on pentium 2's and what not. Sure its not XP, but other than the end of life of 2000, I still have yet to see the benifit of XP... How many 10 year old macs are running OSX?
    Er, XP has been out for 5 years now, so your 10 year old machines are running 5 year old outdated software. What you are really asking is how many 5 year old Macs are running OS X, and that number is probably pretty high as any Mac sold within the last 5 years is still supported by at least 10.3 if not 10.4.

    I have a machine I purchased in early 2002. It replaced a machine I bought in 1997. That machine from 1997 continued to run until I sold it 3rd party in 2004, and I am sure it is still running today. If you wanted to you could run OS X on it, however it requires a 3rd party hack. But OS 9 for someone who hasn't had need to upgrade their software (much like you haven't had need of upgrading your OS) still works just fine. In fact I often wished that I still had that machine for a certain software that I still haven't found a real replacement for yet (and will not work in classic).

    As a matter of fact I purchased one of the first PPC machines back in 1995, and it is still in use by the person I sold it to. That is definitely 10 years old, but no it does not run OS X, but the tools that person uses were not upgraded enough for X for it to make sense for him to upgrade.

    The only reason I dream of upgrading today is simply for portability. I would love to have a laptop, and while newer machines can do tasks with a bit more spunk than my current machine, it certainly does handle what I need it to do.