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Annual Cost of Microsoft Monopoly: $10 Billion

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft's deals with major PC vendors lock users out from alternative options, such as Linux. A recent whitepaper calculates that the cost to industry of this Microsoft monopoly is $10 billion per year."

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  1. What's going to make them stop? by bigwavejas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until the penalties outweigh the revenue, what's going to make MS stop? This 300lb gorilla is going to keep stomping on the little people (Linux, FreeBSD and otherS) unless something changes. In addition... Even if this didn't exist MS still has a stranglehold on the software available for personal computers, everything from Games to Applications. That's the next hurdle.

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    1. Re:What's going to make them stop? by chia_monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sadly, you are very correct. I don't see an end to this monopoly anytime soon. Microsoft seems to be held to a completely different set of standards than other companies. It's either their market dominance that scares people, their deep pockets (which are filling other pockets), or a combination of these and more variables.

      The really sad part about it all is how Apple gets sued for the Tiger name or for "Apple" in cahoots with iTunes. Intel and AMD are going after each other. These are instances of competetition that is allowed to thrive and it's carrying over to the courts. Then you've got Microsoft getting pissy at Google and suing because Google is getting an ex-Microsoft employee (rumor has it, they're getting quite a few employees actually). And then you've got this monopoly business. This current administration in office doesn't care about Microsoft's anti-competitive practices. Microsoft has to get slapped pretty damn hard to stop...and I just don't think that will happen anytime soon.

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    2. Re:What's going to make them stop? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Probably true... But think about this: You're the IT person for a medium-sized company. You know that Linux is there, and know some stuff about it. You don't use it though.

      Now, Microsoft suddenly decides to make it more labor-intensive to keep your systems up to date: You have to verify the license. It's not much, but it would be enough to make you start looking at Linux a little harder, just after your next update round.

      Maybe you'll switch, maybe you won't, but you are thinking about it. If you do, you now will show every user in the company that Linux works. They had probably never heard of it. Maybe they'll like it. Maybe even take a look at it at home. Even if you don't, you may talk about it with your boss. Who make look at it, if you make a good enough case.

      No one cost in this is enough to force a switch. But every small cost is enough to make switching just that little bit more attractive. And any one switch is one more real-world example, making more switches more likely.

      This is how empires fall. Not all at once, but in pieces...

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  2. Poor Apple by databyss · · Score: 5, Funny

    Poor apple topic sandwiched between two microsoft topics...

    I predict apple juice.

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  3. Rich Uncle PennyBags would be shocked! by ballstothat · · Score: 5, Funny
    10 billion! Wow... that's like... 5 million hotels on boardwalk!

    I pity the thimble that lands there!

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  4. Microsoft OEM Pressure by segedunum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pressure from Microsoft on OEMs is very, very well know. Would it be tolerated in any other industry? Absolutely not, but there's a tendency from people to think that that's just the way things are when it comes to computers unfortunately.

  5. Re:10 Billion? What? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I calculated that numbers pulled out of asses cost the industry $98.2 billion last year!

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  6. Somewhere in Redmond... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    Bill is standing in front of a huge monitor displaying all the major hardware vendors. With a fluffy white cat on his lap and a pinky delicattely placed next to his mouth, he announces to the group that if they do not want his support revoked, they will have to pay, "One hundred Meeeellion dollars."

    The vendors laugh and a hush falls over the Redmond conference table. "Fine," replies Bill, calmly stroking the cat before deftly returning his pinky to his lips, "One hundred Beeeellion dollars!"

    "Shit," reply the executives.

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  7. Re:10 Billion? What? by bc90021 · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFWP. They figured out what it costs Australia, and they have numbers from Microsoft saying that Australia is 2% of MS's income.

    They extrapolate, based on their figure of $200 million in savings, which is 2% of $10 billion.

    In reality, in any given year, Microsoft makes $40 billion. Does it really seem ridiculous that 10 of that might be from their monopoly? It seems sensible to me. The WP points out that in buying a computer, that it used to be (ala early - mid 90s) that the hardware was about 85% of the cost, and the software 15%. Now, hardware costs have plummeted, whereas software prices have gone up. Now when you buy a computer, about 65% of the price is hardware, and 35% is software. Good points, if you ask me.

  8. I may very well get killed for this, but... by soma_0806 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me begin by saying I don't like Microsoft products. I think it's an evil, opportunistic company that is likely funded by Nazi gold, but....

    Microsoft itself is not the real culprit here. If the cost to the industry is really 10 billion, then the threshold for establishing a monopoly should be met. The problem is no real enforcement of the Sherman Act or any of the other federal "calls to arms" against monopoly.

    Like it or not, in capitalist society the message sent to business is to be as nasty as profitable and permitted. As long as consumers keep buying (maybe because they feel like they don't have a choice, and there is some argument there) and the government doesn't enforce its own laws (which is probably why consumers feel they have no choice), Microsoft can't be blamed overmuch.

    In short (too late!), the problem isn't really the 300 lb. gorilla. It's just doing what gorillas do. The problem is the federal prosecutor with the tranq gun taking a nap.

    AC
  9. My Resume Cover Letter by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Funny

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    $4.3 Billion
    $350k per year
    $20.34 for every person in the United States

    Please note how I was effortlessly able to adjust the meanings of the ass-pulled numbers by adding descriptive phrases, while still distancing the numbers from any real facts or statistics. I realize that it takes more than pulling numbers out of my ass to succeed in todays competitive white paper/consulting/propoganda market, and feel that I can be a great benefit to your company.

  10. Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by dsginter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's a blantant example of how Microsoft has everyone in their pocket:

    Dell Dimension 2400 w/ Windows XP = $299

    Same PC w/ FreeDOS = $319

    Now someone tell me how Microsoft prices Windows XP $20 cheaper than the same PC with a free operating system.

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    1. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is called a loss leader.. while illegal in theory it hasn't ever been used to prosecute a business for non-competivite behavior.

      Are you drunk, stupid, or joking? A loss leader? You honestly think MS pays all the computer manufacturers to include Windows on their machines and then makes their revenue selling, office or services or something? It is completely untrue. They sell Windows, but have contracts insuring they get paid for every PC sold, not for every PC with Windows. The extra money is for the expense of putting FreeDoS on the machine. They manage to get this ridiculously favorable deal because as a monopoly they have the power to put any PC seller out of business at their whim. Get a clue.

    2. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by BJZQ8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "incentives to ecourage Dell to keep the FreeDOS price up" I believe that's exactly what Microsoft was supposed to be prohibited from doing under the terms of its anti-trust settlement...Then again, you might also say "a huge stick to beat Dell with unless it keeps the FreeDOS price up"

    3. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by NatteringNabob · · Score: 5, Informative

      HP pulls the same crap. If you look at their otherwise very nice dual Opterona machines, they have one version with WinXP Pro that is $3499. The closest Linux version, with the HP Linux installer kit is $3799. Note that these machines do not come with Linux pre-installe,d they come with the HP 'linux installer kit' so it doesn't cost HP any more to produce these machines. In addition, these machines are specifically targeted at the Workstation market, not the Office PC market, so Linux would be a natural fit in this market. But some mysterious force prevents HP from selling the equivalent machine at a lower price with no OS. It is pretty darn obvious that the DOJ should have required that Microsoft's OEM agreements should always allow distributors to sell machines without Windows discounted by the cost of Windows. Instead, after a successful anti-trust prosecution, we get the same old slimy, probably illegal tactics that we have always seen from Microsoft. Thanks, W!

    4. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by dfiguero · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now someone tell me how Microsoft prices Windows XP $20 cheaper than the same PC with a free operating system.

      Easy:

      They have this deal where clippy will work their helpdesk for X amount of time for every copy of Windows sold...

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    5. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's not as insidious as you might think. Notice that the Dell with XP also has a bunch of other software, like AOL, Wordperfect, etc..

      AOL actually pays Dell a fee to include their software, as do the other companies that Dell provides "trial" software for (JASC and others, for instance). This allows them to sell the PC at a lower cost.

      Also note that the regular price for the PC is $349, and the $299 price is a special.

    6. Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly by dotpavan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now someone tell me how Microsoft prices Windows XP $20 cheaper than the same PC with a free operating system.

      simple math! it is because XP is worth -$20 :)

  11. Re:Dropping... by zxnos · · Score: 4, Interesting
    or

    3. businesses are not upgrading from windows 2000.

    4. many people find their 8 year old computer working just fine for internet/email/word processing/spreadsheets/tax software.

    5. some other ancedotal excuse.

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  12. Re:Of Course! by RailGunner · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Crush Microsoft and you have an epidemic ofo unemployment in your hands: most MCSEs won't be able to hack arcane *nix systems you no doubt cheer for.

    Maybe the MCSE's shouldn't have put their careers in the hand of one company, then? If MS collapses, and the MCSE's are all out of jobs - well, it's their problem for making a poor career choice. Maybe they should have seen the trend and prepared by learning about it.

    Software development, however, will not be affected. There's not much different when you're coding C++ for Windows or Linux. Or Java. Or Perl. Or [insert language here].

    There's not much different in using those computers, either. Thunderbird is similar in look and feel to Outlook, OpenOffice.org is similar to MS Office, and Firefox is well, Firefox, and a great number of Windows users are already running it.

  13. Hi... by Tebriel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like a big mac, a large fries, and a bullshit statistic to go, please.

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  14. Re:The number is crap by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and costs $1 trillion in virus/trojan/spam/malware costs because of homogenity.

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  15. The Slashdot Bandwagon by Boing · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm normally not one to point out examples of groupthink in this community. By and large, we have our biases same as every other discussion group that's ever existed.

    But: every time there's a new study on how "piracy costs the music industry N dollars", where N is the estimated number of piracy incidents times the average suggested retail price of the pirated materials, there is universal outrage. "That's fallacious," we cry, "it assumes that every incident of piracy would have otherwise been a retail purchase at full price!". And we are right to make that claim.

    However, here's a study that exercises a similar fallacy, and yet the outrage goes in the other direction. (and yes, I know this doesn't apply to everyone... I'm generalizing).

    We can't assume, if the major vendors decided to stop bundling Windows/Office tomorrow, that any significant number of people would happily explore alternative options and be just as satisfied.

    We can't assume, had Microsoft gone belly-up nine years ago, that people would have been perfectly content to start figuring out monitor sync rates and which filesystems with which to partition and format their hard drives.

    We can't assume that all the unwashed masses would've just gone to Apple; we can't assume they would've been able to afford it; we can't assume Apple's products would've advanced at the rate they have without the pressure of being the "underdog". And since the premise of this "study" (though I am loathe to call it that) is that of the cost of a monopoly, we can't assume Apple (or Linux, or whatever) "winning" the market would've been any better.

    Like it or not, Microsoft's presence and market dominance is an inextricable part of computing history. There is no way of even remotely predicting how the last twenty years would have panned out without it. And despite its grandiose claims, the authors of this article don't even seem to have bothered trying.

  16. Blame Game by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some things never change. The Slashdot crowd is still playing the blame game, working on the assumption that if Windows didn't have a large monopoly, Linux usage would be more widespread.

    Still ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people just don't want to use Linux even if given a choice, because it still has serious usability issues that show no signs of being solved. Mostly because even though it is "one OS" it still suffers from the fragmentation that killed UNIX as a viable platform. Instead of kernel/system call fragmentation, it is fragmentation of desktops (KDE, Gnome, etc) and services (different print systems, different X servers, different window managers, each with slightly incompatible ways to cut & paste, etc).

    Not to mention how much easier it is for developers to develop for Windows due to the fact that you don't have to worry about a billion different differences between distros, libc versions, kernel branches, etc.

    But go ahead and keep blaming Microsoft's business practices... why stop now? It is easier than trying to actually compete for users.

  17. Re:Apple is a worse Monopoly in my opinion. by Mad_Rain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps what you need to do is to review the definition of a monopoly.

    Your opinion about Apple controling both the hardware and the software of their computers may be valid (I'm not going to argue or agree with you). But calling them a monopoly shows a lack of understanding of the term. They (Apple) haven't prevented you from choosing a competing product through illegal methods or coercion.

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  18. Re:10 easy facts (the Unseen hand - look it up) by be-fan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your #4 is incorrect, and has been for about 50 years now. The "unseen hand" is a useful analogy, but its not entirely consistent with modern economic theory. Read up on anything written in the last 50 years regarding monopolies, and you'll learn that they can exist naturally, and indeed the government, by virtue of its coercive ability, is often the only way to break them. The remainder of your post, derived from this flawed premise, should thus be disregarded.

    Oh, and FYI, professors are leftist because they actually study the world. I find it incredible that most people wouldn't ride in an airplane built by a layman, but are perfectly willing to listen to economic theory espoused by people unqualified to do so.

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