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Inkscape 0.42: The Ultimate Answer

bulia byak writes "After several months of frantic work by the evergrowing developer community, the aptly numbered Inkscape 0.42 is out. The amount of new features in this version is astounding. Quoting from the (gigantic!) Release Notes, "while some of the new features simply fill long-standing functionality gaps, others are truly revolutionary". Check out the screenshots and grab your package for Linux, Windows, or OSX." The screenshots are pretty mind-blowing; this isn't a 1.0 release, but I think you'll agree it's worth checking out.

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  1. Hmm... by Zzyzygy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it just me, or did they morph a woman holding a ferret into a classic "wardrobe malfunction" by using some cool filters?

    Geez, I need to get a life.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by bbyakk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please submit your crash report:

      http://inkscape.org/report_bugs.php

      with as much details as possible, ideally with a backtrace.

      > keyset that Adobe and Macromedia apps use?

      Because there are many other nice apps that we borrow from. One is Xara X. Another is (yeah) Gimp and other Gnome apps. We can't be a monkey of a single app, and sometimes we can't be a monkey of anyone because we do some original stuff too.

      > holding space should enable the panning tool

      We don't have a panning tool because we have lots of other ways to scroll. The best of them are middle-drag and ctrl+arrows. Try them, you may like them better when you get used to them.

      > holding alt (not shift) should make the zoom tool zoom out rather than in.

      That one makese sense - alt+click is currently unused in zoom tool, so i think I'll enable it to zoom out _in addition_ to shift+click.

      > Also, double-clicking on the zoom tool should revert to "standard" zoom--not open the preferences panel.

      Just press '1' to get 100% zoom. And it would be horribly inconsistent to make doubleclick work different on zoom tool than on other tools.

      To summarize, we welcome any feedback, and very often we honor it, but also quite often people just want us to imitate exactly their favorite app without realizing that (1) there are other vector apps which are just as worthy of imitation, (2) Inkscape's way of doing it may be actually better, or (3) we can't do that because that would break consistency of Inkscape behavior in unpleasant ways.

  2. Already using it by Achromus · · Score: 5, Informative

    By some weird coincidence, I downloaded this two hours ago. It hasn't crashed on my yet during this time, so I can say that it is sure seems more stable than the 0.41 release.

  3. Re:Replacing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    None of the above. It's vector graphics - Illustrator, FreeHand. It's about as good for vector graphics as Gimpy is for raster, although I much prefer Inkscape's interface over The Gimp's.

  4. Re:Replacing? by SpikyTux · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Inkscape is an open source drawing tool with capabilities similar to Illustrator, Freehand, and CorelDraw that uses the W3C standard scalable vector graphics format (SVG)."

  5. Don't you hate it by TCM · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't you hate it when some application gets into "news" and you are supposed to already know what it does?

    Just including this blurb from the homepage would have been enough:

    Inkscape is an open source drawing tool with capabilities similar to Illustrator, Freehand, and CorelDraw that uses the W3C standard scalable vector graphics format (SVG).

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    1. Re:Don't you hate it by Zobeid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All it would have taken was three more words.

      "vector drawing program"

      If the poster could have fit those three words into the article, it would have saved me a fair bit of bother. And yes, this sort of thing does happen all the time on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Don't you hate it by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      Truthfully, not at all. First, because it is usually obvious from context -- or from the name of the application -- what that application does.

      Yeah. Any fool can see that Inkscape is a program that automatically inks scanned comic book scetches. Just as obvious that Firefox is a firefighting program that calculates how the fire will spread and devises countermeasures with the cunning of the fox. Or Thunderbird, which is either a bird migration monitor, an emergency rescure crew communication tool or a weather prediction program.

      But while this is painfully obvious to me, not all reading Slashdot are blessed with my intelligence, so it might still be a good idea to tell what the program does in the summary.

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  6. Re:Grab your package.... by Coneasfast · · Score: 4, Funny

    For Linux, Windows or OS X.

    Uh.... I prefer Linux just like most of us, but I like my GF better.


    With a witty sense of humour like that, i'm suprised you even have a GF ;)

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  7. Re:Replacing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bash has a better interface than The Gimp.

  8. Keep in mind by JonN · · Score: 5, Informative
    That in the FAQ it says:

    Q: Is Inkscape ready for regular users to use?

    Yes, while it's far from being a replacement for commercialware, the codebase provides for a large portion of basic vector editing capabilities.

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    1. Re:Keep in mind by bbyakk · · Score: 5, Informative

      This FAQ is somewhat obsolete. It's not a replacement for commercialware in ALL situations, that's true. But it's not as far from it as it used to be just a few releases back.

  9. Whoa! Now wait a mo' by whovian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Check out the screenshots and grab your package for Linux, Windows, or OSX."

    I just don't go around grabbing other guy's packages. Let us leave that to your *.so and S.O.

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    1. Re:Whoa! Now wait a mo' by Tim+Browse · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's just an excuse.

  10. Re:Why is the version number apt? by Quarters · · Score: 5, Funny

    Right, ok. I understand that reference. But 0.42 != 42. Either the developers are missing 41.58 of something or they're saying that the program is 1/100th of what it should be.

  11. I'm with you. by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm with you. The /. introduction seems to have been written by an ex-politician's speachwriter. It used lots of colorful words but, in the end, I still had no clue what the program did or who it was for. Sounds exciting though. Heck, I'll vote for 'em!!!

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  12. OS X version not Aquafied. by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Informative

    For anyone who is thinking of grabbing the OS X version, please note that like OpenOffice, InkScape is using X11 to render its display.

    I'm a bit disappointed, as this does make it somewhat less nice to use on OS X, however it isn't v1.0 yet, so I'll remain hopefully optimistic.

    Yaz.

    1. Re:OS X version not Aquafied. by michaeldot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, if Apple didn't make it damn-near impossible for C and C++ apps to use Aqua, then maybe more cross-platform apps would use it.

      This is a nonsensical statement. Photoshop, and most other cross-platform apps are written in C/C++, use Aqua (of course), and have no code at all in Objective-C.

      Mac OS X has two main APIs: Carbon (C/C++) and Cocoa (Objective-C). Both have full access to the GUI.

  13. Oh sweet mistress by azdruid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an avid user of Inkscape, I have followed the Inkscape development process closely throughout all the betas released leading up to this version. This is probably the OSS application I use the most, aside from Linux and Firefox of course. Inkscape's original base code was from the Sodipodi vector editor, which had an interface resembling that of the GIMP. The primary goal of the Inkscape project was to take that codebase and write a GTK interface conforming to the GNOME standards, as well as adding many new features. Even though the early releases were notoriously unstable, the feel of 0.42 is significantly improved over past builds. Even if you are remotely interested in drawing or vector graphics, I recommend you take a look at Inkscape. It still doesn't have any of the fancy features in Fireworks, which I do hope will someday be added, but right now its probably the best FOSS vector editor. And it uses SVG too, a nice opensource XML standard. Downloads are available for Linux and Windows.

  14. Re:Why not sodipodi by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 4, Informative
    Guess I should have RTFWebsite...


    Q: Why the split from Sodipodi?

    Mainly just differences in objectives and in development approach. Inkscape's objective is to be a fully compliant SVG editor, whereas for Sodipodi SVG is more a means-to-an-end of being a powerful vector illustration tool. Inkscape's development approach emphasizes open developer access to the codebase, as well as to use and contribute back to 3rd party libraries and standards such as HIG, CSS, etc. in preference to custom solutions.

    For background, it may also be worth reviewing Lauris' Sodipodi direction post from Oct 2003, and his thoughts on SVG, licensing, and the value of splitting the project into two independent branches.


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  15. Re:Replacing? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Does anyone use this program? How does it perform compared to these other programs that do similar thiings?
    Well, I showed it to my girlfriend (who is an art student) and she likes it a lot. She certainly likes it much better than the Gimp, since the interface is so much better. I'm not sure if she thinks it's better than Illustrator, but it's probably at least close.
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  16. Re:I was wondering what SVG was by steelfood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't help but note a strange karma whoring smell. I don't mean to encourage these types of posts (which, while related, only provide superficial information an a subject that almost everyone knows about), I do wish to point out one thing with which I cannot come to terms.

    Vector graphics is not an alternative to raster graphics. Raster graphics and vector graphics have two mutually exclusive applications, even though both offer visual sensory input as an end result.

    Using only the Adobe product names for the two different digital graphic forms, it is not difficult to recognize this. Photoshop's specialty is manipulating raster images, and the main application would be photos. For example, PS is great for doing things like white balancing and color filtering, i.e. post processing of captured images. Illustrator, on the other hand, is great for creating scaleable and animated visual medium (cartoon-like illustrations like clipart, or flash movies).

    The tradeoff is realism. BTW, one subset of vector graphics is in fact 3D modeling, and this relation becomes especially apparent with NURBS. 3D models aren't very realistic plainly rendered, even with simple materials. They require textures, which are bitmaps (rasters), to create the illusion of continuity.

    Finally, on a tangent, it should be noted that vector graphics are mathematically intensive to render, whereas raster graphics tend to be memory intensive to render.

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  17. Re:#1 thing Inkscake is missing by bbyakk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Come On. If you get a crash, REPORT IT! Right here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=604306&group_ id=93438&func=browse And please note that we never have more than a few confirmed reproducible crash bugs in the tracker. (Currently just 2 I believe, and not fully reproducible at that.) We simply don't tolerate them. We, you know, fix them. Quickly and mercilessly. (Other types of bugs get fixed too, so don't worry).

  18. Re:Replacing? by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two kinds of graphics - raster and vector. Raster is what you see when you use photoshop/gimp/paint, where you see a 2-dimensional grid of pixels, and each pixel is shaded a certain color. In vector graphics, everything on the page is a shape with certain properties (size, rotation, transparenecy, 'etc), and those vectors are overlayed on top of each other. As someone who creates a lot of diagrams (I'm doing a PhD in engineering and I contribute to Wikipedia a lot), I can tell you that doing it is a lot quicker using vector graphics programs than raster graphics programs.

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  19. Re:Replacing? by strider44 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're used to photoshop's interface then just look up GimpShop which is just a clone of photoshop's interface using Gimp. I happen to be used to Gimp's interface more now so I'll stick to how it is right now.

  20. Re:I was wondering what SVG was by cduffy · · Score: 4, Informative

    If all the linux distros get rid of GIMP in the next release in favor of Inkscape, this thing is gonna be a hit

    To give a more concrete example of what the other folks are saying:

    If you're designing graphics for a print brocure or (as in my case recently) wedding invitation, and you're not trying to do photographs, a vector graphics program is just the thing: You can edit your work easily, and the final result can be rendered at whatever resolution it's going to be printed at. Many effects which are a PITA if possible at all via raster software (such as shaped text) are standard features in good vector editors.

    If you're retouching a photo, you need a raster editor. Period. So really, you can't replace one with the other. They both have their place, and both are necessary.

  21. If even I can use it effectively... by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's sad to me that people do not seem to know what Inkscape is yet. It's a wonderful tool. Others have already made the Inkscape:Illustrator :: Gimp:Photoshop analogy. I would point out, though, that despite my preference of Photoshop over Gimp, Inkscape is far, far easier to use than Illustrator and yet still covers all of the basic vector graphics bases.

    Even with my very minimal skill, I've managed to create some decent graphics. Here are a couple of traces, a decent Domo-kun, some calligraphy, and all of the non-photo graphics on this page (hypercube projections) I did in Inkscape. I love it, and it's only on version 0.42!

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    1. Re:If even I can use it effectively... by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 4, Funny
      It turns out slashdotting myself was not a good idea. Way to go, self.

      If you're trying to load the images, just open a few of 'em in tabs in the background; you'll get through eventually. Sorry about that! :(

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  22. Re:SVG rasterisation by bbyakk · · Score: 5, Informative

    > I see now that postscript and .eps support has been enhanced, hopefully the transparency/gradient stuff won't bork the output too much now.

    Gradients in PS/EPS export work now (with some limitations, see Release Notes). But transparency does not work simply because PS has no such thing, and "emulating" it is an enormous hassle.

    > all the output is always antialiased... any ideas?

    That's one of the problems with our renderer currently. It only has the AA mode. Hopefully this will be fixed when Inkscape is ported to use Cairo.

  23. Re:Replacing? by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, you see, Inkscape 0.42 is the ultimate answer, your problem is that you have not yet worked out what the question is. Once you know what the question is then I'm sure everythign will be apparent.

    Hopefully the Inkscape team are working on finding the ultimate question as we speak.

    Jedidiah.

  24. much more detailed analysis by mshurpik · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple was colossally dissapointed today to learn that Perl, 4th Ed. is a fun and informative way to introduce open source. A new IBook and Apple mini are expected to get a handle on Vista while also hitting the shuttle during launch. With the USA getting ready to pass its science crown to China, the Mandriva Linux 2006 Beta has gotten underway, leaving Microsoft and Google fighting for the skies. With the annual cost of the Microsoft monopoly predicted to top $10b this year, thousands and thousands of hours of PVR TV are being used to make new google homepage features the state of solid state storage. Where is the British EFF? Just around the corner, according to UEFI, formed to replace the BIOS after Microsoft began checking for piracy. With China releasing its 2nd generation MIPS chip just days after Sony agreed to stop payola, Voltron, Nerdcore, and the shuttle Discovery all will be coming to a theater near you.

    1. Re:much more detailed analysis by jacksonj04 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can you do this daily?

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  25. Re:A mink, not a ferret by obispo · · Score: 5, Informative

    the animal is an ermine, the painting is the "ritratto di dama con ermellino" ("portrait of a lady with an ermine") by Leonardo da Vinci. it's part of the princess Czartoryska collection in Kraków.

  26. Re:CAD by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People, keep engineering stuff away from Inkscape! We need a decent vector gfx ARTISTIC program! XFig is for tech vector drawings, add this kind of stuff there!

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  27. Re:side-to-side scrolling by Bryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But seriously, when 85%+ of your audience uses a particular browser, doesn't it make sense to design pages with it in mind?

    Not really. First off, I think people are going to judge Inkscape's value not by its website but by how good the application itself is.

    Second, our "audience" is not just any random user, but rather those good users that are likely to also contribute to Inkscape in some way - testing, bug reports, PR, patches -- or even just helping us improve the website. People who are unable or unwilling to install a proper Open Source web browser are probably also not the type of good people that would be contributing Inkscape. Thus, IE users are probably not our target audience anyway.

    Third, building a huge userbase is not really among Inkscape's principle goals. We want to be a great application that helps make Open Source successful, and we want to promote Open Standards and do what we can to help other Open Source projects. Thus, while we'd like to look good in all browsers, it's most important that we look good in the Open Source browsers, even if (especially if!) they represent only 15% of the marketshare.

  28. Re:Replacing? by koreth · · Score: 4, Informative
    Most people have no reason to spend time learning about the available choices of vector-based illustration software. Slashdot's crowd is diverse enough that short of stuff like Firefox or Linux, it's not a good idea to assume that most people here have clue one about any particular piece of software.

    BTW, I don't mean that in a condescending way; it's just a consequence of specialization and it's human nature to assume everyone has some passing interest in the stuff that fascinates or occupies us. I'm sure the proteomics folks here could rattle off half a dozen names of very cool molecular modeling apps, but as someone who spends his days writing Java web applications, not one of those names would ring any kind of bell for me. In return I expect most of the proteomics crowd has never heard of Tapestry or Wicket or the JSP Standard Template Library.

    Now if only we could get the editors to realize they ought to include descriptions of the stuff they're posting about. It would not have been so much burden, I think, to add the words "vector illustration tool" right before the name of the program, especially since the editor edited the story anyway to add a comment to the end.

  29. Re:CAD by Bryce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something I have wondered about as well. Can Inkscape (maybe in the future) include support for say printed circuit board (PCB) design or more importantly, electronics schematics or digital logic diagrams (with the gates etc)

    We do intend to improve some of the technical drawing capabilities, such as line auto-routing, over the next couple releases.

    Beyond that, well... we're quite open to patches. (I personally would love to see more technical/engineering drawing enhancements added to Inkscape.)

  30. Re:Looks cool, too bad it's completely useless to by Bryce · · Score: 4, Informative

    since it assumes I want the interface to be in incomplete/poorly translated Japanese language, and doesn't seem to give me any way to change it to English.

    Sounds like you want this page. First scroll down to the bottom and read "Locale Testing" to see how to set the language. Then scroll up and learn the process of making improvements to an Open Source application's translations. Remember that translations only improve when someone (such as yourself) contributes a few hours to help improve them. ;-)

  31. Note: OpenOffice vs. NeoOffice/J on the Mac by Nice2Cats · · Score: 4, Informative
    For anyone who is thinking of grabbing the OS X version, please note that like OpenOffice, InkScape is using X11 to render its display.

    Just so there are no misunderstandings here: Though there is an OpenOffice version for the Mac that is in fact only accessable via X11, everybody uses NeoOffice/J instead because it is aquafied to the point where it runs normally. Oh, and it is GPL.

    And now back to your scheduled program.

  32. Re:Kind of shortsighted on their part by bbyakk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > In any case, that's really Bad News for the future of the app.

    I've seen this very attitude ever since the start of Inkscape. It's not too frequent, but it does happen with surprising regularity. "You dare to ignore my beloved Illustrator/Freehand/whatever, you're DOOMED." I try to give them our reasons and show them _our_ way of doing it, but they just won't listen.

    I think by now, Inkscape's explosive growth and the tons of comments from people who LOVE its interface are the best response to such doomsayers.

    You simply _don't get it_. (Luckily you are in a minority, but the fact that you don't get it still saddens me.) We're not in the business of creating an Illustrator clone. We started this project because we want to make the best vector editor in the world. If you want to help us, you're welcome. If you just want to rant or whine without (I'm sure) reading our keyboard chart even once - then I'm simply not interested, sorry.

  33. Re:A mink, not a ferret by aebrett · · Score: 4, Funny

    All I can say for certain is that it isn't a weasel, because a weasel is weasely wecognised, whereas a stoat is stoatally different ;)

  34. Inkscape rocks by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used it to de-uglify a bmp logo for a client. It looked like it had been run through Microsoft Paint with lots of jagged lines and such. Find a program called autotrace on sourceforge that converted the bitmap to svg. Edited the xml file to remove the objects that I didn't want (based on colour). Then loaded it into inkscape and cleaned it up and recolored it. Client was impressed. His graphics person had been unable to do it without recreating the whole thing. It only took me 1 hour.