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This Year's Ottawa Linux Symposium Covered

cdlu writes "This year's Ottawa Linux Symposium was well-attended and hosted numerous very interesting discussions. There's extensive coverage at NewsForge: (comprehensive day 1, day 2, day 3, and day 4, Linux Weekly News (subscription): A challenge for developers, Linux and trusted computing, and Xen and UML, and O'Reilly network: First day and Wrap up."

51 comments

  1. Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yes, but where is it located at and have the evil microsoft owned government bugged it yet?

    1. Re:Location? by evil-osm · · Score: 1

      Yes, but where is it located at

      Ottawa, Ontario Canada

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    2. Re:Location? by someonewhois · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about you man, but the "Ottawa Linux" part kind of gave away the fact that it's in Ottawa...

    3. Re:Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ottawa, Ontario Canada

      Is that in Alaska?

    4. Re:Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moot is being held .... IN OTTAWA!

  2. The sequel already? by gestures · · Score: 1, Funny

    Didn't March of the Penguins (or La Marche de l'empereur in Canada) just come out? OH

  3. Enough with the irrelevant details by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was it successful? Thats all we need to know.

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  4. Ottawa Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that's one distro I need to install. ;)

  5. boring by akhomerun · · Score: 0

    i would consider myself a geek, but the coverage of this event has to be the most boring thing i've ever read in my life.

  6. LUG Radio Live was also held recently... by tyroneking · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... in sunny Wolverhampton, the fleshpot of the UK.
    See http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/ for all the exciting news, blogs and photos.
    bah!

  7. why didn't I know about it? by SamSeaborn · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm a programmer at a large size hi-tech company in Ottawa and I didn't know about the Linux symposium. I would have gone.

    I'm not a hardcore linux geek, but I watch the news, read the paper, and I'm on slashdot every day. You guys are going to *have* to do a better job advertising this!

    Sam

    1. Re:why didn't I know about it? by alanw · · Score: 2, Informative
      I didn't know about the Linux symposium. I would have gone.
      The kernel summit is by invitation only, as explained in this LWN summary which becomes freely available tomorrow (28th).
    2. Re:why didn't I know about it? by Chirs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was already sold out with no advertising, so why should they advertise?

      Make sure you get in early for next year--it's way cheaper that way.

    3. Re:why didn't I know about it? by Chirs · · Score: 1

      The summit is invitation only. The symposium is open to anyone.

    4. Re:why didn't I know about it? by Eberlin · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well good day, eh. We were both gonna like show up at your office and personally ask you to come to the Linux meeting thing. The problem was that on the way to your office, we had to stop by for a beer or twenty and we forgot all about why we were there to begin with.

      Bob even had a Penguin toque on that he borrowed from that cowboyneal guy. You would have shown up just based on that.

      So anyway, thanks, eh. We're probably gonna get canned from our marketing job 'cause you just had to be all pissy about it. Piss off, hoser.

          -- Bob and Doug

    5. Re:why didn't I know about it? by omnirealm · · Score: 3, Informative

      I didn't know about the Linux symposium. I would have gone.

      The kernel summit is by invitation only

      The Kernel Summit is a separate event that occurs the week before the Ottawa Linux Symposium. The Kernel Summit is invitation-only. In contrast, anyone who buys a ticket can attend OLS. Most of the developers (except, notably, Linus) who attend the Kernel Summit also attend OLS. Typically the opening speech at OLS is a summary of what decisions were made at the summit. The summit is where the real near-term hard decisions are hashed out; OLS tends to focus on emerging technologies and has less of an influence over the near-term direction of the core kernel development.

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    6. Re:why didn't I know about it? by inertialmatrix · · Score: 1, Informative

      For those of you interested in attending the next one, or who would just like to get news pertaining to the event please consider joining the mailing list.

      You can sign up here:
      http://lists.linuxsymposium.org/mailman/listinfo/o ls-announce/

    7. Re:why didn't I know about it? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      You must not have been paying attention. Slashdot reported it ages ago.

    8. Re:why didn't I know about it? by MasterD · · Score: 1
      I'm a programmer at a large size hi-tech company in Ottawa

      and you didn't notice the plethora of drunk geeks at all the local bars?

    9. Re:why didn't I know about it? by bfields · · Score: 1
      I'm not a hardcore linux geek, but I watch the news, read the paper, and I'm on slashdot every day. You guys are going to *have* to do a better job advertising this!

      They've always expressed more of an interest in getting the right people together than in being as large as possible.

      So if you're not a "hardcore linux geek", maybe it's not really the event for you. It's mainly a chance for linux developers to get together and discuss their work.

    10. Re:why didn't I know about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just plain not in the know. When I lived in Ottawa I went to the OLS annually: with BSDCan it's like the ONLY real high tech conference in Ottawa.

      Pick it up and get in the know, eh? It's not that hard (plus, how often do you get to see Allan Cox or Linux walking around the Rideau Centre? Oh, what's that, you don't go downtown? Well, get out there and check out the daylight once in a while. Life exists outside of Kanata you know.....

    11. Re:why didn't I know about it? by slashflood · · Score: 1


      I'm not a hardcore linux geek, but I watch the news, read the paper, and I'm on slashdot every day. You guys are going to *have* to do a better job advertising this!

      Yes, It's always the same, but I'd say that it's the fault of the media. The Ottawa Linux Symposiom is pretty well know all over the world, but the mainstream media is not interested in it. If you have an idea to promote the event we'd be glad to get your suggestion.

    12. Re:why didn't I know about it? by DoctorBulwer · · Score: 1

      If only it had been posted a few more times...

  8. Nice XP presentation though by bosewicht · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought the XP fiasco was kinda funny

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    1. Re:Nice XP presentation though by daddymac · · Score: 1

      Yikes. Reminds me of a MacWorld Expo years ago (January 1998) when Adobe was showing off it's latest and greatest version of photoshop, on a windows box that crashed 4 times during the presentation.

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    2. Re:Nice XP presentation though by NamShubCMX · · Score: 1
      What this article doesnt tell, though (but the newsforge reports do) is that the presenter spent most of the presentation telling the audience how Intel was using Linux everywhere...

      Everywhere but their presentation, it seems

      Note: I wasnt there so I really dont know...

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    3. Re:Nice XP presentation though by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the root-fu scoreboard at defcon. For some reason it runs windows, and every year someone manages (in one way or another) to make it go bsod, to much cheering and laughter. Ghetto Hackers arent running things this year though, so that tradition may get passed up :-(

  9. Proceedings by omnirealm · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  10. NewsForge and Slashdot are both part of... by Phantom042 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What, no notice that there are incestual links in the post?

  11. Subscription required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Subscription required" to every link? Why even bother hyperlinking them?

  12. For those who don't know by Rac3r5 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    For those Yanks who don't know where Ottawa is.. it's in Canada and is the capital of Canuck Land.

  13. Spammer: by temojen · · Score: 1

    1) noun. see gestures

  14. stop spamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check this guys account - three posts at the time of writing, each of which has nothing more than a link to his 'overheard in the UK site'. slashdot sucks enough already, no need to spamvertizements in the comments section.

  15. Obvious reference by sicking · · Score: 1

    Wow, I love symposia.

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  16. openoffice cracks by prattle · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Already, two speakers have made wisecracks about OpenOffice.org, tagging it as a bloated memory hog.

    I have happier memories of OLS and openoffice: it was at OLS in 2000 that Miguel de Icaza announced, during his keynote, that StarOffice would be opensourced and available at openoffice.org. This got a tremendous round of applause, so Andy Oram need not despair that OLS attendants don't grasp the importance of office suites.

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    1. Re:openoffice cracks by oxfletch · · Score: 1

      As one of the presenters referred to ... I object.

      I do understand the importance of office suites ... but I also understand the value not weighing 400lb, and eating a whole cake at every sitting.

      Open office takes about 30s to start on my 256Mb Pentium 3 laptop. Sorry, but that's fucking ridiculous.

    2. Re:openoffice cracks by prattle · · Score: 1
      As one of the presenters referred to ... I object.

      I wasn't trying to say that wisecracks about openoffice being big and slow are invalid. On the contrary, whenever I pitch openoffice to msoffice users, I brace myself for their inevitable "that's way too slow" feedback. The start up speed is definitely an embarassment. I was reacting to the tone of Andy Oram's comment:

      "Already, two speakers have made wisecracks about OpenOffice.org, tagging it as a bloated memory hog. I have the suspicion that some attendees see Linux as something to run for its own intrinsic value, rather than as a platform for useful applications that can actually help people accomplish something."

      I take that to mean that he thinks such wisecracks are invalid and if one wants to run "useful applications" then one ought to be accepting of slow performance. I was trying to make the point that the OLS attendees realize how important an app like openoffice is.

      In short, I think you should be objecting to him, not me. :-)

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  17. LWN Articles by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative

    OLS: Xen and UML
    [LWN subscriber-only content]

    Friday was virtualization day at the 2005 Ottawa Linux Symposium; the large room was devoted to that topic all day long. Your editor can only handle so much virtualization at once, and so failed to attend the full set of sessions. Two talks, however, gave a good overview of where a couple of the most important Linux virtualization projects are and what they see in the future.

    Xen

    A full house turned out to hear Xen hacker Ian Pratt discuss his project. Xen is riding high; the software is cool and getting cooler, the venture money is flowing in, and there is no lack of buzz. Ian's talk, while mostly technical in nature, showed the signs of an up-and-coming business: slick, animated slides, and a good marketing pitch ("virtualization in the enterprise") on why virtualization is a useful thing in the first place. This was worth seeing; it is easy to understand why something like Xen is cool technology, but it can be harder to get a handle on why investors are lining up to throw money at it.

    Virtualization is not a particularly new idea. Your editor first experienced it on an IBM mainframe over twenty years ago; we shared files by sending them out our virtual card punch into a co-worker's virtual card reader. Given that the alternative, in that particular time and place, was a real card reader, this looked pretty good. Every now and then things would go weird, and we would have to reboot CMS on our virtual CPU. Not only have things changed little since then, but that was all old stuff even on those days.

    In the Linux world, virtualization takes one of three forms. In the "single operating system image mode," as used by the Linux-vserver project (or a simple chroot() setup, for that matter), instances are run within resource containers. Getting strong isolation is hard with this approach. Full virtualization runs an unmodified operating system in a complete virtual machine; systems like VMWare and Qemu work this way. The problem with full virtualization is that it can be hard to do in a way which is both secure and efficient, especially on current x86 hardware. Finally, there is para-virtualization, where the guest operating system kernel is explicitly ported to a virtual machine architecture; both Xen and user-mode Linux are para-virtualized systems.

    So why bother with all of this? One is server consolidation: move all of those servers onto fewer actual boxes, with the resulting savings in floor space, power, air conditioning, and hardware maintenance. If you can move virtual machines between physical hosts, you can shift them around to avoid down time; when the disk drive starts to squeal, the administrator can evacuate the virtual systems to working hardware and deal with the problem. Migration also allows workload balancing; it is easier to put more virtual systems on each physical host if they can be shifted around to keep the load on all of those hosts about the same.

    One other use for virtualization is security: putting a process within a virtual machine encapsulates it nicely. Even if that process is compromised, there are limits to the damage it can do - as long as it remains trapped within its virtual host. It is also possible to monitor the behavior of the virtual hosts themselves; if one starts doing unusual things, there is a good chance it has been compromised. In this sense, virtualization achieves the same broad goal as SELinux: it puts walls between applications running on the same host. The virtualization approach has the advantage of relative simplicity for situations where all users of a host are to be completely isolated from each other.

    Xen, currently, is at version 2.0.6. It provides secure isolation, resource control, quality of service guarantees, live migration of virtual machines, and an execution speed which is "close to native" on the x86 architecture. As a para-virtualization system, Xen requires that the guest kernel be ported to its virtual architecture; ports exist for NetBSD, FreeBSD, Pla

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    1. Re:LWN Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? How does cutting and pasting an article from another website contribute to the discussion? Wouldn't a link have done? Furthermore, this article isn't available to non-subscribers yet, you may not really have the right to post it.

    2. Re:LWN Articles by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep.

      Of course, such things are freely overlooked here when the publication in question isn't in favour. I don't like it personally, but evidently many are just fine with it.

      Too bad I don't have any mod points right now.

    3. Re:LWN Articles by slashflood · · Score: 1


      Xen

      Your post is very insightful, but nobody is willing to read it - it's way to long.

      There is one major disantvantage of Xen: you can't address more than 4 Gig of RAM for the host machine. That is the reason why everyone's (major businesses) going to implement VMware, which is by far not that effective/performant than Xen.

      You're obviously talking about the benefits of virtualization, but if you have to implement it in critical environments, you have to realize that there is nothing else than VMware at the moment. Why? Because of the memory limitation of Xen and the lacking CPU/Memory schedulng of Xen.

    4. Re:LWN Articles by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      yea, people I know are sticking with UML until they get PAE added.

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  18. I would have gone but it was a bit pricy. by isolationism · · Score: 1

    For the price of it I may as well have bought a copy of Windows XP (and I'm in Ottawa, so it's not like I'd be paying for transportation or accomodation). Hope it was a success anyway...

  19. Thats nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am completely unmotivated to RTFA or give a shit.

  20. Too few seats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps mommy's basement isn't such a great place to hold a symposium. Live and learn... live and learn.

  21. Linux is used in the development of Intel procs by ece · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Linux is used for 100 percent of the work involved in the development of new processors at Intel, Fisher stated." (http://www.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=05/07/21/07 30239)

    The Macintels are developed on Linux ;-)

  22. NOW you tell me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For pity's sake why don't you people post information about the event BEFORE it happens? I'm always missing these Linux events.

  23. Didn't know about it by linuxguy27 · · Score: 1

    I had no idea that there was going to be a conference about Linux. As others have said the word needs to get out there a little better so more people could attend these events.

    Anyone know of othe Linux conferences that will be happening in Canada over the next few months? Would love to know about them.

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  24. my OLS writeups by MissionControl · · Score: 1

    I've posted my journal from this year's Ottawa Linux Symposium. It's less professional than the articles linked to by the posts, but it may offer some insight on the presentations not covered by those articles. Also note: I am not (yet) a kernel hacker.

    Here's a table of contents for my posts:
    Day One: 2.6 kernel roadmap, Novell Linux Kernel Debugger, Hot Keys, Video Control, Suspend/Resume, Oh My! -- Recent Advances and Current Challenges in Linux/ACPI, TWIN: An Even Smaller Window System for Even Smaller Devices, Automated BoardFarm: Only Better with Bacon, welcome reception
    Day Two: Write a Real, Working Linux Driver tutorial, Building Murphy-Compatible Embedded Linux Systems, Networking Driver Performance and Measurement - e1000 A Case Study, Enhancements to Linux I/O Scheduling
    Day Three: usbmon, SeqHoundRWeb.py: a Python-based interface to a comprehensive online bioinformatics resource, Case Study: Usage of Virtualized GNU/Linux to Support Binary Testing Across Multiple Distributions, Testing the Xen Hypervisor and Linux Virtual Machine, Debian Women: Encouraging Women without Segregation, H'Uru - Coding Beyond MYST
    Day Four: NPTL Stabilization Project, We are not getting any younger: A new approach to timekeeping and timers, the sysfs filesystem, keynote address