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The Future of the Net

Fuzzball963 writes "Kevin Kelly has an interesting article over at Wired on the development and future of the web. In it, he argues that in ten years the desktop OS will become obsolete in favor of a Web based one, and that content on the web will be automatically customized according to the device being used to access it (PDA, smartphone,etc)." From the article: "Today the nascent Machine routes packets around disturbances in its lines; by 2015 it will anticipate disturbances and avoid them. It will have a robust immune system, weeding spam from its trunk lines, eliminating viruses and denial-of-service attacks the moment they are launched, and dissuading malefactors from injuring it again. The patterns of the Machine's internal workings will be so complex they won't be repeatable; you won't always get the same answer to a given question. It will take intuition to maximize what the global network has to offer. The most obvious development birthed by this platform will be the absorption of routine. The Machine will take on anything we do more than twice. It will be the Anticipation Machine."

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  1. Didn't they say this ten years ago? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't they say this ten years ago? Seems that every now and then somthing comes along that pulls the idiots from the woodwork. HTML, Netscape, Java, Active-X, .net etc have all been claimed as the end of desktop applications.

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    1. Re:Didn't they say this ten years ago? by toddbu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or the marketing guys. Seriously, isn't this how Microsoft works? Paint a rosy picture of the future and then tell everybody to hang onto their cash and avoid buying competing products until you can get one from "someone you trust" who obviously has enough foresight to predict the future years in advance. I had to laugh when I saw the recent pictures of Microsoft execs pumping up a room full of people while showing off Vista. You'd think that they'd just cured cancer. Now just wait until sometime late in 2006 and you too can live in a better world.

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    2. Re:Didn't they say this ten years ago? by 3dr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes they did. And it was bullshit then, too.

      Why on earth would anybody want to go back to centralized computing? It simply won't happen; desktop machines are far too powerful to drop, let alone the frail networking one must depend on with this scheme. On that note, I think in 2015 there will still be backhoe operators that drive the shovel right through the subterranean neural connection filaments, or *whatever* some Wired author decides to call the cables.

      Further, who will give up total control of their apps? What if you want to work where there is no net access? For data processing apps, why limit the app's speed to the net bandwidth? What if I need an app to do X /and/ Y with my already-entered data, not just X?

      I do think, however, that centralized storage to augment, not replace, your primary storage will become popular and quite useful. With the cheap webhosting available, it's doable now, if a bit clumsy with HTTP/FTP.

      This article is a good example of why my Wired subscription is lapsing. Few articles are what I would call "good", and most are pulled straight from the author's buttockal ether. Wired: put that in your blog and e-publish it.

      And I hope I don't get a letter from their collection agency goons.

  2. Re:Riiiiiiight by hawkeye_82 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All predictions of the future have been wrong. Why will this one be any different?

    So you're saying that your prediction for this prediction is that this prediction will be wrong? But you say that all predictions have been wrong.
    So your prediction that this prediction will be wrong is wrong.....

    *head explodes*

  3. Viva la revolution! by Kickassthegreat · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Machine will take on anything we do more than twice.

    So you mean I can get rid of such tedious tasks as eating, sleeping, breathing, bathing, etc., etc., et al?

    Viva la revolution!

    Seriously though, I'm really tired of seeing people come out with predictions about how the Internet will evolve into something which will cure global ills, solve social problems, etc, etc, ad naseum!

    The Internet is a tool, nothing more. And like all tools, the more powerful it is, the more dangerous it is to the individuals using it.

  4. "Ten Years" by pojo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whenever I hear someone predicts something for ten years in the future, I know they chose that number because

    -it's too long to be demonstrably false and
    -it's just short enough to seem relevant.

    But yeah, this is just nonsense.

  5. Bullshit from Academia by greenmars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Boy, does this sound like the kind of "publish or perish" bullshit you get from academic settings.

  6. That is so old by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In it, he argues that in ten years the desktop OS will become obsolete in favor of a Web based one

    I have heard that procecy over 10 years ago, and seen many (now failed) startups act on it. This is BS, people don't want their software and data to leave their home, even more so since most have only a limited confidence in any corporation that would offer to hold said data for them.

    What's more, they don't want to be hit some-fraction-of-a-dollar per hour of word processor use, even if the deal turns out better than PC+Windows+Office financially. It's just psychological.

    by 2015 it will anticipate disturbances and avoid them. It will have a robust immune system, weeding spam from its trunk lines, eliminating viruses and denial-of-service attacks

    That alone should tell you how much this article is worth...

    Anyway, the future of the net is clear: the corporate world will gets its hands on it more and more, as it has with radio and TV, until gradually nothing on it is truly free (as in speech) anymore. That much is obvious.

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    1. Re:That is so old by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In that same last ten years Gates floated the idea of making Office web based. Until all his business customers said "not a chance". Seem that none of the corporations would trust an outside entity with any kind of access to their data. Why would anyone think that they would trust outside control of their systems? It really does boil down to a control and access issue. It aint gonna happen.

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  7. Re:The Software Reset by mpontes · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That reminds me of an article I read in a magazine 5 years ago. It also talked about the 5 year OS cycle and predicted that everyone would be using Linux in 2005.

    Microsoft killed the software cycle. When computers weren't so widespread and when their purposes were limited, it was easy to "reset" OSes. Right now, we depend too much on our OSes to throw them away and start over. If it wasn't for the backwards-compatibility sake, the x86 architecture would be dead, Win32 would be dead, IPv4 would be dead, etc. It's one thing to lose your spreadsheet and word processing program, but we're not talking about that anymore. Too many things rely on the OSes we are using right now. I doubt we'll see a reset in the future, it will be more like a "soft transition" (9x-NT, anyone?).

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  8. Re:Riiiiiiight by Iriel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it funny that Wired writes these kinds of articles, yet they also wrote one about the amazing innacuracy of futurists.

    Okay, I made my irony statement, but what I think Wired is lacking is a good frame of reference. I think that a lot of their predictions (and even parts of this one) could be possible (keywords: could be) by 2015, but the real question is whether they will be implemented or not. For example, we've all seen how much more efficient standards based web design is, but there are still certain entities (Microsoft) holding it back for one reason or another and this happens on many levels for many reasons.

    Even a lot of the parent posts predictions could happen by 2015, but whether they actually will happen is something else entirely. A lot of large organizations have proven themselves, over time, to be remarkably stagnant despite the obvious benefits otherwise.

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  9. Re:Riiiiiiight by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    C'mon people. At least try to read between the lines. He's not trying to make an exact prediction of what's to come. He talking like a dreamer of what could be. He believes it's possible and phrases it as straight fact to drive the point harder.

    Lighten up. It's not a news article. It's an opinion, a different view of the world.

  10. Re:The Software Reset by Whitemice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Haven't you noticed? The computer industry likes to do this "reset" of software every 5-10 years. We get really far feature and stability wise with one platform and then BAM! Along comes a new environment and then we start the cycle of making new spreadsheets, word processors, etc."

    Nah! This is totally bogus. UNIX is ancient, TCP/IP is nearly as old. They've ruled the realm of 'real computers' and 'real networks' forever; and they are only becoming more prevelant - not less.

    The "reset" is only on cheap consumer-side junk. Today's PC with Windows is yesterdays Commodore 128.

    Every hard-core researcher, student, and hacker I know uses a UNIX derivative (since Mac OS/X now counts).

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  11. Not all of it is absurd. by Paradox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One thing that TFA does mention is the web-ification of everything. I think this is extremely likely. Web apps are the wave of the future for several reasons, some of which are not immediately obvious.

    The most obvious reason is, of course, easy (perhaps "easier" is appropriate) cross-platform deployment. Another is more convenience for the user. Sure, it may be harder to use webmail compared to conventional mail apps, but it follows me where I go.

    From the software publisher side, webapps are inhernetly better than desktop apps. You don't get my code (the code that matters, anyways), you have to agree to my terms, it is inherently subscription based, updates are global and unified, and tech support is easier.

    We have all these elaborate and evil copyright laws to give us what webapps inherently give us. While webapps currently suffer from technical limitiations, these will eventually be solved. It is not unimaginable to see something like Photoshop as a webapp in 5-10 years.

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    1. Re:Not all of it is absurd. by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, I'm going to use a clunky piece of shit web app when I could be using a real binary, because there's this 1% of time that I need email from somewhere other than my own machines ...

      Allow me to propose an alternate theory: I'll use a real binary until the corporations decide that they don't Trust my machine to run them, and use web based applications only when I'm actually away from machines that can support a real application.

      I think that the future for things like email and other applications that are pretty unique per user (as in, I get no use from your email client) is portable applications, like portable thunderbird. USB keys are becoming cheaper, faster, and support more ubiquitous. There's no need to deal with the slowness of a text dissemination system shoehorned to other duties when you really want an application that does something completely different.

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    2. Re:Not all of it is absurd. by Paradox · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I mean, insults to Swing coming from someone advocating Javascript as the language of the future?
      Sun thinks JavaScript is the language of the future, or at least on the right track. Check out Self, Sun's research project into prototype-based languages. Javascript is a powerful language with closures, lambdas, real prototype-based OO, and dynamic dispatch.

      While implementations may not all be up to snuff, Javascript as a spec is pretty sharp.

      Swing isn't nearly as good as native UI elements, but it still blows your web page crap out of the water.
      My "web page crap," eh? I wasn't aware I was solely or even partially responsible for the woes of a low-barrier-to-entry field.

      Your implication that I am a "lam0r who wri73s teh webapps" is noticed, but false. I'm a professional C++, Java, Ruby and Lisp developer. Yes, I do get paid to write systems in Scheme and Lisp.

      Oh, and no. Swing should not be your poster child. It is deeply flawed. I'd actually rather work with MFC over Swing (and that's saying something!). Swing as an API is clunky and difficult to work with. As a GUI from a user's perspective, it is clunky and limiting. It strongly assumes windows-style multiple menu bar windows. It is notoriously bad at helping developers make custom widgets.

      It is usable. It is certainly nothing to be proud of.

      Not all applications reduce so cleanly to a set of documents like you seem to think.
      Since when do webapps map to clean pages? Need I link to Google Maps again to make that point? 5 years ago, I thought something like Google Maps was impossible over the web. But it's here today, and it's surprisingly good for what it is and its limitations. Once you get a few regions into cache, it's actually very snappy.

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  12. Oh yeah... by windowpain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And according to all those Popular Science cover stories from the 1960s we should be commuting to work with jet packs or rocket boots by now.

    I'll believe it when I see it.

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  13. Re:Dumb terminals? by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the computer world, dumb terminals are the "wave of the future" that will never materialize and will also never die. It's not hard to think of advantages to thin-client systems, like centralized support and little to no installation, but there are significant hurdles that must be overcome to make dumb terminals desirable. First, internet connections would need to be wireless, extremely fast, cheap, reliable, secure, and basically taken for granted much like breathable air. We are a long way from this point.

    At the moment, there will always be at least that one application for everyone that requires local processing and storage so a fully functional computer will be needed. Who would want to be without their applications during a network outage, so they'll keep everything local just because they can. Also, network computing, thin clients, dumb terminals, whatever need to become cost effective. Nobody wants to effectively rent a computer for the same price or more than they would pay to buy it. With processing and storage getting better and cheaper all the time, I don't see how centralized computing will ever catch up from a cost perspective.

    In short, network computing has many advantages that are outweighed by many disadvantages and for this reason I don't see it becoming practical or widespread anytime soon, or anytime at all for that matter.

  14. Re:Riiiiiiight by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Insightful
    has been suggesting that the web will be semantic driven

    And 5 years ago it was all going to be 'Push'.

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  15. And the Machine of 2015 will be built by...? by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    DARPA?

    Microsoft?

    Google?

    My point is that the biggest consistent problem with Wired's predictions about the Internet over the last (pause for dramatic effect) is that they ignore the economic realities. Who pays for this wonderful infrastructure? I'm not talking about the apps. He waxes poetic about us all developing those as we use Flickr. I'm talking about the actual physical infrastructure and the protocols that hold it all together.

    If it is government-developed, which government is going to do the developing? The US? Given the current state of American skepticism toward anything non-military that the government builds, I'd say no. China? Perhaps, but they don't want a system that allows that sort of freedom. Nobody else has the muscle to do it, save the EU, and we all can see they have bigger issues to deal with, like whether they'll be around in ten years.

    If it is being developed by a corporation or collection of corporations, how do they make money creating infastructure improvements? After the Great Fiber Bungle of the dot-com era, I don't see any of the telecoms lining up to throw down the big money for something like this, particularly given that they're too engaged in their own marketshare battles to collaborate on anything this vast.

    The Internet is an oddity, in that it was originated through American government spending during the Cold War, popularized because of a British researcher who developed the Web, and accelerated due to massive commercial speculation. I think Kevin Kelly's dream of a future Internet is great, but I think it disregards the fundamentally commercial nature of the existing Internet.

    Given that changes to the fundamental infrastructure of the Net require far more deliberation, cooperation, and investment than changes that occur in the server and client realm, I think we'll still be talking about convergence and a fully-integrated, always-on Internet ten years from now.

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  16. I don't want specialized devices... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The computer is the ultimate general purpose device that can simulate just about anything you can imagine (with the right hardware attached to it).

    I don't want to do all of my work on a phone sized device - be that writing, developing software or surfing the web.

    I do agree that more back-end storage will be remotely accessible via the web (for example, I keep my writings at home on an internal website that I access and create through an http client application (browser for the uninitiated) from any computer connected to my network.

    That being said, there will always be applications that will need to run on the local machine for various purposes:

    1. Video games. I can't imagine loading a video game binary image from across the internet every time I want to play it; load times are long enough when it is on the local box as it is. Also how would fees for this service be structured? I can justify a one-time cost for a client side app, and maybe even small fees for MMOG game access - but a per-use fee would be very bad on my pocketbook.

    2. Plugins and enhancements to http clients. Again, there are certain things that a backend process running on a server will not be able to do as quickly as a front-end application running on the client.

    3. Number crunching and software development. The very nature of the web makes the least common denominator the most common choices available. Moving all development off to the server would mean the loss of customization choices currently available to local developers. Additionally, I don't see companies providing the free CPU cycles to do any significant general purpose number crunching (without charging a hefty fee, of course).

    Finally, a general purpose computer with standards based interfaces (PCI, AGP, USB, Firewire etc) allows much more flexibility for upgrading and extending the functionality of the device almost indefinitely. Specialized devices are too limited - while useful in their problem domain - these devices will not serve as the only means of delivering applications to users - particularly when we talk about the complexity of some of the key computer science problems before us.

    Lets assume that the prediction is correct. I can see a time when only a few die-hards would have the computing power that is generally available today. That means your average person would be losing out on opportunities to define their own 'digital destiny' - essentially falling back into that 'producer/consumer' pattern (where producers are exclusively corporations, and consumers are the rest of us collectively) - while a few of us enjoy our freedom in quiet corners of the network. Now that I think about it, it might not be that bad after all...

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  17. Re:Riiiiiiight by Shalda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a prediction, and not a very good one. Here's a better prediction, the rise of the household file server - for more than just us geeks. People will need and want a central repository for their digital photos, music, recorded TV for watching later. While it will be all about the network, it will be more about the home network than the internet. Spam and viruses will continue to be an arms race. The advances in computing power will be eaten up by flashy graphics and the amount of time it takes to check a file against 1.7 million virus signatures. So all in all, I don't see a huge change except for maybe some legal and patent issues slowly clearing up.

  18. Re:Riiiiiiight by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My predictions are always right but nobody bothers listening to me. Just cus idiots make bad predicitons doesn't mean all predictions are bad. This guys predicition is mostly right which is evident because most of it's already happened.

    The biggest wrong point in this prediction is that we're building an AI. WRONG! The Internet isn't a network of machines. It's a network of people. The machines just accelerate the existing network that already existes among humans. We're forming a super species out of ourselves. As neurons are to brains so are we to the Internet. We've learned to grow faster more far reaching connections so now our global brain can think faster and better.

    As such the thing to watch for is to greater intergration of portal network access devices into our daily lifes. Cell phones and PDAs are kids toys compared to the devices we will be seeing. Expect to have free, and fast, net access everywhere and to see everyone using it. THAT is what is going to happen. Our links will be always on every where we go and the flow will be two way rather than downstream-mostly as it is now.

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