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IE7 Bugs and Reviews
An anonymous reader wrote to mention a Register article in which the possibility is raised of the current build dumping Yahoo and Google toolbars. At the same time, GWBasic writes "I've posted a review on IE 7 Beta 1. It is very clear that, unlike when Microsoft targeted Netscape, they are using their classic method of producing superior software by catering to the needs of the user. This is not IE 6 with a few features borrowed from the competition, but rather a clear step in the evolution of user-centric design." Flexbeta and ZDNet have looks at the new browser as well.
From TFA:OK...so IE7 fails the acid test...just like IE6. Are there any browsers out there (other than that patched-up Safari version) that have actually passed the Acid Test? Any of them available for use?
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The register article is wrong.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Try Hitting Escape ...
Exercise caution when modding this message up: the author acts like a jerk when his karma is excellent.
Yup, Microsoft looks like it made a poor imitation of Firefox.
Yup, and Firefox is just a poor imitation of Opera.
It's always a long day... 86400 doesn't fit into a short.
My university, which is one of the largest in Virginia, has already prominently placed Firefox or Mozilla on virtually all of its lab machines. We also have a general user lab that runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation 4. More and more students are being conditioned to think "IE=bad for me" because if you live on campus or in an apt that uses the school network, then if you use an unpatched OS or browser, you can come back home if there's a major worm problem and find your access cut off until you upgrade. Firefox is the easiest way to get around that.
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
Didn't read the article, did you? The author admits to only beeing experienced in the use of the 'Crazy browser' browser. He states that the new features in IE7 are not copies of features from other browsers. It is obvious from this that he hasn't used Safari or Firefox, which combined have implement every feature he lists except for the merged history. Even the design decisions on tabs, like the single close button at the right, is stolen verbatim from Firefox, which the author is obviously oblivious to.
You want IE7? Use Safari or Firefox.
Try out fish, the friendly interactive shell.
I checked out every css selector/property that I could find that I knew didn't work in IE 6. I was able to find no added support in IE7. They failed.
I think I'll stop here.
The Slashdot introduction says "This is not IE 6 with a few features borrowed from the competition, but rather a clear step in the evolution of user-centric design."
I'm sorry but that is about as wrong as it can be. Every single "new" feature mentioned in the article is already present in every other browser that I know of as a built-in feature or an add-on. This refresh of IE is clearly borrowed from the competition. Unless IE7 includes more changes than what was mentioned in the article, it will still be behind the day it comes out in Vista/Longhorn.
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From what I've read so far (direct from MSDN), there's nothing that significantly improves the lives of web developers. Only 2 of the many CSS bugs have been resolved, no improvement in CSS implementation/support, no good debug tools.
So IE7 will continue holding us back.
I have no idea if this works with IE7, but it's fine with IE6. (And it's another feature FF borrowed and now gets credit for.)
c cess/webdevaccess.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/weba
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
The amusing thing is that Netscape tried this with betas of Netscape 4. So many people had issues with it that they dropped it before the final release. So Microsoft are only 8 years behind the competition ;)
I hear this every time someone mentions web standards. The fact is that "Joe User" is not as stupid as we imagine, he just has other things on his plate, but he still wants all his web apps to work.
useless sig advice - Read Nabokov.
If you have a problem with software, the beta stage is _EXACTLY_ the time to complain it. And no, it doesn't just have to be directly to Microsoft - discussion within the community helps too.
Waiting for the final release and then saying "this feature sucks" will, quite rightly, be met with the response, "Why didn't you try out the betas and tell us about it at that time?"
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Yes, it is obviously a fanboy generated screed. I would like to see a real review of the browser by real web content developers who know about real UI design and what areas current browsers need improvement on. Wait there are a few reactions:
A reaction by Molly Holzschlag of thewebstandards.org, a reviewby Dave Shea of (CSS Zen Garden fame), or a review/reaction list on well known designer Shaun Inmans blog. But leave it to slashdot to link to some MS fanboy just to get a rise out of the flamthrower league.
The dropdown menu for the forward button works for both.
6. (copied from Safari) 2 In 1 Cancel/Refresh button.
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Is there nothing that Opera did not invent first? Oh yes, most of those things listed... because they all appeared in various browsers (many of them IE derivatives) before Opera.
No more talking from Opera zealots please... you're almost as bad as Gentoo zealots.
I spent my yesterday morning screwing around with IE 7 and the truth is, it wants to be firefox really bad, but it's just not good enough. I admit that I am biased, but I have always used the browser I thought was superior, which means I used IE6 for a long time. After rebooting twice from the installation, it broke trillian and anything with a web browser control, that's probably related to it being a beta product though. The browser itself isn't even a reasonable duplicate of firefox. The tabs are an afterthought at best. I didn't find a way to bookmark tabgroups and the top two bars were locked in place, only the file menu and nav buttons could be moved. It was generally disagreeable and I had to remove it. This is my opinion: IE7 is a steaming turd that has been roughly molded to resemble firefox, just don't touch it, smell it, or _use_ it and it's fine.
Safari already does the dropdown box thing for back/forward.
3) Microsoft included an Add-on manger with this version of IE 7. It allows BHOs to be turned on and off.
Am I the only one that's ever done: Tools -> Internet Options -> Programs Tab -> Manage Add Ons Button in IE6?
Even their evolutionary stuff has already been done, by them! The screens look exactly the same in IE6 as 7.
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
So far, only development versions of Safari and Konqueror do.
I'm not sure when they'll be available for public consumption, but the compliant Konqueror should be released with KDE 3.5.
Never start vast projects with half-vast ideas.
Moving the menu bar breaks the Windows standard user interface. Meanwhile, Firefox has followed the Windows standard user interface as completely as they can... sometimes to the detriment of non-Windows ports.
Also, moving the tab bar away from the window makes it harder to immediately identify which tab you're on.
Merged stop-and-reload is just plain daft. The only current browser I know that does this is Safari, and it's the biggest reason I use Shiira instead of Safari on Mac OS X. Is Microsoft copyng Apple's bad ideas again, like when they released the first version of Windows with cooperative multitasking despite having concurrent multitasking working first?
Both these problems can be avoided by using the HTML control from another application, as you can see by the screen-shot of Crazy Browser.
Merging the drop-downs into a single button is visually confusing and doesn't save any space. Putting some of your navigation controls on the opposite side of the address bar is also confusing.
All in all, I'd say the user interface is significantly less consistent and more confusing than IE5 or IE6. This is almost a step back to the early days of the web when browsers seemed to be in a contest to see which could be weirder.
PS: The search bar is just a copy of the search bar on every other browser out there, except the "select search engine" button is on the other side.
PPS: Microsoft can't avoid the reboot when it installs IE, because it's replacing a component that it's using all over the system... they need to kill and restart every GUI program on the system to move the old control out of the way.
The reason that the menu is below the tabs is simple. If it were above the tabs, then you'd be able to use the menu even when Javascript has annoyingly tried to disable it.
To you or me, being able to use the menu at any time is a feature. To MS, however, it's a bug - it gives control to the user, which is basically anathema to the whole concept of a leveraged monopoly.
My analysis may be a little paranoid, I'll admit.
If your comment title says 'Re: Foo', I'm not likely to read it.
I've installed a "longhorn theme-pack" on my windows xp and now my windows explorer has the menu and toolbars layout exactly like that.
Of course, I couldn't stand the new colors and had to change the appearance to windows clasic. I'm not sure if I'll be able to use longhorn if it doesn't come with sane color themes or a "clasic" mode.
I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow...
My guess is that they want to tie the menu bar more closely to the currently shown tab. When you have multiple browser based applications open in multiple tabs, and each browser-bases app is allowed to merge its own app-specific menu with the IE menu, than the menu layout becomes closely tied with the currently shown tab. To visually indicate this, they might have moved the menu closer to the tab.
I just installed Amaya and, amazingly, it screws up the acid test almost as much as IE does. Firefox and Opera both render it much better.
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The documentation is publicly available. No need to join MSDN (I haven't even installed the beta anywhere for lack of an available box) http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url= /workshop/essentials/whatsnew/whatsnew_70_sdk.asp
Says only Alpha Channels have been added.
CSS, HTML and JavaScript affect me more than PNG, but that's just me.
IE7 looking like firefox is the least of my concerns, just confirms the trend toward what internet browsing is going. One thing not discussed though is the memory use. No matter what I am doing in IE, the memory usage will always be smaller than Firefox by at least 50%. (Three tabs in Firefox = 43,264 K / IE6 3 windows opened 23,076 K) As a control freak checking my task manager every 62 minutes, 50% more memory used for browsing is a catastrophic incident that is corroding my affiliation to Firefox.
Correction:
6. (copied from Safari, which copied it from Opera) 2 In 1 Cancel/Refresh button.
Tools/Options/Tabbed Browsing/Tab Focus/Select Load Middle-clicked URLs in New Tabs. FF 1.0.6
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/444957 .aspx
The IE team just responded here
Guess you'll have to resort to using the incredibly difficult esc key.
TFA: "The fucking article" - part of the commonly used RTFA ("Read the fucking article"), which is a common forum spin-off of the very common RTFM ("Read the fucking manual") exclamation made my many a frustrated geek.
Laziness, check. Impatience, check. Hubris, double check!
Whoooaaa... Take two steps back there cowboy.
Slipstreaming and OPK have a place in a company with very many PC's. But getting your GF's laptop going is not one of them.
The parent post is quite clear, He turns on his GF's new laptop.
I know of what he's talking about because I have the same experience at the small company I work for. Even after buying a computer with SP2 installed, there's a truckload of MS updates requiring reboots. Followed by more Symantec updates requiring reboots.
Before firing off a quick dismissal, please remember there's a whole world of users outside your immediate circle that can and likely do have very different experiences than yours.
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No, I don't think you're the only one. I certainly hope not, at any rate. I would too, if I ever used IE. But I don't and frankly, I'm not particularly sympathetic to IE users. I think they deserve what they get, except in those cases where they have to, due to corporate fiat, required Web apps that support nothing else, etc.
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OK, my Aunt Tillie can't be expected to know about this sort of thing. I can be a bit sympathetic there. But Aunt Tillie (or anyone else, for that matter) should be able to recognize that there are dangers to using things tools they don't understand. There's only so much you can do to defend these people from themselves. It's largely a difficult and thankless job. In fact, it's worse than thankless--it often gets you the tin-foil hat label. I've had that happen to me, professionally. It's unpleasant, adds to difficulites in getting other security measures implemented, etc. Now, I only do it when it's very specifically part of my charter.
In other words, I'm a security guy, and not being paid to worry about that at the moment.
On the other hand, this is beta software. Given the hue and cry about the rumors related to Microsoft buying Claria, covered in
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/30/13
and
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/11/0
and many more 'mainstream' media sites (Ziff-Davis properties, etc.) I think M$ could be expected to make some major guarantees that the information wouldn't be retained, much less used in any form, before this became a production release. Anything else would be an epic PR disaster. And if they lied about it, one whistle-blower would be an even *worse* PR disaster. Hard to see what's worse than 'epic' but I'm confident that it would be.
Cheers,
VENONA
What you do with a computer does not constitute the whole of computing.
Interestingly, Netscape 8 did this long before IE7, and it ships turned on if I recall correctly.
Odd how that's in FireFox now, pixel-per-pixel copied! It's a two way street.
Um, el wrongo. It was in Firefox first.