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Review of Consumer-Friendly Linux Distro

miketronics writes "Linspire Five-O is a full-featured Linux operating system which is intended for desktop use, mainly as an alternative to Windows XP. XYZComputing has a review of the latest version. The company, which was formerly known as Lindows, has gotten a lot of press for including their OS with pre-bundled computers." From the article: "Once the installation is over with Five-O is ready to go. The first time the OS is used Linspire's tutorial program will activate. This is one of most accessible tutorials on any Linux distro and it should be a great help to new users. Though it does not go into extreme depth, it does give the user enough understanding of the OS to get started. Even if you are a Linux pro it will probably be helpful to check out the CNR section, as this system is unique to Linspire. The fact that the developers have the tutorial voice-narrated shows Linspire's commitment to user support -- this feature makes the otherwise boring tutorial watchable."

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  1. Voice narration? by sharkb8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How helpful will a voice over be when Linux doesn't install your soundcard drivers properly?

    1. Re:Voice narration? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Debian is more PnP for me than Windows XP.

      I just installed Debian stable (sarge) last week on my Dell GX-270 at work (adding an XP partition and getting rid of FC2). In my past experience, all the dell optiplex hardware will work, but often times the proper config needs to be made, just like you mention.

      Anyway, this particular install of Debian everything Just Worked. Sound, network, USB mouse, LCD monitor, Intel video, USB ports - everything, no extra config needed.

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    2. Re:Voice narration? by nolife · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About drivers..
      Many people are already familiar with Windows. Not that is any easier then Linux but being familiar makes it easy. Keep in mind, there are people familiar with Linux as well.

      An example from today.

      New XP machine and a new HP9050 printer on the network with an IP of 192.168.0.100.

      Start --> Printers and Faxes. Select add new printer. I select next at the Add printer wizard box. I am given the option of "Local printer attached to this computer" or Network Printer. I select Netowrk Printer.
      "What printer do you want to connect to?" I try all three options with the printer ip address. None of them work. I go back and select "Local printer attached to this computer". Odd, it's not attached to my computer, it's on the network but I'll try it anyway. I select next and a box pops up and says No PNP printer found, press next to continue. I guess the box "Automatically detect and install my PNP printer" was checked by default. I browse through the list of available ports and do not see my network printer. I choose the other option called "Create a new Port". Standard TCP/IP Printer port is my best guess. When trying to create the port I recieve an error saying the port could not be created and i needed administrative rights to do that. I log off and log in as local administrator. I get back to that point and create the port with the printers IP address. I immediately get a prompt telling me to indentify what type of device I am trying to connect to and given a list of devices. I had the printer turned off so i turned it on and tried again. Ah, it determined it is a HP Jetdirect card now and Windows is asking me what type of printer am I trying to install. I am presented with a list of drivers I'd like to use. I browse through the HP printers and do not see the LJ 9050 listed. I cancel the process and hit HP's web site. After some searching around I see 2 drivers that look good for XP, a PCL5e and PCL6, I assume I do not need the 9050 printer system which is over 50MB in size. I browse the readme files and I have no idea which one I need or which is better. I decide to get the PCL5e because it only 5.8MB. I download and run the install. I am presented with two options. Automatically install the drivers and delete the temp files on completion or if I'd just like to expand the files into a specific directory. I take the default to perform the install automatically. That process completed. Well, what was that? I see no printers installed and now I have no idea what just happened or what was supposed to happen.
      For a forth time, I go back into "Add Printer". I selected Local Printer and add port again, type my ip address in and this time recieve an error that the port is already installed on my system. Oh, I canceled out of the add printer wizard earlier when I realized I need drivers but the wizard did at least create my port. I am now presented with a same dialog box asking to pick my printer model. I still see no HP 9050 printer listed under the HP printers list. I tried to browse the HD for the driver but not only do I not know what I am looking for, I do not know where to look. I will run the HP9050 PCL5E driver file again. This time I select to just expand the file into the c:\hplj9050 directory. For about the fifth time. I go back to "add printer", select my previosuly configured port, and this time select have disk and point to that directory on c:\. Finally, it shows my printer and installs the driver. I can now print to my 9050!!!

      Okay, in all honesty, I do this all day every day and it would really only take me about 3 minutes to get this installed but did you see those steps? Those are real steps and a realistic process of what a non computer geek would have to go through to get this printer installed. For someone NOT already familiar with Windows XP, this is by no means easy. It seems easy to you and others because you take it for granted because you have been using and messing with the OS for years. For someone who has not been, the process would be no easier then installing the same printer on a Linux system.

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  2. 50 bucks? by Eternauta3k · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The tradeoff is the price- Linspire Five-O can be downloaded for just $49.95, significantly less than most other retail desktop Linux distributions.

    You know, fedora's quite cheap...
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    1. Re:50 bucks? by Sancho · · Score: 3, Informative

      Guess it depends on definitions. Fedora isn't a retail desktop Linux distribution, is it? Fedora's counterpart, is an enterprise solution, and thus doesn't fit the "desktop" modifier.

      In fact, offhand, the only other retail, desktop Linux distribution I can think of is SuSE, which is downloadable for free, but costs money if you want it on CDs. The full retail package of SuSE is around $90, but again, you're getting more than just a download.

      I have seen Debian CDs for sale in retail stores, and they were less than $50 I believe, however I haven't seen this in awhile.

      Truthfully, I'd like to know about all these other retail desktop LInux distributions....

    2. Re:50 bucks? by cosmic_gravy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Distrowatch has a page discussing the "freeness" (I know, not a word) of various linux distros:

      http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=freedom/

      Linspire is listed under "4".

    3. Re:50 bucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hi

      I'm writing to ask for your advice since you seem to know about Linux. I was recently at a friends house, and he showed me his new Linux. It had a lot of interesting "features" like windows and firefox and tcpip. He even showed me dirty pictures with it.

      My friend told me that he downloaded his Linux for free! He even showed me the web site. I think it was linuxtorrent.com. I freaked out! He's stealing form Linux! He told me that it was OK and that Linux is free, but I didn't believe him.

      What should I do? My friend is stealing from Linux. A lot of people worked very hard to make Linux, and he's taking it without even saying thanks. I want him to stop, but I don't want him to go to jail! Please, help me, I don't know what to do?

  3. Whats up with the screenshots??? by TheWorkz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Come on... taking screenshot images of the OS through a Digital Camera?? How about VMWARE? or Video Output? Anything is better than a monitor picture. Jeeesh...

  4. ... jarring word choice ... by ninjagin · · Score: 5, Funny
    I started reading the review, but I was shaken free when I read this, on page 2:

    "The company, which was formerly known as Lindows, has gotted a lot of press for including their OS with pre-bundled computers."

    After "gotted", I think that as I continue to read the review, I'm going to be looking for these little goodies more than actually taking in the content.

    ... must ... resist ... powers ... of ... critique ...

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  5. Punch Card by locokamil · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will people understand that Linux is for real men who honed their skillz by walking uphill both ways to the mainframe building in order to run their punch card programs? ::sigh::

    1. Re:Punch Card by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell that to my computer-challenged mother, who uses Linux. A friend at work who uses Linux and has no idea how to admin it. My best freind's 68-year-old father, who uses Linux.

      Linux doesn't *HAVE* to be any harder to install or use than any other OS.

  6. Re:Mirror of full article by debilo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Though I doubt that that a review of Linspire is going to get slashdotted late on a Friday afternoon.

    Because we geeks are busy getting ready for one of those zillion parties we alway get invited to?

  7. What I like about Linspire by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There are many things to love about Linux based Operating Systems especially on the virus/malware/addware side, but what I have come to like about Linspire is that it just works as advertised. It just works! SuSE does not (remember multimedia)? Second, it's beautiful. I love its fonts. For other distros, I have had to tweak X11 and download this script http://vigna.dsi.unimi.it/webFonts4Linux/webFonts. sh in order to see fonts as I like them. What troubles me most is that even for Debian based ones, the invoking of this command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" might leave you with an unusable system.

    Now, if Linspire could adapt autopackage http://autopackage.org/, the better since Linspire packages would be able to install on any distro.

  8. GCC? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Linspire does not include GCC, and it is only available with a CNR subscription, unless you go back to using apt-get, which Linspire says may screw up your system. No gcc? can't install many apps..... Why should I pay for GPL'd software?

    1. Re:GCC? I think not. by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Philosophically, I agree with you, but I can see their point, too. Using GCC to compile and install non-Linspire sanctioned applications gives non-novice but non-advanced users the ability to majorly screw up their system. These users would then proceed to unduly tax the company's tech support people and, even worse, gripe about how unstable Linspire is to all of their friends and Internet forums.

      If you don't want to pay for GPL software, you don't have to. But remember the beauty of GPL software—Linspire can sell it to people who will pay for it if they want to, and the promise of stability and ease-of-use makes me lean towards thinking that it's justified.

  9. Awful review by Osty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's wrong with the review? I don't know. I couldn't bring myself to read through it. But from looking at the presentation and skimming the article, it sucks. Why?

    • 7 pages? WTF? Was that really necessary? Combine several pages (especially page 1 which only has two paragraphs) or at least provide a printer-friendly version.
    • Photographs for screenshots? Weak. Maybe that's fine for cases where you can't really get a screenshot (during installation, though you could've run an installation through Virtual PC or VMWare to get screenshots), but after that you can easily take normal screenshots. In fact, the images are a mishmash of screenshots and photographs. Why would you take a photo of the Linspire Control Center (for example) when you could take a screenshot?
    • Horrible conclusion. If you're going to give a pro/con list, you should explain it in your conclusion. You say that Linspire is "not as performance oriented as others", or "lacks important features"? What are they? I saw nothing about either of those two problems in the conclusion, and I really don't feel like going back through six other pages looking for the one sentence where you explained what you meant by "lacks important features".
    • Grammar. "These lax requirements is what allows Linspire (and other Linux distros) ..." wtf? "Requirements" is plural, so you need to match that with your verb ("are" instead of "is").
    • No explanation of system requirements. What is a "Linspire-compatbile sound card" or a "Linspire-compatbile ... modem, cable modem, or DSL modem"? If Linspire has a compat list, link to it. If they don't, why not do a bit of research and provide a nice list for users?
    • Still too much focus on installation, and praise for stupid crap. Linspire uses a GUI installer, making it appear more friendly? Woo! Distros have been doing this for years! Installation is pretty much a solved problem as far as I'm concerned (even Debian is supposedly getting a better installer some time). Besides that, though, the installer still doesn't appear to make partitioning any easier (whether it should or not is not the question here). The review chooses to go through the Advanced installation option, but never touches on the most difficult part. If everybody simply had their partitions magically configured like the reviewers, I'm sure nobody would ever be confused by partitioning.
  10. Five - 0 by Quirk · · Score: 3, Funny
    Copyright infringement?

    Book him, Dano.

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  11. Performance? by ucahg · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From original article:
    The minimum requirements for Five-O:

    - 800 MHz or higher processor
    [snip]
    These lax requirements is what allows Linspire (and other Linux distros) to run well on both inexpensive and old computers- both of which may have trouble with Windows XP.


    Lax requirements? Better than XP? Those requirements seem high to me, as someone who has Windows XP running just dandy on a Pentium II 350MHz PC. 800? Minimum? Why?
  12. Review of the review review by jlapier · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Awful review" was a great review of the Linspire review. The author plainly stated his opinion and then backed it up with a tightly prepared bullet-point synopsis of serveral points. I especially enjoyed the comments regarding the length of the article and the photographed screenshots. I couldn't agree more.

    The only bad thing I could say about this review (of the review) was that it was anti-climatic. After an intense, bullet-driven analysis, the author leaves us with no conclusion, instead leaving us to ponder over the difficulty of disk partitioning rather than tying together the point he was trying to make.

    4(/5)

  13. The killer: media players by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have a friend who is smart, but not a real "computers guy". He was at my house and needed to borrow a computer. I only have Linux computers here, and so he tried it and was impressed. He could do everything he needed to do under Suse without any problems: access his mail, access the Web, access Excel spreadsheets (with OpenOffice), etc. Except for one thing: he couldn't play video clips, and when he got his laptop, he said, "I'll use Windows on this so I can play video." That's all. Otherwise he would use Linux.

    I am very experienced with Linux and computers in general and I still can't get Windows Media video to work properly on this, and the only DVD playback I have is through MPlayer and I still can't get a GUI working on MPlayer.

    What I had to go through to get this far: Download and compile MPlayer. Ok, that's no problem and it plays DVDs. Download and install the Windows codecs pack. Now MPlayer (still with no GUI) can play WMV. That's great. Xine (KDE's preferred video player) can't detect these Windows codecs, even though I put them in /usr/lib/win32, which is where they're supposed to be. So no integrated desktop playback; if I want to play a clip, I download it, save it, open up a console window, and point MPlayer at it. I tried to get MPlayer to compile with --gui-enabled so at least I could have a front-end for it. No luck; it can't find gtk2+ development libraries. I tried to install them and couldn't find them anywhere that MPlayer could find them. I also tried to install a dvddecss lib where Xine could find it so Xine could play encrypted (standard) movie DVDs. Again, nothing I could do worked.

    Mind you, this is all with Suse 9.3, the latest and greatest. All of this stuff is supposed to be worked out by now. I can get it to just barely work, with no desktop integration and no GUI, and I'm an experienced and knowledgable user. What are other people supposed to do, just use their imagination?

    Oh and the situation is even worse with Flash. In my previous Suse installations, Flash worked fine in Konqueror. Now with Suse 9.3, I get a crash when Konqueror tries to render a page with Flash, so I have to use Moz or Firefox to view it, and guess what, those have problems working with KDE's sound system so I might not get sound with my Flash.

    I realize that there are legal problems with codecs and DVDs and whatever. Before Linux is ever going to get consumer-level acceptance, these problems need to be solved, or worked around. A solution would be to get a commercially-developed Linux media player that a) integrates with the desktop and b) works and c) package that with the distro. A work-around would be to make up a media player installer that you just click on, it downloads whatever it needs from non-US sites, and it does all the stuff, and it WORKS.

    I'm happy to pay for Linux distros (I think I paid almost $100 for Suse 9.3 pro). If they have to tack on another $10 or $20 to include a solid, well-integrated working media player, they need to do it.

    All the other apps are more than good enough right now. OOo is a good consumer-level (and biz level) replacement for MS Office. Firefox is better than IE. All that is lacking is multimedia playback.

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    1. Re:The killer: media players by ithicine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the many reasons I use Linux is because of the multimedia support. WMP doesn't seem to come equipped to play DVDs; when I insert a disc, it cries, screams, and runs home to mommy, who doesn't have any codecs to give. On the other hand, everything is always perfect with xine. It even loads faster than WMP. Come to think of it, I have yet to run into a video format that xine wouldn't play.

      It doesn't even seem to (in my case) require much special setup if anything. It worked great in Gentoo, and just dandy under Ubuntu. No problems either way... though playing videos sure as hell was a problem not all that long ago. The last time I remember running into these problems was back when Mandrake 6.0 was cutting edge.

      But hey, you're right that people run into problems. The fact that I haven't (in at least the last year) doesn't speak for everyone else's experience. So really, what I'd like to know is why people are having such a hard time when they don't have to.

  14. Tux tour by NullProg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first time the OS is used Linspire's tutorial program will activate. This is one of most accessible tutorials on any Linux distro and it should be a great help to new users. Though it does not go into extreme depth, it does give the user enough understanding of the OS to get started.

    Does anyone remember the disk you used to get when buying an Apple? Apple made a nice tutorial for all thier computers. I'm suprised the Gnome/KDE/whatever teams don't have something like this. It could be a flash animation or an interactive web site. Show them how to cut/paste, system configuration etc. Hell, do a interactive Tux demo.

    People love to be shown how to do things rather than reading TFM.

    Food for thought, enjoy.

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  15. Helix Player 2.0 in development by kforeman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with your assessment. Multimedia on Linux is behind other platforms. Real, Linspire, Red Hat, Novell and others aggressively working to change this landscape. Specifically, we are now working on the Helix Player 2.0 https://player.helixcommunity.org/ which provides for support of Windows Media, MP3, RealVideo, RealAudio, Flash, etc as well as other great features like Ad-free radio and Automatic Bandwidth Detection.

    I urge all interested to join us by joining the project mailing lists and letting us know if you encounter and bugs in the product.

    Kevin Foreman,
    GM, Helix

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    1. Re:Helix Player 2.0 in development by DashEvil · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd like to point out that XMMS didn't drop mp3 support. Distributions like RedHat and Fedora strip the mp3 support out.

      I'll install xmms from source, and the latest versions are of great use to me.

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  16. Marble Blast Gold is an insanely boring freeware g by crivens · · Score: 3, Funny

    "As it turns out Marble Blast Gold is an insanely boring freeware game"

    I stopped reading at this point as it was an insanely boring review.

  17. You're fired. by Stauf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry, you said "skillz". Clearly, a violation of section 4.

    You can turn in your punchcards on the way out.

  18. Review of the review review review by Stauf · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Review of the review review" was a reasonable review of the Linspire review review. However, the reviewer of the review's review was more then a little brief, and skimmed right over a few of his most important points. He claims to have "especially enjoyed the comments" about length and screenshots, however he neglected to back them up with any quotes or specific points from the original review of the review; leaving the audience to wonder exactly what it was he was agreeing with (many of us prefer to read the review's review before reading the review of the review).

    However, the author, jlapier, did raise some interesting points about the conclusion of the initial review's review. He claimed that it was "anti-climatic", and backed up his claims with a witty reference to the review's review's final point.

    A well written, snappy review. Even though it suffered a little without reference to his primary material.

    3.5 / 5