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Skype's Sale As Media Feint

ansak writes "Bob Cringely's latest article shows evidence that some aspects of the 90s bubble are indeed back: Why would Rupert Murdoch think of paying $3billion for a mostly free online service like Skype? But his last line shows a keen understanding of Murdoch's skills and methods: 'By putting Skype in play, he distracts for no money at all most of the major media companies. And while they try to figure out how to respond to VoIP, old Rupert will be attacking them on some completely other front. He'll be stealing their shoes.'"

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  1. This goes much further back than the 90's by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bob Cringely's latest article shows evidence that some aspects of the 90s bubble are indeed back: Why would Rupert Murdoch think of paying $3billion for a mostly free online service like Skype?

    This is the classic fake left and go right. It has been around as long as competition in business. Why is it that as soon as you throw in a 'net, eThis, iThat, or whatever other technology related slang, people immediately get stupind and forgetful? It's business plain and simple. Make your competitor concentrate on one part of the market and you have free reign in the rest. It's that simple.

    1. Re:This goes much further back than the 90's by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cringely's pretty clever in how he wrote this up, too. If Murdoch buys Skype, Cringely will be hailed as a prophet. And if not, Cringely's "ploy" theory still seems plausible, due (if nothing else) to Machievelian appeal. Either way, Cringely comes off looking good.

    2. Re:This goes much further back than the 90's by new-black-hand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sector is really interesting and heating up. Skype is not a standard, so Skype can only talk to Skype and they are trying to create their own version of what they consider internet telephony to be, a bit like MSN in the early days of the net. What the potential valuations of Skype do not look into are what they actually offer. Some here have already pointed out that free messenger services such as MSN and Yahoo! already offer voice, at better quality, so what is it that skype does other than link phone numbers to skype usernames? This is a perfect scenario for an open source application to make use of an open standard such as SIP (Which is compatible with a lot of hardware, and existing voip networks) and to create a multi-platform consumer product that provides zero lock-in (as skype does).



      These telephony apps are the browsers for the voice internet, so nothing less than a full browser war would be expected. Hence the reason why incompatible applications such as skype will die away as newer and better open source applications that can inter-operate are released and taken up. I would even speculate that a voip client ('browser') would be much easier to develop than an open source web browser, and I think it is high time that the open source crowds jumps in to promote and develop the alternatives to these nasty commercial applications.

  2. Shoes by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fuck I just got new sneakers...

  3. Skype quality?? by Really+Wannabe+Geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have never understood why Skype is considered good quality VoIP. Perhaps my experience is the only bad one? I tried Skype for an international chat whether the other machine was on a dial up connection (mine on DSL). Skype worked well only the first time and all that I got on later attempts was weird voice quality, long lags, etc. Nowadays, I have settled on Yahoo Messenger which does an amazing job of voice chat - beats the latest MSN Msgr hands down; rarely a lag, excellent quality, near instant call connect. I have uninstalled Skype a long time ago. Did anyone else have a chance to compare Skype with the IM voice chats?

    1. Re:Skype quality?? by paulius_g · · Score: 5, Informative

      I like Skype and MSN Messenger over Yahoo's voice for several reasons:

      First, Yahoo does not always transmit voice. So there is that weird silence when nobody is talking. I better like hearing the backround noise because it makes you feel more "emersed".

      Secondly, voice quality of MSN Messenger and Skype depend on your microphone and Internet connection. I recall calling a 56K user and having near-32bit quality. Another time, I've called a radio station (which had an excellent microphone and a decent Internet connection) and the quality was astounding (at a whopping 128kbps)!

      MSN Messenger, only has two quality modes. I call them good and bad. The bad quality will mask some backround sound and transmit at 32bit, while the good quality even goes beyond Skype, many times. Of course, because of Microsoft, proper connection detection fails at multiple times and sometimes the voice simply does not work!

      Now, let's get on a bad side of Skype (uh oh!) Skype uses quite an abundant percent of CPU compared to other programs. On a 800MHz computer, Skype takes up a whopping 80% while MSN remains at a low 5%. This is bad if you're trying to play some FPS game togethor or surf the web. Skype is preservative on bandwidth, though.

      On the alternatives side, we have the usual VO-IP programs used by gamers and communities: Ventrilo and TeamSpeak. I prefer Ventrilo as it's quality can be comparted to MSN Messenger, but TeamSpeak is a bit preservative and goes at a way lower quality. Both these alternatives are excellent when chatting in groups.

      So, to conclude:
            Skype
      Advantages
        o Conference support
        o Great quality
        o Stable and reliable
        o Nice interface
        o Multi Platform --- Yay for Linux support!
        o Low bandwidth consumption
        o Bypasses firewalls greatly (I've tested with many corporate firewalls and Skype knows it's way around it!)

      Disadvantages
        o High CPU usage
        o Not excellent for 56K connections

      Until next time,
      Paulius

    2. Re:Skype quality?? by Knights+who+say+'INT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Skype works behind NATs and is available for Linux and OS X.

      There aren't really any alternatives.

    3. Re:Skype quality?? by pmazer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gizmo is trying to compete... we'll see how that pans out.

    4. Re:Skype quality?? by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2, Informative

      You missed out some key disadvantages:

      1)Skype isn't open-source. You can't read the source code, therefore you can't necessarily trust it. I'm not naturally inclined to give the makers of kazaa the benefit of the doubt.

      2)Skype is gratuitously incompatible with the rest of the world, and uses a closed protocol. This is unforgivable.

      3)Skype is P2P - which means that in some cases, such as Cambridge University, it cannot be used, because a user of the university network may not grant network bandwidth to non-members.

      If you want a good Linux SIP phone, try Linphone + FreeWorld Dialup.

    5. Re:Skype quality?? by MP3Chuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I'm not naturally inclined to give the makers of kazaa the benefit of the doubt."

      The makers of kazaa are not the same people that riddled it with spyware (Sharmann Networks, or whatever it was...).

  4. Why buy Skype? by hotspotbloc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Why would Rupert Murdoch think of paying $3billion for a mostly free online service like Skype?

    $3b is a lot but Skype has a large and loyal user base. They could tie in a lot of things like: legal online music sales, expanding SkypeOut and SkypeIn and banner ads in the software. With Skype expanding out of the PC (like how Motorola is adding Skype to some of their phones) it has a lot of potential.

    It's a little like someone looking at buying Apple. While they have good hardware and software they are so much more. Maybe that's what Murdoch sees for the future of Skype.

    But is it worth $3b? I don't know.

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  5. Lachlan Murdoch quits News Corp by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    links

    Perhaps there is a connection.

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  6. Why buy Skype? by doyen2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    To call his son when he moves to Australia.

  7. The Murdoch Internet Rope-a-dope. by Ohmster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great Cingely post. Rupert has been "feinting" on Internet matters with his peers for over a decade. Notable is his speech to his peers a few weeks ago. See http://mp.blogs.com/mp/2005/04/ss_15.html His recent announcement of a Fox Internet unit also has these elements. More here: http://mp.blogs.com/mp/2005/07/on_news_corp_cr.htm l

  8. Bubble Spinners *Heart* Feint by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I watched that Bubble blowhard, Kudlow, yelling into the camera yesterday about how Skype (not VoIP itself) "destroys the Baby Bells". Even though he mentioned that Skype is free only among Skype PCs, and they charge for connections to the PSTN - which can't scale. Murdoch's already got Kudlow fainting.

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  9. I for one... by realcoolguy425 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new shoe stealing overlords!

  10. Don't forget GizmoProject by havaloc · · Score: 3, Informative

    GizmoProject uses SIP, which makes it a little bit more open.

  11. I'd sell for $3 billion, by spisska · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like Cringely's articles because they are always insightful, always look at things from a different angle, and almost always feature a prediction that I find very unlikely but compelling enough to make me look at the given topic in a different light (which is strikingly different from Dvorak articles, which are always inept, look at things from the same angle as everyone else but with cracked bifocals, and prove the adage that even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time).

    That having been said, Skype is a very dangerous thing for the big telecom providers. As Cringely points out, the big phone companies can't buy it to kill it because something else would take its place. But he misses that this also holds for cable companies.

    I use Skype Out regularly to call internationally, and I know that nobody calls to PSTN networks for less unless they own the switch on both ends.

    Comcast et al want to sell VoIP on top of broadband, but Skype (or its successor) is free with broadband -- which brings up the whole bit about synergy and technical capabilities and whatnot.

    Since the whole Skype backbone is P2P there really isn't a whole lot of infrastructure involved, other than the database for paying customers. There's no real physical infrastructure because the users are the network. As I understand it, Skype only has a few dozen employees (but I may have read that a while ago, before they had 20 million regular users).

    The fact that there's basically no infrastructure means that it will be hard for a big incumbent operator to leverage its network size to take advantage of something like Skype. The whole Skype network costs its operators next to nothing to run right now, so how is MegaCableTeleCom, Inc (with all its buildings and employee unions, and executive bonuses, and specialized equipment, and miles and miles of plain-old-copper/coaxial/fiber lines, etc) going to keep it cheap enough to compete with free without losing?

    Cringely's right -- Murdoch won't pay $3 billion, but somebody probably will. Only what's for sale is not the network but the customers. And those customers will flee in a minute if whoever runs Skype starts acting like a phone company -- cryptic bills, mystery charges, line-carrier fees, connection charges, etc. After all, something better and cheaper will come along any day now. For $3 billion, I'd sell.

  12. Ditch the landlines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been thinking about VOIP as a way of ditching my landline. Switch from

    $80/mo for landline, local calls, and DSL/ISP

    to

    $20/mo for cable modem
    $16/mo for most basic cable
    $16/mo for Vonage VOIP
    Total $52/mo, and I get more TV than I got before,
    have a phone line in the house (I use my cell more anyway), and prepare myself for the next great thing....Netflix trickle download to TiVO in about 6 months.

    Really, I've paid WAY too much for DSL for the last 5 years, in about a week I'm gonna tell the bells I don't need their landline. Its gonna be an interesting phone call to say the least.

    But this comes back to the value of Skype...my Italian colleague here in the states talks to his Dad for free every morning at 5AM (our time). That is an unreal technology. Now, he wouldn't talk to his old man so much if it was not free, but it is, and his phone usage would be over $100/mo on landlines, free on Skype.

    My other colleague (a Canadian/Israeli double citizen) uses Skype as her landline. Her laptop goes everywhere with her, and she is on broadband about 3/4 of the time, reachable on her Skype phone line.

    The phone company landlines are challengeable by VOIP, for a tiny fraction of the cost since the user provides the "last mile" access over broadband. Its a great business model, and I expect Vonage and Skype to make a mint - those two Scandanavians that started Skype are gonna be even richer....

  13. Explains the newspaper articles. by orpheus82 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, that explains the full-page article in Australian NewsCorp-owned newpapers this morning touting VoIP as the way of the future for phone calls. And of course, the article mentioned Skype several times as if it were the only service of its type available!

  14. Niklas Zennström 7 weeks ago by TheUnknownCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The guy behind Skype on an interview on June 17:
    "And now we're also very much focussing on moving away from the computer into mobile devices, so you can use Skype for free wirelessly."
    They (Murdoch and Zennström) were already talking back then. Deals worth 3 Gigadollars are very well studied by both parties, and they've done their homework. Murdoch sees the niche that he can jump into after leaving News Corp. and Zennström makes it just plain clear that he's talking with wireless carriers that already has the customer base and infrastructure to support such Skype over your wireless phone...
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  15. I can't believe by mpapet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone else hasn't realized that he'll make people pay for VOIP and push it through cable boxes everywhere he can.

    In taiwan it's called the triple play. (Media, Internet, Telephone)

    He really doesn't care about the "free." He cares that it's a proven system that works.

    Michael

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  16. Skype is bottoming out by afarhan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Skype needs revenues to get anywhere. Those revenues will primarily come from either SkypeOut or SkypeIn. Unlike the virally and self-spreading nature of a the original Skype (which is a pure IP play), these services require charging, billing and customer support. certainly not something that can be done by clever marketing and adding a codec to kazaa. they will need to re-orient themselves to be customer responsive, regulation compliant, service oriented business. which is going to be difficult for zenstorm to pull off.

    if i really need a cheap internet calling card (essentially what skypeout is), i will hunt around for the best deal, keeping my skype id aside, there is no stickiness in calling phone numbers from a particular VoIP provider. Subscribers will switch to the best deal of the day. Skype will not be able to milk this unless they are the cheapest in the market. For that, they already have the volumes to negotiate. Their problem is a lack of customer relationship management. I seriously doubt thier ability to scale in that sense. Think India and Phillipines and process outsourcing.

    Probably, they can charge the telcos that send their traffic to skype users. this is called the inter-connect fee. However, given the low reliability of skype and it's reliance on unsuspecting computers being turned into unwilling proxies, they call completion rates are going to be abysmal. as a result, the telcos might not agree to the standard inter-connect fees at all.

    Earlier acquisitions like ICQ and Hotmail were relevant to microsoft and aol because they needed the userids. At the moment, there are far far many more MSN and AOL instant messenger ids than skype. (quick: how many contacts do you have on your AOL/MSN vs Skyp contacts? i have 200 on my msn and 5 on my skype).

    Skype will need to become a regular telco to go anywhere. They will need to hire people and build a great world class customer support and e-commerce experience. I would suggest they hire Jakob Neilson and Patricia Seybold and get working instead of looking for a kerb side deal with the shady murdochs.

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