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19 million Amps

deblau writes "On July 27, scientists at the National Nuclear Security Administration's Nevada Test Site said they generated a current equal to about four times all the electrical current on Earth. During the few millionths of a second that it operated, the 650-ton Atlas pulsed-power generator discharged about 19 million amps of current through an aluminum cylindrical shell about the size of a tuna can. Official news release is available from the DOE (PDF)."

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  1. Elsewhere in the news: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny


    In operation, the 650-node Slashdot news-for-nerds generator successfully discharged nearly 19 million hits of HTTP requests through the NNSA Nevada Site Office News webpage, or PDF, on a server about the size and shape of a tuna can. The requests caused the server to implode at extreme speeds, with unrivaled symmetry, precision, and reproducibility.

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  2. Math by dsginter · · Score: 5, Funny

    I did the math for everyone... it works out to One point twenty one jiga-watts, Marty!

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    1. Re:Math by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would require about 64 volts of potential across the target at the stated current, at a resistance of 3.3 micro-ohms of resistance in the target.

      Given the "few millionths of a second" duration, the total energy would be about a kilo-joule to ten kilo-joules - about the same as the chemical energy in a single gumdrop (there's a new /unit for you!)

    2. Re:Math by springbox · · Score: 3, Funny

      about the same as the chemical energy in a single gumdrop (there's a new /unit for you!)

      I look forward to the day when the phrase "gumdrops per second" appears in physics text books. I promise to use it every chance I get.

    3. Re:Math by Mercano · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've been using a Tic-Tac as a unit of energy. Just one (kilo)calorie.

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    4. Re:Math by eugene259 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      resistance of a conductor is:
      R=rho*L/A
      where
      rho - resistivity of the material in Ohms/m
      L - length of the conductor
      A - cross-sectional area in m^2 (in this case pi*r^2).
      rho for Al is 26.5x10-9.
      I am not sure what size can of tuna they were comparing the aluminium liner to in the official release but say it is a big can, say 5cm in heights, 12cm in width.
      This makes the resistance:
      R around 1.17x10-7 Ohms which makes the power:
      P = VI = I^2*R ~ 42293215 or 0.042 gigawatts at about 2.2V
      A bit short of 1.21 (28 times short in fact :-) but look at it that way - even if they delivered the 1.21 gigawatts, they need to work out how to get the 650-ton generator moving at 80mph to time travel...

  3. 19 Million amps!! by Winckle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that was how Pink Floyd should have played.

  4. Wouldn't that be... by jav1231 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "about four times all the electrical power on Earth"
    Wouldn't that be all of the OTHER power on Earth? After all, this test was conducted on Earth, making even this discharge a subset of the "all the electrical power on Earth," but I digress. It's really amazing, though, to think this was pulse through a tuna-can sized hunk of aluminum. You'd think it melt. Tuna...melt....I really should stop.

  5. What? by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...Test Site said they generated a current equal to about four times all the electrical power on Earth.

    ...

    During the few millionths of a second that it operated, the 650-ton Atlas pulsed-power generator discharged about 19 million amps

    Um....unless things have changed in the 25+ years since I took a college physics class, we measure POWER in WATTS, and CURRENT in AMPS. So the number you quoted in AMPS that you claims is eqaual to four times the POWER in amps doesn't make any sense. Of course, that never stopped our /. Editors before!

  6. Hmm... by leshert · · Score: 5, Funny

    On July 27, scientists at the National Nuclear Security Administration's Nevada Test Site said they generated a current equal to about four times all the electrical power on Earth.

    Where did they do this experiment--Mars?

  7. Two points by TildeMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Current != power. Power = I^2 R, or any equivalent formula.

    2. They did this on Earth, so it was actually only 80% of the electrical power (or insert appropriate noun here, see point 1) on Earth. Assuming it was four times the normal power levels without this extra current.

  8. 11? by ryanvm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll bet this amp goes to 11.

    1. Re:11? by adrianbaugh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, they just made 10 louder ;-)

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  9. Re:current == power? by stinerman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure.

    I = V/R
    If R->0, I->INF.

    Its certainly possible.

  10. Picturing preliminary testing... by AndyChrist · · Score: 3, Funny

    A group of lab-coated engineers having a barbecue using a 48 million dollar grill.

  11. Black Mesa by Chairboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of interest, the testing work here in Nevada has been farmed out to a private corporation. We now call it the Black Mesa Research Facility. Dr. Freeman and I have just started working together, and we have a number of exciting experiments underway. This last one in the story just happened, and it was very...

    hold on, there's something moving out in the hallway, I've got to go check.

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  12. Exploding apples with capacitors by Cyclotron_Boy · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is a fun project. I was able to get about 18kA repeatably through a variety of objects from a small cap bank using low inductance leads and vacuum triggered spark gap. Lots of people do fun projects like this at home in their garages

    For example
    Bert Hickman's coin shrinking
    Thaltech's capacitor experiments
    Sam Barros's Power Labs page
    Bill Beaty's webpage
    and many others...

  13. Re:so that's what it was by interiot · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if a million tuna cans cried out, and then were silenced?

  14. Re:current == power? by InvalidError · · Score: 5, Informative

    From later in TFA: "During the few milionths of a second that it operates, Atlas generates electrical energy roughly four times the Earth's entire energy production."

    This is almost technically right except for "Atlas generates"... Atlas is only a huge capacitor bank, it does not magically "generate" energy, it only stores existing energy.

    Now, if worldwide production is something like 25GW and the pulse lasts 10us, we have 25GW * 4 * 10us = 1MJ, a balievable finite quantity.

  15. Power Calculation by superstick58 · · Score: 4, Informative
    If we consider the resistivity of Aluminum as 2.82x10^-8 Ohm-meters and the dimension of a soup can is .2159m length by .0889m diameter, we can calculate the approximate resistance of the aluminum and therefore the power.

    resistance = resistivity*length/area

    It turns out that the resistance is near 1 ohm at .981 Ohms. This means that the power would be found with the following equation.

    P = I^2*R

    Therefore we can estimate the total power to be a huuuuuge amount, 354.14x10^12 Watts.

    1. Re:Power Calculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      I also forgot some decimal places in my previous equation

      You work for NASA, right?

  16. 19 million Amperes is chicken feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    My home electric stove+oven has 2x 50A circuit breakers; my electric water heater, 2x 40A; my electric clothes dryer, 2x 30A (all 230V service in US). There are at least 15 million houses in the US with similar electrical service. Some industrial plating baths use 6000 Amperes at less than 3V. So 19 million amps is a serious underestimate of the current being used in the world.

  17. MOD PARENT UP by rco3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, people. Is there anyone on the /. editorial staff who can do basic math?

    There are easily 19 million electrical service drops in the U.S. alone, counting homes and businesses and such, and I'll bet each and every single one of them uses more than one ampere ALL THE TIME.

    Who lets this crap through, anyway?

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