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10 Technologies MIA

Fantasy Football writes "CNet lists ten technologies they miss, which includes Napster, the originial Palm Pilot, good keyboards, and more. From the article: 'Technology evolves. Good technologies and products usually survive; poor ones usually go extinct. But not all of the technologies and tech products that have swirled down the drain of the tech gene pool deserved their fate. Here are some big, and some small, ideas that we thought we'd have with us forever, but that unfortunately have gone the way of the dodo.'"

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  1. Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nothing to see here move along

  2. now before anyone gets started by thegoogler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    i dont get all the love for kozmo, its like saying "and i want a perpeptual motion machine that makes infinite money too!, AND A PONEY."

    there buisness model was fatally flawed, they didnt make any proffit because they basically sold everything at what it cost them, and didnt charge shipping.

    1. Re:now before anyone gets started by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't get what's to like about a company that sold everything at cost and didn't charge for shipping?

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    2. Re:now before anyone gets started by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The love for Kosmo is an irrational one -- there's no possible way anybody could ever make money providing a service such as Kosmo's (as it was implemented, anyway


      So, it's irrational to love something if that something can't make any money? If Kosmo was profitable, then it would be OK to love it, but since it was not, loving it would be "irrational"? Is our liking or disliking some company somehow tied to that company's profit-margin?

      If someone started giving away free cars to everyone, would you NOT love it? I mean, the person giving those cars away wouldn't be making any profit from it.
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    3. Re:now before anyone gets started by sickofthisshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "irrationality" of the belief is not a statement about profit per se. The context is a social one, in which by using a service, the consumer wants to make a fair exchange, not exploit someone's generosity in an unsustainable way. Essentially, one has to force oneself to ignore the fact that "hey, no shipping!" is too good to be true.

      It is easier for me to "love" consuming something that a faceless corporation wishes to dispense below cost, but if a human delivery guy is bringing something to my door, I get uncomfortable if I believe that he is working himself into bankruptcy.

      Do you "love" it when someone gives you back too much change by mistake?

    4. Re:now before anyone gets started by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you even know what an arcology is? It's essentially a city in a very large building, including all the things you might expect in a medium sized city - housing, places to shop, grocery stores, hospitals, a police station, gyms, businesses, restaurants, movie theatres, churches, parks (on the roof), industry, a jail, etc.

      As far as I know, no arcologies have been built. About the closest thing I can think of is some larger "assisted living" homes for seniors, which have their own church, convience store, food store, resaurant/cafeteria, gym, pharmacy, etc. all in one building.

  3. Space travel - no kidding by starseeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Space is essentially the only frontier we have left, and I think humanity needs a frontier. The Earth is fully populated now, in the sense that only the very remotest regions remain unexplored and all regions are claimed.

    Practical is good and all, but if we wait until we solve all our problems here on Earth first we'll be stuck on this dirtball until the sun hits Red Giant phase. Human nature being what it is.

    I say Let's Get Out There! Now! It pushes limits, it's positive, and it pushes technology. Sounds good to me! May China can provoke another space race - I sure hope so. One-upmanship seems to be the only real way to get any serious funding :-(.

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    1. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Space is essentially the only frontier we have left...

      The only external one, perhaps. The truly greatest frontier still wide open is the human mind. Going to Mars is a parlor trick compared to trying to figure out the intricacies of the brain. And there are more human benefits to it as well. Exploration of outer spaces is probably just a way to avoid exploration of the truly terrifying inner spaces. But that's human nature I guess. The answer is always "out there" somewhere.

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    2. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Solra+Bizna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > If the population of the earth keeps growing we won't
      > have enough resources to maintain our current level of
      > living conditions.

      I told that to my family. They basically said "God will take care of everything for us." *sigh*

      Even if I were religious, I would be of the attitude that God helps those who help themselves. Blindly trusting God to solve all of our problems isn't a good idea.

      Commence flamewar.

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    3. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Zaffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Space is essentially the only frontier we have left, and I think humanity needs a frontier. The Earth is fully populated now, in the sense that only the very remotest regions remain unexplored and all regions are claimed.

      You must be kidding! There is a vast expanse that has only been touch upon, only a bit more than space itself. Undersea oceans and ocean floors. These vast, and relativily unexplored plains offer mountains and valleys that you only ever see on other planets.

      The technology to truely explore them is perhaps even more difficult that space, and its in our own backyard.

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    4. Re:Space travel - no kidding by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Space is essentially the only frontier we have left, and I think humanity needs a frontier.

      How about the deep sea? We haven't explored most of it... and it's practically in our backyard. Where are our Abyss-like underwater research labs, underwater homes, etc.? How many species of ocean life are we totally unaware of?

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    5. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can sum up your two options right now

      There are many more choices than that, simply do to the fact you've made them ridiculously simplistic. Here's another huge broad choice: it's not my choice to make! If people want to move off the planet, more power to them! This isn't a "what, me worry" answer, it's an answer that says I'm not going to be a tyrant and impose my opinions upon others. Personally I am against the government space monopoly, but that doesn't mean I am against space exploration. Quite the opposite.

      In addition, your alternative to expansion is incomplete as well. It assumes only tyranny or anarchy can control populations. But there's an alternative even you touch upon: if rich people breed less than poor people, let's get rid of poverty.

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    6. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While the Earth still has a positive growth rate, that rate has been in decline ever since a certain piece of trash called "The Population Bomb" hit the shelves.


      Hmm, I guess people read it and realized they'd better stop having so many kids? ;^)


      I find it rather interesting that people who still complain about Earth being "overpopulated" fail to mention the declining growth rate.


      That's a bit of a non-sequiter, isn't it? If the Earth is overpopulated, even a zero growth rate wouldn't change that fact. You'd need a negative growth rate in order to shrink the population back to less than the maximum sustainable size. (As to what that size actually is, I won't try to guess, but I do note that fish populations are declining drastically and that many species are becoming extinct in a short period of time. To me, that suggests that we are already past that point)

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    7. Re:Space travel - no kidding by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a bit of a non-sequiter, isn't it? If the Earth is overpopulated, even a zero growth rate wouldn't change that fact.

      What the alarmists fail to acknowledge is that they don't get to decide at what point the Earth is "overpopulated". I don't think the Earth is overpopulated at the moment, nor will it be if we reach eight billion. My opinion is just as valid (or invalid) as any alarmist figure.

      You'd need a negative growth rate in order to shrink the population back to less than the maximum sustainable size.

      Every single analysis of 'sustainability' by the folks preaching doom and gloom over the Earth's carrying capacity assumes that *technology will never advance beyond what we have now*. It's not only stupid to think such a thing, it's deliberately deceptive. Not that this is a new development among the population control advocates - they've been doing the exact same thing since the beginning of the 20th century! And they've been absolutely, one-hundred percent, dead wrong.

      Based on their complete and utter failure to accurate predict anything when it comes to population and resource development, much less technological innovation, I see no reason to heed the alarmists now any more than I should if the year were 1900.

      Max

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    8. Re:Space travel - no kidding by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you say that "no significant portion of the population will ever move off-world"?

      Because there are no other habitable worlds in the Solar System. It will always be incredibly expensive to house and sustain human life off-planet compared to housing and sustaining human life on Earth. It makes no economic sense whatsoever to make an investment of this nature; the only people you'll ever want to move off-planet are the absolute minimum required to exploit the resources in specific places (e.g., the asteroid belt).

      Max

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    9. Re:Space travel - no kidding by RFC959 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The problem is that the claim that we're "exhausting the earth's resources" is being thrown around with no supporting evidence. If we're "exhausting the earth's resources", why are the vast majority of natural resources cheaper now than they've ever been? You'd think that the price of resources might go up as they got exhausted and the population kept increasing (unless you just don't believe in supply/demand at all) but this isn't happening, and it isn't happening at the same time people's lives are improving in measurable ways (longevity, infant mortality, and yes, wealth) pretty much everywhere.


      What changes the rules of the game so dramatically is that humans and their resource usage aren't set in stone. 200 years ago whale oil was an important resource; today it's pretty much irrelevant. 100 years ago uranium was only a geological curiosity; today it's highly important. We don't know what will change in the future, but the only safe prediction is that things will continue to change. The assertion that the Earth "can't support this population" is a pretty strong one which needs some evidence, which we're not seeing.

    10. Re:Space travel - no kidding by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The truly greatest frontier still wide open is the human mind.

      You took the words right out of my mouth. It isn't just the brain -- it's the brain's emergent properties, and the emergent properties of gathering so many brains together that are poorly understood.

      A lot depends, I guess, on what you insist should be taken as given. To some people questions like, "How did the planets form?" and "How did life arise?", and "is there other intelligent life out there?" are not only uninteresting, but are positiviely frivolous.They have answers that they find perfectly satisfactory: "God made them out of nothing." "God breathed life into inanimate matter." and "No." Most of us here, no matter what our metaphysical opinions are, can agree that these are not satisfactory answers at all, and that the only people who would find them so are people who are afraid of having their assumptions challenged.

      It seems to me that there are some fundamental questions about the human condition that don't have empirically validated answers, one of which is this: "How can we be happy?" We can't look to psychology for the answer, because psychology is obsessed with unhappiness, which is a much easier thing. It's the difference between asking "What words have the letter 'Q' and all five vowels in sequence?" and "What words don't have the letter 'Q' or all five vowels in sequence?" One question hard and may not even have an answer, the other is easy.

      It seems to me the question of happiness is one that is worth examining scientifically. But I also think there is a bias towards labelling this sort of thing as either frivolous or inherently subjective -- for the same reason a Fundamentalist might be inclined to dismiss research in xenobiology or evolution. Any of our assumption we put outside the realm of empirical research is an assumption which cannot be challenged. Every important decision we make in life is based on an assumption about what will make us happy: what school we go to, what profession we enter, who we marry, how we priortize our life, even our politics. It takes more guts than most of us have to consider that our decisions might be challenged on an objective basis.

      I'm for space exploration. I'm not as enthusiastic for manned exploration, or at least manned exploration at the expense of overall exploratory progress, but I see a value to it. This is because my personal bias is that the pursuit of knowledge, and more fundamentally struggling to extend ourselves beyond our present limitations, is an element in a purposeful, well lived life. But I can't prove it to anybody. Nobody can prove anything of that nature, because we have no reliable evidence other than our personal experiences, and until we rid ourselves of the superstition that the human mind can't be explored we won't have any.

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  4. Huh? by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    the last people to explore the final frontier are past retirement age--and so are the engineers who put them there. In other words, next time we go into space, we're going to have to retrain people from scratch. There may be no firsthand knowledge of what it's like to be in space or to build a space vehicle


    Not to be a curmudgeon, but there is a Space Shuttle in orbit as I type this text. I'm pretty sure its occupants know "what it's like to be in space".


    OTOH, I think manned space travel is going to remain an expensive novelty until we can massively improve our dollars-per-kilogram-to-orbit. And that will require either some revolutionary breakthrough in rocket science (doubtful), or a space elevator or some other alternative means of getting mass to orbit. Until one of those things happens, unmanned probes and more basic research on the "get mass out of Earth's gravity well" problem are the smart way to go.

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  5. I miss word processors... by confused+philosopher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That can start in under 2 seconds. I don't see why current word processors like Open Office and Word need 30 seconds to load, when all they are doing is taking input from the keyboard 90% of the time. Why can't they load a simple screen and then fill in the rest behind the scenes later so you can start typing when you open the darn program, and not a minute later? It makes no sense. People are going to start to wonder why we don't use PAPER for writing anymore.

    Speaking of paper, there's another technology I'll miss, especially in the bathroom, unless they get something better.

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  6. Technology lost by Z00L00K · · Score: 1, Insightful
    is the art of efficient programming. Today we are running multi-core with gigahertz but the same task takes still about the same time to perform as when we were running the 3MHz Z80-processor with 32k RAM in the beginning of the 80's.

    What we need today is not another version of Windows needing even more computer resources, what we need today is a safer computer environment.

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    1. Re:Technology lost by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Take a 300k Autocad drawing of a house with detail plans and open it on a 386 and take the same drawing and open it on a 3.2 GHz P4.

      Tell me the redraw times are the same.

  7. Internet... by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... as in:
    * Spamless Internet
    * Virusless Internet
    * Popupless Internet
    * Bannerless Internet
    * etcless Internet

    Of course that the net has evolved, and a lot, but sometimes one miss those old days when your mail were mail, when browsing pages retrieved almost only the content you wanted, and even the pages were really static, without things popping up, moving, blinking or weighting far more than the useful content of what you really want to read.

  8. Re:It's all about the batteries by ldspartan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you just completely ignore the cost of the energy to charge it, huh? Must be nice doing that...

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  9. durable goods by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Or rather, why won't anyone MAKE durable goods?
    Because, for the most part, a consumer can't tell the difference between a durable product and a non-durable product until well after they've bought it. See The Market for Lemons and/or for some insight into what happens to a market when buyers can't distinguish between high and low quality products.
  10. Re:My take on these 10 by adrianmonk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    LPs
    This will continue to be a niche format. CDs provide the same quality sound playback for the human-audible range of sound.

    Actually, they provide better quality playback for the human-audible range, because they have much lower noise.

    I imagine that it might be useful if you were a dog and had to listen to ultrasonic music, otherwise... not useful.

    While it's true that CDs cut off sharply above 20 kHz and thus can't produce ultrasonics at all, it's a misconception that LPs don't also have high frequency limitations. It's tempting to believe that, because they're analog, they are producing the sound with infinite detail, but it's just not true: the higher frequency sounds require smaller features in the groove, and those small pieces are easy to wear off. After a few playings, ultrasonics, if they ever were present on the LP in the first place, are gone because the ridges that correspond to the ultrasonic frequencies are just too tiny (and therefore thin and weak) to stand up to the stress of colliding with the needle. It's much the same as the concept of keeping a really fine edge on a knife -- the finer it is, the sharper it is, but as you get finer and finer, the faster you lose the fineness of the edge you've put on there.

    The bottom line is that CDs have LPs beat in the area of signal-to-noise ratio and they also have them beat in frequency response. While it is possible to hear the difference between LPs and CDs (because they each introduce their own kinds of distortions), it is tough to make an argument that LPs are superior unless it's based on a personal preferences for the distortions you can hear.

  11. Re:Keyboard by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those guys bought the design from IBM and still produce it in the USA.

    Ah, the only patent a big software co. actually *deserves* a royalty for.

  12. LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having grown up in the LP era and spent large amounts of hard-earned lawn mowing and snow-shovelling money on them, I can honestly say about them "Good Riddance!".

        They are primitive sound technology. They are expensive, fragile, and don't sound good. You can always tell an MP3 file of an old 60's pop song made from an LP as opposed to one ripped from a CD. The fidelity is just not there.

        An LP held 45 minutes of music for most of its life and about 60 minutes at its most advanced. It cost about $20 (in today's US dollars). Now a blank DVD ROM holds about 4000 minutes in high-quality MP3 or OGG files and sells for $0.39 (in today's US dollars). An exact copy of this set of 4500 minutes can be made on another 39 cent blank disk in about 15 minutes. And you can control which selections will be copied and the order.

        To get ultra high fidelity audio from LPs requires thousands of dollars of precision equipment, very fragile and sensitive to the local room conditions. To get the same fidelity from high quality 320kbps MP3 and OGG files takes a $59 player. And it even puts out this high fidelity sound when you are running with it.

        And some silly people want to go back to LP?

    1. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by jdonnis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Try listening to a 10 year old mildly scratched LP.
      Then try listening to a 10 year old mildly scratched CD.

      The first will be tolerable, the second will drive you to murder.

    2. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a lot of nostalgia for vinyl - partly because you did have to care for the discs, which meant the pop stars you worshiped as a teenager had their own little audio shrine in your house, but mostly because you got at least 2 square feet of artwork on the sleeves. A band can't fit much of an 'image' on a CD inlay, so image-building has to be done by video, which places too much emphasis on the looks of the perfomers. Ulgy musicians can't be effortlessly cool anymore.

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    3. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, are you kidding me? I have a lot of mildly scratched CDs, they all work just fine. Now I have some severely scratched ones that have problems but guess what? A severly scratched record is worse, hell it often won't even track. Further, the CDs are fixable. There's a shop here that for abut a dollar will resurface a CD. Basically they just grind it down to get rid fo the scratches and then polish it smooth. Works great. Limited amount of times out can do it, of course, but you can't do that with LP.

      Tehn of course there's the real beauty of digital: I can just copy it. Really, I don't worry about my CD collection anymore. I get a CD, I rip it to my computer, I put the CD in my closet. The copy on my system is bit-accurate, no loss in wuality at all. I can keep doing this two, from one drive to another, one format to another. Should I choose to keep it up I can have a perfect copy 80 years from now, not a single bit of degradation.

      Sorry, but digital wins out hands down. Consumer grade digital (as in CD) is easily as good as even very good vinyl. Professional grade digital will just slam any LP, even a system at a much greater price.

    4. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by sita · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An LP held 45 minutes of music for most of its life and about 60 minutes at its most advanced. It cost about $20 (in today's US dollars). Now a blank DVD ROM holds about 4000 minutes in high-quality MP3 or OGG files and sells for $0.39 (in today's US dollars). An exact copy of this set of 4500 minutes can be made on another 39 cent blank disk in about 15 minutes. And you can control which selections will be copied and the order.

      And yet, none of the reduction in the price of production of a record shows up in the price to customer.

    5. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolute codswallop, "thousands of dollars of precision equipment".

      For 200 quid (GBP) you can buy a decent turntable and probably a good stylus as well.

      Adjust your stylus and keep your records clean (the first should be easy for the average geek, the second might be slightly harder) and fidelity is superior to anything digital (and that includes the new high-end digital formats like DVD-audio according to tests in Hi-Fi Choice).

      There are things on "Dark Side of the Moon" LP (analog recording!) which I cannot even hear on my CD copy ... The only thing CDs do better is reproducing silence (a bunch of zeros is not that hard to do), but when it comes to producing sound analog is still the best. Don't mistake abscence of crackles for great sound ...

      I am sick of people who listen to their music through computer speakers and tinny MP3 players having opinions about analog.

      If you think spending 40 quid on a good soundcard and another 40 quid for some "good speakers for my PC" is what fidelity is about then you need to have your hearing checked out.

    6. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am sick of idiots who wouldn't recognize the engineering principles behind digital audio if they were clubbed senseless with rolled up copies of Shannon and Nyquist's seminal papers telling me that LP analog recordings are always better than digital.

      Forget about DVD-Audio. Simple 16-bit 44.1 KHz recordings (CD-Audio) are vastly superior to LP in every known aspect of sonic reproduction. And I do mean "vastly". There simply isn't any contest. Signal-to-noise ratio? Useful bandwidth? Wow/flutter? Channel separation? All horrible on LP. All excellent on CD-Audio.

      Yeah, CD does reproduce silence better. That's because the horrible surface noise of LP prevents it from even representing silence -- no matter what, you always have some white noise. Goodbye quiet passages.

      It also reproduces everything else better. The measurements and blind testing don't lie.

      Real geeks pay attention to science and engineering, not the modern brand of audiophilia which would have us throw away all the advances of the past several decades and return to primitive and inferior equipment.

    7. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And some silly people want to go back to LP?

      Some people should definately invest in digital filters, one for the sound distortion, the other to add the appropriate amount of snap, crackle and hiss. It's all about good memories, either dreaming back to when you were young or just dreaming that you've gone back in time to when the LPs were hot. Digital perfection is simply counterproductive to the immersion. It's not about perfect reproduction, but consistent reproduction with the past.

      That is why there is no charm in making modern music play as if they were on LP. They were never played that way, and it adds nothing to the feel of the music (unless you've grown so accustomed to it, that you find LP distortions preferable in all music). And hey, that's what the music is all about really, perfect reprodction is a means, not the end. That's something certain people don't seem to understand. Just don't claim it to be anything but what it is: a desired distortion.

      Kjella

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    8. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Phreakiture · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The first will be tolerable, the second will drive you to murder.

      It will drive you to mu-mu-mu-mu-mu-mu-mu *click* r-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de....

      :-)

      Seriously, though, the big thing that CD's did is equalize the market.

      A cheap CD player will do almost as good of a job at playing a CD as an expensive one will do. The incentive for going to a $1000 CD player versus a $30 CD player is a very small gain in sound quality. CD players also, essentially, require no maintenance, whereas you need to periodically change the stylus in a turntable.

      As for high-quality outputs, even if you have a $23 DVD player from Wal*Mart that you want to play CD's on, it will have an S/PDIF output on it.

      On the other hand, the granparent post said that LP's sound bad. No, they don't. LP's played on a cheap turntable sound bad.

      Play an LP on a feather-weight, belt-drive turntable with a straight tonearm and a stylus long overdue for replacement, and it will sound like crap.

      Play it on a direct-drive turntable with a heavy platter and an S-arm and a properly aligned, properly-maintained stylus, and it will sound quite good.

      Play it on a direct-drive turntable with good weight and good shock isolation and linear tracking, and it will sound fantastic.

      It will never sound like a CD. Only CD's sound like CD's. Whether you find you like the sound of vinyl better or worse than that of CD is subject to your listening tastes. I reject, however, the assertion that LP's sound bad.

      Incidentally, I use the second option listed above. I have a very good Technics S-arm turntable that is about 20 years old. I do have to periodically replace the stylus, something that is often missed by folks who don't understand vinyl. Even so, it sounds great despite its age.

      I think you would be very hard-pressed to find a 20-year-old CD player that still works, never mind works well. Also, if my turntable breaks, I can fix it, as I have done on one occasion. With a CD player, you replace it and the old one goes to the landfill.

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  13. Re:Keyboard by Markus+Landgren · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And the old Model M's are nice, but why get a decade old one, when for a reasonable price you can get a brand new one?

    Because the decade old one is as good as new and costs only 2 or 3 dollars?
  14. we are pushing limits by cahiha · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Have you been asleep for the last couple of decades? We are doing great things with space exploration: probes going to the outer reaches of the solar system, solar sails, new propulsion methods, hibernation, you name it, it's being worked on.

    However, sending human astronauts to Mars or even the moon at this point will just take funding away from important space related programs and delay meaningful manned space travel by decades.

  15. Other alternaltives by XNormal · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I prefer to put it another way. If you're not for space exploration they you must be for a conservation of resources.

    There are other alternatives. You can also be:
    • For short term profits. Period.
    • With no plans to have children
    • With plans to have children, but not care much about their future
    • Irrational.
    • I'm sure there's more.
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  16. Re:limit or be limited by pomo+monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you'll find that "famine, malnutrition, drought, disease, conflict" has historically been much more widespread than it is presently, even in sub-Saharan Africa--and this despite our ever-increasing population. How, then, is this an indication that technology hasn't boosted the sustainable population size?

  17. Reality check by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The point of my post was that the earth has limited resources and therefore cannot support the current or future world population at a standard of living that is acceptable."

    Ok, I'll bite. _Which_ resources doesn't it have enough to sustain an 8 billion population? Because it produces currently a surplus of food, has enough uranium for centuries, has iron under almost literally every hill or mountain, and it can synthetize fuel and plastics from any other source of energy (e.g., nuclear.) So _what_ materials do you absolutely need to bring from the moon?

    "For $20 billion the US could build a sustainable manned moon colony which could send down unthinkably large amounts of resources."

    "Unthinkably large" sounds cool, but:

    A) Exactly how much _is_ "unthinkably large"? More than the exact same money (including, salaries, supplies, shipping, etc) would get you from a mine on Earth? Enough to not be lost in the decimals, compared to what millions of people already extract on Earth?

    B) What's the price per ton to transport it, and to transport supplies back? There's a good reason why you get raw materials or oil imported by train or ship, not by airplane: cost per ton transported.

    "Of course, next you're gunna claim there are no resources on the moon and that the only way forward is to huddle in the dark as we use up all the resources on earth."

    Actually, next I'm gonna claim you need to read a book on economics. Might be a fascinating read.

    The question isn't just whether there are resources on the Moon worth getting, but whether it's cheaper to get them from there. That's how the economy still works here on Earth, I'm affraid.

    There's a lot of "plan B"s out there, that are perfectly feasible, but aren't done because "plan A" is still cheaper. E.g., why the USA prefers to import oil than to extract its own. Or for that matter than to synthesize it from coal, or to switch to hydrogen cars and nuclear power to produce the hydrogen, or whatever.

    If 20 billion USD was all it takes to bring a lot of cheap resources from the moon, that is, cheaper than you can get them on Earth, some corporation would already do that.

    But maybe we'll do something else first. Yours is not the only solution, but just one possible "plan B" in a list of _thousands_. Humanity has a _lot_ of already existing options before huddling in the dark or mass-murder, and more are already being researched. (Of course, it makes a better doomsday whine if you ignore them.)

    Which of them will be used next and when, will have to do with economics, not with what looks way cool to SF fanboys. _Maybe_ some day bringing iron ore from the moon will be cheaper than digging it from under a mountain on Earth. But maybe we'll just use plastics and composite materials produced with fusion power instead. Or maybe something else.

    When one such "plan B" becomes cheaper, or the current "plan A" becomes too expensive, we will know it, and do it then. That's how the economy works.

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  18. Keyboards by Remlik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keyboards have been my biggest complaint for many years. My home keyboard is one I got used off of and old Pentium 60 Zeos corp computer. Its AT, it has a full click in the keys (not quite as full as the classic IBM keyboards of old) and the larger enter key. For my needs this is the best keyboard out there. I type faster and with less mistakes.

    At work I have another AT style keyboard gotten from a garage sale for 2 bucks. It has 12 extra programable function keys, a build in calculator and of course the full click and larger enter key.

    A trip to my local Compusa shows me about 12 different keyboards and all of them suck with one exception. The exception is a keyboard with removed sidebar number pad in a metalic base (heavy, nice) and it is basically a notebook keyboard. Flat keys with a short throw click..it sells for $250 !!! One day it will be mine.

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  19. Re:My take on the list by MythMoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Concorde

    You can't really miss what even yourselves admit was out of reach to almost everyone. I don't seem to miss it at all. How do you miss something you never really had?


    I agree with their attitude in the article - this was something to aspire to. It was very expensive, but not so expensive that it was unimaginable as a once-in-a-lifetime possibility.

    I miss it for exactly that reason. Plus I used to work at Heathrow and have nostalgic memories of everyone checking their watches as the 11am BA001 flight roared past the window.

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  20. Re:Some technologies I miss by frankmu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i agree with audiogalaxy. an excellent service. i miss it greatly. recently tried iTunes, and was amazed at the lack of depth. the best thing about audiogalaxy was the detailed user reviews. it made me more informed with my CD purchases. i haven't bought a CD since it went down.

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  21. "Fidelity" is overrated by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you think spending 40 quid on a good soundcard and another 40 quid for some "good speakers for my PC" is what fidelity is about then you need to have your hearing checked out.

    And if you think "fidelity" is what music appreciation is about then you need to have your brain checked.

    Play me a good song, and I won't care whether it's a 96kbps MP3 stream or pristine vinyl on a $2000 turntable -- I'm going to enjoy it. Likewise, play me a bad song and I'm NOT going to enjoy it, irregardless of "fidelity".

  22. Re:So? by sketerpot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Too dangerous now, and you'd probably have to give the kids the car keys, unless you wanted them to spend three hours hiking to the nearest Kroger.

    With obesity problems nowadays, this might not be such a bad idea.