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10 Technologies MIA

Fantasy Football writes "CNet lists ten technologies they miss, which includes Napster, the originial Palm Pilot, good keyboards, and more. From the article: 'Technology evolves. Good technologies and products usually survive; poor ones usually go extinct. But not all of the technologies and tech products that have swirled down the drain of the tech gene pool deserved their fate. Here are some big, and some small, ideas that we thought we'd have with us forever, but that unfortunately have gone the way of the dodo.'"

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  1. now before anyone gets started by thegoogler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    i dont get all the love for kozmo, its like saying "and i want a perpeptual motion machine that makes infinite money too!, AND A PONEY."

    there buisness model was fatally flawed, they didnt make any proffit because they basically sold everything at what it cost them, and didnt charge shipping.

    1. Re:now before anyone gets started by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't get what's to like about a company that sold everything at cost and didn't charge for shipping?

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    2. Re:now before anyone gets started by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The love for Kosmo is an irrational one -- there's no possible way anybody could ever make money providing a service such as Kosmo's (as it was implemented, anyway


      So, it's irrational to love something if that something can't make any money? If Kosmo was profitable, then it would be OK to love it, but since it was not, loving it would be "irrational"? Is our liking or disliking some company somehow tied to that company's profit-margin?

      If someone started giving away free cars to everyone, would you NOT love it? I mean, the person giving those cars away wouldn't be making any profit from it.
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    3. Re:now before anyone gets started by sickofthisshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "irrationality" of the belief is not a statement about profit per se. The context is a social one, in which by using a service, the consumer wants to make a fair exchange, not exploit someone's generosity in an unsustainable way. Essentially, one has to force oneself to ignore the fact that "hey, no shipping!" is too good to be true.

      It is easier for me to "love" consuming something that a faceless corporation wishes to dispense below cost, but if a human delivery guy is bringing something to my door, I get uncomfortable if I believe that he is working himself into bankruptcy.

      Do you "love" it when someone gives you back too much change by mistake?

  2. Space travel - no kidding by starseeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Space is essentially the only frontier we have left, and I think humanity needs a frontier. The Earth is fully populated now, in the sense that only the very remotest regions remain unexplored and all regions are claimed.

    Practical is good and all, but if we wait until we solve all our problems here on Earth first we'll be stuck on this dirtball until the sun hits Red Giant phase. Human nature being what it is.

    I say Let's Get Out There! Now! It pushes limits, it's positive, and it pushes technology. Sounds good to me! May China can provoke another space race - I sure hope so. One-upmanship seems to be the only real way to get any serious funding :-(.

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    1. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Zaffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Space is essentially the only frontier we have left, and I think humanity needs a frontier. The Earth is fully populated now, in the sense that only the very remotest regions remain unexplored and all regions are claimed.

      You must be kidding! There is a vast expanse that has only been touch upon, only a bit more than space itself. Undersea oceans and ocean floors. These vast, and relativily unexplored plains offer mountains and valleys that you only ever see on other planets.

      The technology to truely explore them is perhaps even more difficult that space, and its in our own backyard.

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    2. Re:Space travel - no kidding by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can sum up your two options right now

      There are many more choices than that, simply do to the fact you've made them ridiculously simplistic. Here's another huge broad choice: it's not my choice to make! If people want to move off the planet, more power to them! This isn't a "what, me worry" answer, it's an answer that says I'm not going to be a tyrant and impose my opinions upon others. Personally I am against the government space monopoly, but that doesn't mean I am against space exploration. Quite the opposite.

      In addition, your alternative to expansion is incomplete as well. It assumes only tyranny or anarchy can control populations. But there's an alternative even you touch upon: if rich people breed less than poor people, let's get rid of poverty.

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    3. Re:Space travel - no kidding by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a bit of a non-sequiter, isn't it? If the Earth is overpopulated, even a zero growth rate wouldn't change that fact.

      What the alarmists fail to acknowledge is that they don't get to decide at what point the Earth is "overpopulated". I don't think the Earth is overpopulated at the moment, nor will it be if we reach eight billion. My opinion is just as valid (or invalid) as any alarmist figure.

      You'd need a negative growth rate in order to shrink the population back to less than the maximum sustainable size.

      Every single analysis of 'sustainability' by the folks preaching doom and gloom over the Earth's carrying capacity assumes that *technology will never advance beyond what we have now*. It's not only stupid to think such a thing, it's deliberately deceptive. Not that this is a new development among the population control advocates - they've been doing the exact same thing since the beginning of the 20th century! And they've been absolutely, one-hundred percent, dead wrong.

      Based on their complete and utter failure to accurate predict anything when it comes to population and resource development, much less technological innovation, I see no reason to heed the alarmists now any more than I should if the year were 1900.

      Max

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  3. Internet... by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... as in:
    * Spamless Internet
    * Virusless Internet
    * Popupless Internet
    * Bannerless Internet
    * etcless Internet

    Of course that the net has evolved, and a lot, but sometimes one miss those old days when your mail were mail, when browsing pages retrieved almost only the content you wanted, and even the pages were really static, without things popping up, moving, blinking or weighting far more than the useful content of what you really want to read.

  4. Re:My take on these 10 by adrianmonk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    LPs
    This will continue to be a niche format. CDs provide the same quality sound playback for the human-audible range of sound.

    Actually, they provide better quality playback for the human-audible range, because they have much lower noise.

    I imagine that it might be useful if you were a dog and had to listen to ultrasonic music, otherwise... not useful.

    While it's true that CDs cut off sharply above 20 kHz and thus can't produce ultrasonics at all, it's a misconception that LPs don't also have high frequency limitations. It's tempting to believe that, because they're analog, they are producing the sound with infinite detail, but it's just not true: the higher frequency sounds require smaller features in the groove, and those small pieces are easy to wear off. After a few playings, ultrasonics, if they ever were present on the LP in the first place, are gone because the ridges that correspond to the ultrasonic frequencies are just too tiny (and therefore thin and weak) to stand up to the stress of colliding with the needle. It's much the same as the concept of keeping a really fine edge on a knife -- the finer it is, the sharper it is, but as you get finer and finer, the faster you lose the fineness of the edge you've put on there.

    The bottom line is that CDs have LPs beat in the area of signal-to-noise ratio and they also have them beat in frequency response. While it is possible to hear the difference between LPs and CDs (because they each introduce their own kinds of distortions), it is tough to make an argument that LPs are superior unless it's based on a personal preferences for the distortions you can hear.

  5. LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having grown up in the LP era and spent large amounts of hard-earned lawn mowing and snow-shovelling money on them, I can honestly say about them "Good Riddance!".

        They are primitive sound technology. They are expensive, fragile, and don't sound good. You can always tell an MP3 file of an old 60's pop song made from an LP as opposed to one ripped from a CD. The fidelity is just not there.

        An LP held 45 minutes of music for most of its life and about 60 minutes at its most advanced. It cost about $20 (in today's US dollars). Now a blank DVD ROM holds about 4000 minutes in high-quality MP3 or OGG files and sells for $0.39 (in today's US dollars). An exact copy of this set of 4500 minutes can be made on another 39 cent blank disk in about 15 minutes. And you can control which selections will be copied and the order.

        To get ultra high fidelity audio from LPs requires thousands of dollars of precision equipment, very fragile and sensitive to the local room conditions. To get the same fidelity from high quality 320kbps MP3 and OGG files takes a $59 player. And it even puts out this high fidelity sound when you are running with it.

        And some silly people want to go back to LP?

    1. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by jdonnis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Try listening to a 10 year old mildly scratched LP.
      Then try listening to a 10 year old mildly scratched CD.

      The first will be tolerable, the second will drive you to murder.

    2. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a lot of nostalgia for vinyl - partly because you did have to care for the discs, which meant the pop stars you worshiped as a teenager had their own little audio shrine in your house, but mostly because you got at least 2 square feet of artwork on the sleeves. A band can't fit much of an 'image' on a CD inlay, so image-building has to be done by video, which places too much emphasis on the looks of the perfomers. Ulgy musicians can't be effortlessly cool anymore.

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    3. Re:LP's ??? You must be kidding.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolute codswallop, "thousands of dollars of precision equipment".

      For 200 quid (GBP) you can buy a decent turntable and probably a good stylus as well.

      Adjust your stylus and keep your records clean (the first should be easy for the average geek, the second might be slightly harder) and fidelity is superior to anything digital (and that includes the new high-end digital formats like DVD-audio according to tests in Hi-Fi Choice).

      There are things on "Dark Side of the Moon" LP (analog recording!) which I cannot even hear on my CD copy ... The only thing CDs do better is reproducing silence (a bunch of zeros is not that hard to do), but when it comes to producing sound analog is still the best. Don't mistake abscence of crackles for great sound ...

      I am sick of people who listen to their music through computer speakers and tinny MP3 players having opinions about analog.

      If you think spending 40 quid on a good soundcard and another 40 quid for some "good speakers for my PC" is what fidelity is about then you need to have your hearing checked out.

  6. Re:Keyboard by Markus+Landgren · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And the old Model M's are nice, but why get a decade old one, when for a reasonable price you can get a brand new one?

    Because the decade old one is as good as new and costs only 2 or 3 dollars?
  7. Re:limit or be limited by pomo+monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you'll find that "famine, malnutrition, drought, disease, conflict" has historically been much more widespread than it is presently, even in sub-Saharan Africa--and this despite our ever-increasing population. How, then, is this an indication that technology hasn't boosted the sustainable population size?

  8. Reality check by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The point of my post was that the earth has limited resources and therefore cannot support the current or future world population at a standard of living that is acceptable."

    Ok, I'll bite. _Which_ resources doesn't it have enough to sustain an 8 billion population? Because it produces currently a surplus of food, has enough uranium for centuries, has iron under almost literally every hill or mountain, and it can synthetize fuel and plastics from any other source of energy (e.g., nuclear.) So _what_ materials do you absolutely need to bring from the moon?

    "For $20 billion the US could build a sustainable manned moon colony which could send down unthinkably large amounts of resources."

    "Unthinkably large" sounds cool, but:

    A) Exactly how much _is_ "unthinkably large"? More than the exact same money (including, salaries, supplies, shipping, etc) would get you from a mine on Earth? Enough to not be lost in the decimals, compared to what millions of people already extract on Earth?

    B) What's the price per ton to transport it, and to transport supplies back? There's a good reason why you get raw materials or oil imported by train or ship, not by airplane: cost per ton transported.

    "Of course, next you're gunna claim there are no resources on the moon and that the only way forward is to huddle in the dark as we use up all the resources on earth."

    Actually, next I'm gonna claim you need to read a book on economics. Might be a fascinating read.

    The question isn't just whether there are resources on the Moon worth getting, but whether it's cheaper to get them from there. That's how the economy still works here on Earth, I'm affraid.

    There's a lot of "plan B"s out there, that are perfectly feasible, but aren't done because "plan A" is still cheaper. E.g., why the USA prefers to import oil than to extract its own. Or for that matter than to synthesize it from coal, or to switch to hydrogen cars and nuclear power to produce the hydrogen, or whatever.

    If 20 billion USD was all it takes to bring a lot of cheap resources from the moon, that is, cheaper than you can get them on Earth, some corporation would already do that.

    But maybe we'll do something else first. Yours is not the only solution, but just one possible "plan B" in a list of _thousands_. Humanity has a _lot_ of already existing options before huddling in the dark or mass-murder, and more are already being researched. (Of course, it makes a better doomsday whine if you ignore them.)

    Which of them will be used next and when, will have to do with economics, not with what looks way cool to SF fanboys. _Maybe_ some day bringing iron ore from the moon will be cheaper than digging it from under a mountain on Earth. But maybe we'll just use plastics and composite materials produced with fusion power instead. Or maybe something else.

    When one such "plan B" becomes cheaper, or the current "plan A" becomes too expensive, we will know it, and do it then. That's how the economy works.

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  9. Re:My take on the list by MythMoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Concorde

    You can't really miss what even yourselves admit was out of reach to almost everyone. I don't seem to miss it at all. How do you miss something you never really had?


    I agree with their attitude in the article - this was something to aspire to. It was very expensive, but not so expensive that it was unimaginable as a once-in-a-lifetime possibility.

    I miss it for exactly that reason. Plus I used to work at Heathrow and have nostalgic memories of everyone checking their watches as the 11am BA001 flight roared past the window.

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  10. "Fidelity" is overrated by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you think spending 40 quid on a good soundcard and another 40 quid for some "good speakers for my PC" is what fidelity is about then you need to have your hearing checked out.

    And if you think "fidelity" is what music appreciation is about then you need to have your brain checked.

    Play me a good song, and I won't care whether it's a 96kbps MP3 stream or pristine vinyl on a $2000 turntable -- I'm going to enjoy it. Likewise, play me a bad song and I'm NOT going to enjoy it, irregardless of "fidelity".

  11. Re:So? by sketerpot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Too dangerous now, and you'd probably have to give the kids the car keys, unless you wanted them to spend three hours hiking to the nearest Kroger.

    With obesity problems nowadays, this might not be such a bad idea.