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Lik-Sang.com Taken to Court By Sony

Joe writes "As published on Lik-Sang's Website Sony has taken legal actions against Hong Kong's largest exporter of videogames and videogaming gear. One month before the official european launch and 9 months after the initial release of the PSP, this action looks very late at first sight. Since it's highly doubtful that Sony can permit the resale of the japanese PSP consoles in Hong Kong no matter if on the local market or for export, it looks like this is planned to be one of the not the bright marketing ideas of the Sony HQ. The japanese PSP has the same Region Code for UMDs as the ones which will be sold in europe in september. Since the shipping at Lik-Sang is free, the console is even cheaper to import than to buy it locally."

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  1. Cheaper? by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd comment but I need to go buy a PSP now

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    1. Re:Cheaper? by NiteHaqr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Already done, and from Lik-Sang a few months ago.

      And its Firmware version 1.50.

      Will probably get another one from them when the white ones come out - then I can still do my SNES/Genesis emulation, as well as coding my own stuff as well as having all the cool new features.

      Its a pity really, as Sony would earn so much respect by allowing programmers to sign their own code - why cant they come up with a way of doing it that only works on files of say 200MB or less, thus allowinf homebrew, surely they could make it as a loader library, and have it flash up a "This Software is not made or checked by Sony, Use is at your own risk".

    2. Re:Cheaper? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Allowing homebrew to run will not kill them, as what I am proposing would not allow dumped UMD images to run, only people's own code."
      No, it wouldn't "kill" Sony. [Why are we using language like that to discuss this matter anyway?] Allowing homebrew software to run unsigned would add competition to the marketplace, which is something that developers for the PSP would not appreciate. Sony doesn't want homebrew games being released to keep developers happy and because it generates no income for them.
    3. Re:Cheaper? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its a pity really, as Sony would earn so much respect by allowing programmers to sign their own code

      Given the choice between earning respect and earning revenue, I'm pretty sure I know which one Sony would rather have.

  2. Largest exporter of video games? by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sony has taken legal actions against Hong Kong's largest exporter of videogames and videogaming gear

    This guy?

  3. Region codes by confusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those region codes are SO convenient for consumers. I just LOVE travelling abroad and not being able to watch my dvds. I shouldn't be suprised that SONY would think to do this with UMD too. bah.

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    1. Re:Region codes by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yeah, it sucks.

      You can imagine my surprise when after reading all the crap about PSP games not being region encoded, then when UMD movies are finally available I can't play them.

      I got my PSP the first week of January. Imported from japan. It's nice that the Japanese PSPs can play US games and vice versa, and not that I would buy them if I could, but it sucks that I can't watch US UMD movies on my japanese PSP.

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    2. Re:Region codes by Forzamilan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are totally right, region codes sucks and are an obsolete technology from the 80s when nintendo used it on their NES. Why do we have to buy another movie in region 4 when i already have it in region 1?

    3. Re:Region codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are totally right, region codes sucks and are an obsolete technology from the 80s when nintendo used it on their NES.

      Uh, what? They still perform a business function. How are they obsolete?

      Why do we have to buy another movie in region 4 when i already have it in region 1?

      Because different corporations own the rights to sell the movie in different parts of the world and the region code scheme enforces that. Look on your R1 DVD - it'll say "not for resale outside the US and Canada" or similar. If you are from the US and bought it legally there, you'll have an R1 player, right?

      The world isn't a single global market - yet.

    4. Re:Region Codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For the same reasons they don't speak out against all the other obstructions of free trade?

      If you're going to get upset about the lack of free trade, I suggest you concentrate your efforts in areas like agriculture, raw materials and the draconian so called free trade agreements the West is making with Africa, South America and parts of Asia, rather than whine about how you have to spend more of your allowence to play games or movies.

    5. Re:Region codes by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the idea behind UMD movies is pretty cool.

      however, the implementation BLOWS.

      a UMD movie has less features and less quality than a DVD... why does it cost at least as much as one? UMD movies should be free in boxes of cereal. They should come with games. they should come with DVDs. They should cost less than a pack of cigarettes (I live in NY, so a pack of cigarettes costs upwards of 7-8$).

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    6. Re:Region codes by mad+flyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes sir, it says not for resale.

      It don't forbid me to possess it and leave for another country.

      They should enforce the selling part, not the viewing part.

      By doing region coding they alienate the end user in order to try to conceal the sellers... As usual, customers are collateral damages...

  4. Sony has officially gone bananas. by Willeh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Or some other type of fruit. First we have the whole dead pixel on psp debate, then the whole misunderstood OSX / linux debacle, then we get the crackdown of the grey import circuit in the UK, and now this? What gives, Sony? Don't you like money? Surely you don't give a flying fuck as to where people buy your overpriced, undermanufactured console and it's games? Also the price gouging you seem to do as evident in the summary i'm sure won't fly in the face of information and outcry on the internet and hopefully popular media will pick this up as well.

    Keep doing this, sony and you will be publicly humiliated (again) and fewer people will buy your stuff. Hell, even Microsoft isn't that evil. Try to control the market in such an evil way, and it will always come back and bite you in the ass.

    In summary: If Sony was an icecream flavor, they'd be pralines and dick.

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    1. Re:Sony has officially gone bananas. by mac666er · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Amen to that MR Willeh.

      I put a lot of value on design for the gadgets that I consume, hence I am a mac geek. However, a time came when I needed to run a Windows App and had to choose a laptop from the Wintel world.

      From all the available options, the VAIOs were by far the most appealing ones, so I bought a GRX. The only problem? How awfully they are manufactured and supported, as I later unfortunately found out.

      One day the thing just wouldn't recognize half of the RAM installed and sometimes it would freeze without any warning sign of any kind. When trying to find out what was wrong with it, I contacted SONY, and it showed me the finger. The official support site didn't mention anything and the help line guys told me that I needed to send in the laptop and pay a service fee at my expense just to see what was going on.

      I later found out in here that the problem was indeed common (pins one to ten in the first memory socket were not soldered properly), that SONY knew about it for a long time, and still didn't EVEN put it in a website as a potential problem that could arise in a VAIO.

      To this day (three and a half years after its release) SONY still hasn't aknowledged the faulty motherboard problem. Now, I really am not that picky as not to buy a product from a company that has had this kind of problem, because in the end, every company has had their fair share. But SONY has this strange corporate attitude.

      Nice ideas, but... beats me. No wonder their shares have been tanking. I can tell you I will NOT buy a VAIO again and I wished there were some sort of AMAZON store for laptops with a similar "rating and comments" system where I could put this experience up.

      If you are thinking of buying a VAIO... DON'T.

  5. Say that again? by scovetta · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since it's highly doubtful that Sony can permit the resale of the japanese PSP consoles in Hong Kong no matter if on the local market or for export, it looks like this is planned to be one of the not the bright marketing ideas of the Sony HQ.

    Sorry, I don't mean to be the grammar-police on Monday morning, but that's just plain terrible.

    I'll translate:

    Since it's highly doubtful that Sony can permit the resale of the Japanese PSP consoles in Hong Kong (whether or not they are available for export), this seems to be a rather poor marketing idea coming from Sony's headquarters.

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  6. My Firefox isn't working... by hedgehog2097 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not blocking the huge Lik-Sang advert on the front page of slashdot.

    Is there a setting I missed?

    1. Re:My Firefox isn't working... by H3g3m0n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Although you can remove a specific table in a page with an extention called Remove It Perementaly http://rip.mozdev.org/

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  7. English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    motherfucker, do you speak it?


    (apparently not)

  8. Does Lik-Sang have the resources to fight this? by defile · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nonsense lawsuits are only shown to be nonsense lawsuits after lots and lots of money is spent.

    I have no idea how big Lik-Sang is, I just bought a GBA transfer cable from them awhile back once. For legitimate purposes, honest!

    1. Re:Does Lik-Sang have the resources to fight this? by defile · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I purchased a GBA transfer cable so that I could develop a videogame using someone else's content. I developed a demo and sent it to the creator. The creator appeared not to like the idea. Since the product was dead, I released it to the general public, code only.

      Does that sound like video game piracy to you?

      Yes, in addition to booting an image over the cable (that's how multiplayer games work, in addition to my game demo), the GBA transfer cable allows you to copy ROMs onto blank cartridges. Some people could use that for illegal file copying purposes, but I don't think the amateur developer market needs to die because some people copy content illegally.

      Console makers argue piracy, but these lawsuits are just as much about the manufacturer maintaining their ability to create artficial supply in the market.

  9. Region Codes by 0olong · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IANAL but to me it seems like region codes are an obstruction of free trade. Why wouldn't any judicial or legislative body speak out against this?

  10. Mod parent up by The+Hobo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I couldn't decipher the summary properly until I read the parent's post

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  11. Constant Target by ChrisF79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lik-Sang has been a constant target for legal issues in the past. I remember a couple of years ago they were selling lots of mod chips and other "hacks" for systems until Nintendo (I believe) put an end to that. I doubt this is the last time we'll read about a Lik-Sang lawsuit in the near future.

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  12. It is not cheaper to import to the UK... by PhotoBoy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the shipping at Lik-Sang is free, the console is even cheaper to import than to buy it locally.

    It is not cheaper to import to the UK. While the price at Lik-Sang for a PSP minus shipping is cheaper than what the UK PSP price will be, you will always get charged import tax plus. Customs seem to know Lik-Sang and they always slap on the import tax. Plus the courier e.g. UPS, DHL et al always put a surcharge on top of the tax because they pay the tax for you at customes and then demand a cheque when they arrive at your door.

    So overall it comes out to be more expensive to import by about £20 or so. Still, if importing annoys Sony then I'm all for it, since I don't see why they should be allowed to dictate who can and cannot sell PSPs, it's just a monopoly.

    1. Re:It is not cheaper to import to the UK... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have a subsidiary, Lik-Sang Europe. They only stock the stuff you could buy 'round here anyway and all games are still shipped from Hongkong. The PSP isn't on their european list, either.

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  13. Fiction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Since the shipping at Lik-Sang is free, the console is even cheaper to import than to buy it locally."

    By the time you've added the UPS Handling Fees, VAT and import duty, it is NOT cheaper.

  14. Global market by jurt1235 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought companies want a global market and are pressing the G7/8 (depends on how you count) to help them in that. But when the market acts back in a global way by protesting against region codings, delayed movie releases (thus watching the copies from the internet), the same companies protest by using their legal means and shear size.

    In short: Sony, stop acting like a little kid, just be global, dump region codings, dump price strategies and just sell you products for a fair price all over the globe.

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  15. Adjusting for typo... by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Since it's highly doubtful that Sony can prohibit the resale of the japanese PSP consoles in Hong Kong no matter if on the local market or for export,"

    It is true, the sales themselves cannot be stopped. However, as UK importers have learned recently to their chagrin, you selling them can be stopped. All Sony has to do is claim that you are using their trademark on the term "PSP" without their permission, and you'll be forced to sell "popular black handheld video game unit from a major manufacturer of electronic devices," something that just doesn't get many hits in a search engine.

  16. Greed by CrashRoX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony is being greedy over a few dollars. This company is buying and selling mass amounts of usits. Sony should be happy they are getting there wholesale rate, im sure it doesnt change that much from country to country, its all relative. The whole point of internet commerce is having the ability to find competitive prices and order from anywhere in the world.

  17. Boo Sony by nmaster64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See, companies like Sony complain about people importing their products, but if they'd just bring their products to us quicker, this wouldn't happen. Can someone give me one good reason they couldn't launch the PSP in Europe at the same time they launched it in America? If companies can make it more of a priority to bring products to overseas markets quicker, or at all in many cases, than they are going to have to deal with the reality of importing as a consumer solution. For the record, I totally back Lik-Sang.com. They're where I import my Gamecube games from. Awesome site. Down with Sony!

    1. Re:Boo Sony by TobyWong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think initially they were worried they would not be able to produce enough PSPs to meet demand. After all they "soft launched" in north america due to uncertainty about how well it would be received.

      Looking at how many titles have come out since launch and at the extremely immature state of the PSP firmware(nice "user-friendly" filesystem you got there sony), this thing was not ready for release anywhere. This is a device that is capable of some very impressive things but limped out of the gates with some pretty sorry software/firmware support.

      For the record I actually imported my jap PSP back in january through lik sang but don't tell anyone... I don't want the sony enforcers showing up on my doorstep to beat me up.

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  18. Who cares by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Couldn't careless what Sony say. I just bought a DS and it truely deserves to be called innovative. Keep your PSPs and whatever else. When you have a game as fun as Zoo Keeper is then maybe I'll look.

    Untill then go back to pulling tricks like this and even the Sony fanboys will hate you

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    1. Re:Who cares by monopole · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having both the PSP and a DS I agree completely. In particular I've got a Play Yan (imported via Lik-Sang), an I actually prefer to use use the DS for video playback, particularly w/ the firmware upgrade. While the screen is smaller, the DS is compact, much more rugged, and has a fantastic battery life. The Play Yan takes dirt cheap SD cards , and uses a very efficent MP4 compression (with the new firmware) which allows me to store 5+ hours of video on a single 1 GB card. On the other hand the PSP is more expensive (while the play yan jacks up the price of the total package, you make out on the cost of the SD cards) far more fragile, and 1 GB of MS Duo costs more than a DS! Finally, even if I did break down and buy a 1GB Memory Stick I wouldn't have the battery life to watch the contents.
      The PSP is a Jaguar overpriced, flashy, and not too practical, the DS is a VW, a little cramped but cheap, reliable and has great gas mileage.

  19. More of a problem for Sony by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regarding regions and when it will be released here in Europe, I don't see the trouble for Lik-Sang. Sonys own fault...

    Lik-Sang FTW.

  20. Playstation Portable? by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not so portable any more, is it?

  21. Free trade by pieterh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's charmingly naive to believe that juidicial or legislative bodies are concerned with free trade. Mainly, they represent power interests and as such the laws created by and for those interests. "Free trade" comes onto the agenda when there is an advantage to be gained: mainly, in access to a market otherwise protected by anti-import legislation.

    As another poster in this thread pointed out, free trade is rarely done out of principle, not even by institutions such as the WTO that claim this as their reason for existence.

    Thus, the USA can subsidise its own cotton farmers to the point where countries like Niger cannot sell their cotton on the world market for a fair price. That's ok. But when Airbus get cheap loans from governments, that's not ok.

    "Free trade" is excellent in theory and nice when it actually happens, but don't imagine it's the top priority for many people except economists.

    Your games are region-protected because as a consumer, you don't actually have any rights except to spend / not spend your money. If you don't like companies that rip you off, don't buy their products.

  22. No Sympathy by Renraku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I feel no sympathy for any company that creates artifical scarcity using anything similar to region-codes.

    Leave it to them to decide not to bring a game to the US and then complain whenever people from the US import it from Japan or Europe, saying that we're making them lose money.

    We're buying their product. At a higher price than normal. And WE get bitched at?! Why should I have to wait a year or more for a game if I can read Japanese and want to play it when it comes out in Japan?

    Why should I have to import a DVD player if I move to Japan or Europe? Oh, I know. So that they can make more money by locking out entire continents.

    In retrospect, I still have no sympathy. And I'm actually surprised that the US doesn't have 5 region codes.

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  23. Simple: by Arkan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't buy it. Show Sony that they're doing the wrong thing when suing right and left when people try to give them money. Tell them with the only thing they understand: money. Or the lack of, actually.

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  24. Brilliant! by uhlume · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since it's highly doubtful that Sony can permit the resale of the japanese PSP consoles in Hong Kong no matter if on the local market or for export, it looks like this is planned to be one of the not the bright marketing ideas of the Sony HQ.

    Allow me to be the first to congratulate the article submitter on his clever literary device: the writeup itself reads like a poorly-translated Japanese video game. Highly apropos!

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  25. Re:Please Remember by KillShill · · Score: 3, Funny

    actually that should read:

    everytime you buy from sony, the RIAA and MPAA extend the copyright on kittens.

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