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Digital Cameras Force Film Off Dixons' Shelves

ngibbons writes "BBC News story regarding digital camera sales: 'High Street retailer Dixons, which started by selling 35mm cameras, is to stop stocking the items because of the popularity of digital cameras.' Digital cameras will out-sell 35mm cameras in the UK by a ratio of 15:1 this year."

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  1. Force? by junklight · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are not really forcing them off the shelves - its simple economics - Dixons are totally mainstream and 35mm film has become non-mainstream. Therefore they aren't going to sell film cameras anymore.

    Not really news - we all know digital camera's are mainstream now.

  2. Overpriced high street.... by MountainMan101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dixon's cater for the "must buy now" category, not the well thought out purchase. People won't buy an SLR in Dixons, but they might buy a compact digital on the spur of th moment.

    It is worth noting, for our foreign readers, that Dixons are a terrible chain of stores selling overpriced electronic goods. The staff are all salesmen they don't have any one who actually knows anything (eg difference between RAM and HD, or Mac and PC). Prices are usually between 50% and 100% more than online (eg Amazon).

    So basically, no one would really mind if the whole chain just upped and died.

    1. Re:Overpriced high street.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thats kinda of a bit harsh to say that all the staff are salesmen that don't know anything.

      I worked at Dixons for a while - started just as a saturday job, but I did know what I was talking about, especially when it came to the difference between a Mac and PC, or RAM and HD. It's also unfair to match a store based retailer to online only retailers (eg Amazon) and to say the prices were 50-100% more is stupid. Oh and incidently, when I bought my AMD64 3200+ (the 1MB L2 not the 512K) I bought it from PC World, cheaper than online (granted I had my staff discount - but that was only 10% so the 50-100% doesn't quite follow suite there).

      I'm not saying Dixons do things the right way, but they are a business, and as uk based retailers go, quite a successful one.

      Oh and people do buy SLR's in Dixons, in my store we had a photographic specialist and he knew his camera's. Incidently, dixons started out in photography, way back in the day.

  3. Not surprising, actually by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Take a look at the various kinds of camera.

    There is the SLR and the P&S, not counting the medium format monsters which aren't flying off the shelf with digital backs.

    Before digital came along, most people owned either a 35mm or an APS point and shoot pocket camera. SLRs were generally thought of (undeservedly in many cases) as "professional" cameras, so most people weren't interested.

    Now digital offers the same convenience as the old film point and shoots but with virtually unlimited shot counts. Whereas you could only get 36 shots in your old pocket camera, now you can get upwards of a 100 on a single battery charge. And the loss in quality is pretty minimal because you are using a pretty small, substandard lens to begin with. It is no surprise that digital has essentially eliminated the film P&S market.

    The SLR side of the coin is much more interesting. What we are seeing is a resurgence in popularity of the SLR in the form of cheap dSLRs like the Canon Rebel 350D and the Nikon D70. These are cheap, offer superior lens choices than the digital P&S class, and you don't need to swap out film every 24-36 shots. Add to this that digital sensors are quickly gaining ground on film technologies such that the quality of data from a digital sensor is equal to or better than the data off of a scanned negative.

    There are many reasons why digital is gaining popularity, the first is simply that it is so much less hassle to plug the camera into the computer than it is to take roll after roll to the photo shop. Also, the boom in blogging has got everyone becoming a photographer with little to no effort. And the cost is coming into the range that mere mortals can afford it.

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    1. Re:Not surprising, actually by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm pretty new to the whole photography thing (not taking pictures of family birthdays and holidays - I mean Photography) but I'm pretty sure that film cameras aren't disappearing anytime soon. Sure, there won't be much in the way of compact point-and-shoot within a couple of years, but 35mm (especially slide/transparency) and medium format will still be with us in 10-20 years' time, just like the vinyl record is still the tool of choice for most creative DJs.

      A friend of mine is a photojournalist, and she says that standard digital SLR is still not high resolution enough to be blown up to 6ft on the wall of an art gallery - for that, you need medium format or at a push 35mm slide film. Sure, resolutions will go up and up, but it's likely to be a few years before digital is good enough for artistic/professional photographers.

      Digital cameras also have some limitations inherent to the format. One example is chromatic aberration or 'edge fringing' which is coloured fringes (typically cyan or red) around the border between different coloured objects near the edge of the lens. It's caused by an interraction between the lens' properties and the CCD, and does not happen with film. Guess what - artistic and professional photographers don't want to have to touch these up in Photoshop because it's losing detail.

      Every format has its strengths and weaknessess, but as a very popular art form, traditional film photography is here to stay for a long time. As a consumer product, it's pretty much dead.

  4. Compacts only by Armchair+Dissident · · Score: 4, Informative

    It should be noted that Dixon principally sell compact cameras, and I think in respect to compacts they're right. Nobody is going to put something like Fuji Velvia into a compact camera, they're going to put the ISO 400 print film made by Boots. There is no advantage to using film on a compact camera over using a modern CCD, and the total running cost for digital - in that market - is significantly smaller.

    Of course, the argument over whether this is true for SLR's is a different matter. I recently traded my old Minolta SLR film kit for a Canon 300D (thanks to Canon bringing out the 350D, the 300D dramatically dropped in price). It's great - but not when using a non-digital lens (chromatic aberation and all that jazz) - and until that problem is solved there will always be a huge market for file SLRs.

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  5. This is not informative, contains errors of fact. by panurge · · Score: 5, Informative
    No way can you blow up 35mm at a push to 6ft. In fact, even 6 by 7 is hard pushed except under studio conditions (heavy tripod, no wind, and a Mamiya 67 is one heavy lump of metal. And even so, the grain will be part of the impact of the picture.) To get 6ft gallery quality you need at least 5 by 4 (inch) and that is serious specialised gear. I have used medium format since 1966, and I sold all my gear (mainly Mamiya and Bronica) four years ago because I was no longer doing studio work, and in the field (where most people work) with hand held conditions, wind, vibration etc. there is simply nothing to be gained over digital.

    As for chomatic aberration, it is a lens property and nothing at all to do with interaction between lens and media. It is harder to control as focal length gets shorter, that is all. Cheap short focus long range over compressed lenses will have aberration. Fact of life. Good quality lenses with limited zoom range and sufficient physical volume to give the designer freedom can have good correction. The highest quality Leitz 35mm lenses were all fixed focal length, but when Leitz started producing varifocal lenses it was an admission that lens design had moved on and new options were possible.

    It's sad, because like many people I enjoyed the physical process of developing and printing, watching the 20 by 16s come up under the safelight. And for certain art purposes film may be around for a long time, though I guess almost entirely B&W. But let us not pretend that 35mm had huge reserves of quality that digital cannot match. It was, after all, invented as a cheap way of doing photography under difficult conditions. The little waterproof Pentax I now use for snapshots is the heir of the Leitz tradition, not the SLR.

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