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Amazon to Enter the Online DVD Rental Business

ChrisF79 writes "Wired News is reporting that Amazon.com is hiring programmers to work with online dvd rentals. From the article: "Advertising for positions based at the company's Seattle headquarters, the listings seek engineers to help in 'building systems and algorithms that must move inventory between our fulfillment centers and our customers in a way that gives customers exactly what they want, when they want it.' The postings indicate they are specifically for an online DVD rental service." Netflix seems to have a stronghold on the market so despite numerous advantages for Amazon, especially economies of scale, can Amazon enter the market and surpass Netflix?"

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  1. Advantage: Amazon by jmp_nyc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Amazon has the clear advantage here. They already operate distribution centers in several locations around the US, have experience in inventory management and quick shipping, and can even rent videos at a slight loss for a while, using it to drive business to the rest of their operations.

    Of course, if all that fails, they can follow their usual MO and file a patent for the idea of unlimited online rentals for a monthly fee and drive Netflix out of business that way.
    -JMP

    1. Re:Advantage: Amazon by Cerdic · · Score: 3, Informative

      WalMart also had those advantages over Netflix, but look at what happened. They stopped taking new subscriptions (because they intend to stop the service) not too long ago.

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    2. Re:Advantage: Amazon by bedroll · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Netflix needs better competition anyway. Blockbuster competes on price and that they give in-store rentals, but they don't compete on service.

      A co-worker recently did a trial comparison of the two services. He found that Netflix sent, received, and processed faster. Also, he found the entire sign up process easier with Netflix (mostly due to an error Blockbuster's site experienced with his sign up, which could be a one time issue). Their website is better designed. Basically, they're just a better online service than Blockbuster has been.

      Amazon has proven to be a good online service. My personal experience shows that there's rarely ever need to use anything but super-saver shipping because most things get to me just that quick. Their website works: I can find stuff, I can buy stuff.

      If anyone can compete with Netflix it's them, hopefully this will either force Netflix to continue to improve or lower their prices. That means that I win. If nothing else, they probably won't raise prices or worsen service, so I at least won't lose.

  2. Instant gratification by phpm0nkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was a NetFlix subscriber for about two years, because they were the best of what was around. Recently, I switched to Blockbuster's in-store unlimited rentals, because it could give me something that NetFlix couldn't: instant gratification.

    I am fickle. With NetFlix, I too frequently found a DVD in my mailbox that I felt like watching 3 days ago. Being able to pick out a movie and be watching it 20 minutes later really makes a world of difference.

    Perhaps NetFlix will go one better. With movie downloads just around the bend, it appears that they're taking innovation and competition in their industry very seriously. Amazon may have the inventory and distribution architecture to easily catapult themselves into the market, but if they don't have anything more interesting than DVDs-by-mail on the horizon, they may quickly find themselves left behind.

    1. Re:Instant gratification by dazzla_2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Their other advantage is they've already done this in the UK.

    2. Re:Instant gratification by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was a Blockbuster subscriber... but after a year (and the dreck that's been coming out of Hollywood) I ran out of movies to watch. I wish they'd stock more TV shows (new and old).

      If Blockbuster could work out a deal w/ the movie industry to burn the DVDs onsite so they could have all the benefits of an unlimited DVD inventory and all the convenience of 20 minute turn around times, I think they'd really hurt NetFlix & Amazon's business.

    3. Re:Instant gratification by rale,+the · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the throttling thing is a bit of an exageration. I just pulled up my 3 month history on netflix's site, and I rented 20, 15, and 17 dvds for a total of 52 over 90 days. Before that I was renting roughly the same amount aswell. I have the 3 at a time plan, which is $18 a month. That means I'm paying $54 for 3 months, which works out to $1.04 per rental, whereas that site says they'll throttle you if you get under $2/per. It is possible that the occasional extra day waits are some sort of throttling measure, but it doesnt seem to me that they're very aggressive, if so. Well, atleast I think I'm getting a pretty good deal at 1.04/each.

  3. Can't wait for the recommendations feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    People who viewed "Anal Invaders 4" also enjoyed...

  4. Operation by superpulpsicle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When netflix lowered their price in competition with blockbuster, netflix claimed they were in jeopardy of making pennies for profit. The opposite happened and their stock prices went higher.

    I am really confused as to whether everybody is still overcharging. Considering everyone has an endless queue list that seem to be sending things out of order again and again. There is still a real supply problem.

  5. News? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:News? by pdbaby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the US is much larger than the UK or Germany, I'm guessing. That means stock's moving greater distances which means that moving it's more expensive which means you need to optimise movement and placement up the wazoo

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  6. Combination with shipping by Blindman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way that Amazon could really gain an advantage is if they could find a way to combine buying other items with DVD rental. If I could buy a book, and get it shipped free with my incoming DVD that would be something. Otherwise, I don't see how they can compete except on price or name regonition.

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  7. Too Late? by canolecaptain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the deployment of the XBox 360 in mass quantities in '06, content producers will have the ability to content lock their movies. Microsoft will finally be able to promise that security to media execs, which will then loosen them up enough to allow the streaming to occur. When that desire is coupled with the increased availability of broadband, the on-demand downloading will finally go mainstream with Microsoft attempting to lead the way. Others in this market will be Apple with iVideo, potentially Sony on the PS3, and potentially juggernaut Google to the PC.
    Unless Amazon can couple the download with the the DVD rental (both will be necessary), they will be too late to be of consequence. My guess is that Netflix, Intelliflix, and Blockbuster will all begin on demand downloads by the end of next year.

  8. Re:Amazon's Advantage by garcia · · Score: 3, Informative

    However, personally, I really never use Amazon for anything more than books.

    Why? In addition to books (used and new) I have bought multiple things there including two GPS units and a mobile phone.

    The latest GPS unit (GPSMap 76CS) was on sale, no rebates necessary, and priced $50 less than its lower end unit (76C). Six months later, the price I got (with no mail-in-rebates) is still less than you can find 99% of the time.

    The mobile phone (T-mobile Sidekick 1) came with instant and mail-in-rebates that totalled enough to make the phone $0 with on year of service.

    Why would you only go to Amazon for books when there are so many bargains on there that I seem to only be able to find there?

    I'm not an amazon.com rep, investor, or otherwise, just a happy customer.

  9. I really like the Amazon service by el_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the US service is as good as the UK service, this should do quite well. Neat little DVD holders, clever postage packaging and fast turn around and the price was significantly cheaper than renting from Blockbusters. My only complaint was that my girlfriend has taken it over. In the last month she has made me watch The Notebook, Million Dollar Baby and Piglet the Movie. Apparently, I'm not allowed to rent Shaolin Soccer because we can't both watch it?!?!?!

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  10. Better website? by aggressivepedestrian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think one thing Amazon will have going for them is their website. Assuming they leverage a lot of their existing code, their initial US launch should be miles ahead of Netflix. While Amazon is constantly adding new features that help me find interesting things in the long tail, I don't think Netflix has made an improvement to their website in the two years I've been a customer.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Netflix, but the recommendations they make for me are almost always off target. On the other hand, Amazon is always presenting me with interesting recommendations on music and books.

    That's just one feature that I expect they will execute better than Netflix. They also have a slew of fetaures Netflix doesn't offer. Some of the ones I've found useful include "the page you made", "customers who bought this also bought this", "customers who viewed this also viewed this".

    Then's there's "Artist Essentials". Just getting into jazz but overwhelmed by the many choices for say, Ella Fitzgerald? Then check out her "Artist Essentials". It's just a static list, so how hard could it be to implement? But if you want an opinion from Netflix about the best movies of, say, Jim Jarmusch, well, you're just SOL.

    All in all, I'd say Amazon's entry into this market will introduce some good competition, and we're all going to benefit.

  11. No. Not haiku, senryu by Mr+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    http://www.phenry.org/junkdrawer/haiku/

    Consider NoMoreNicksLeft,
    Of humor, he was bereft,
    He tried a haiku
    And failed, as will you
    So go back to your job of dick theft

    Now in the case of Amazon.com
    and whether their product will bomb.
    It may work, you see
    For you and for me,
    But will it appeal to your Mom?

  12. Rocket Fueled Video Addiction. . ! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wow. To get full value from my $17.99 per month subscription, I have to force feed myself a minimum of three movies a month forever! Stress! ArgH! Must visit website. Mst watch moveiss. . . Hlp. Where did I put that return envelope. Go out tonight with friends? Can't! Must watch movies! What's good? Who cares! Must make minimum allotment or face vague penalty of paying weird premium for weird disk in mail service.

    Okay.

    To be fair, the Netflix model sounds like a pretty good deal for people whose lives happen to circulate around watching lots and lots of movies. I've been there, and it can be a lot of fun when you're in that head-space.

    But for me, it sounds like WAY too much trouble. --Like working for a company which gives you a pager and has you on-call 24/7. Knowing that I MUST watch 3 movies at some point during the month seems very stressful to me. I'd rather be able to get a movie when I feel like it and not feel that it is yet another item on my To Do list.

    I can happily go for a couple of months without ever watching a DVD, and then I'll blow several nights in a row consuming something which catches my interest, (like the ill-fated Bruce Campbell TV Western series, "Brisco County Jr." --Which was unbelievably cool, but is only available from my friend who downloaded pirate copies from the web and burned them to disk for me because the series was never officially released.). --And then I'll happily watch nothing for another three months.

    Perhaps Netflix could offer non-member limited rental packages with no deadlines on some of those funky single-use disks. --Subscriptions bother me. I don't like feeling 'obligated' to do anything, particularly with regard to my free time activities. Though, it seems to me that the rent-a-DVD-by-mail business model depends rather heavily on the various forms of psychological momentum subscriptions create, so I somehow doubt short term purchases will come about.


    -FL

  13. Amazon owns IMDB too. by MDMurphy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amazon bought IMDB a while back, and luckily, hasn't screwed it up. The IMDB is the best source for movie and TV info online. When Amazon bought it, the only obvious change was making the "buy it" link in the upper left corner always point to Amazon.

    If they tie it in with the IMDB, that would be pretty handy. Search for "Virginia Madsen" and you see a list of all her movies, with boxes next to the ones available for rental. Tick the ones you want and they get added to your queue.
    This is also a plus since you could search with IMDB for any movie, not just the ones they stock. Want a movie that isn't out on DVD yet? Add it to a wish list.

    Amazon also has the setup with used DVDs ( and books ) to ofer deals if you want to buy the movies instead of, or after, renting them. I'd expect them to let you know how long your wait will be for a rental while offering a shorted length if you want to buy one now.

    Amazon also didn't pump up the IPO by paying spammers like Netflix did. Netflix will always be tainted by that.

  14. The Zero-Cost solution by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My wife and I have recently hit on a great, free source of DVD's - the Library. For those who haven't been there in a while, check out your local branch and you might be surprised at what's available. We just picked up Donnie Darko, Kinsey, and Lost in Translation the other day. Since we take the kids there once a week to pick up kid's movies and books, we grab a couple for ourselves and when you're on a tight budget, free entertainment is a major bonus...

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  15. What Amazon Needs: Customer Service by precogpunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This has been said before but Amazon has a recommendation engine that's light years ahead of what Netflix has. I've been an Amazon customer for longer, have bought more product from them, and so has everyone else. Even after rating 300 movies and reviewing several Netflix makes the stupidest movie recommendations while Amazon prove insightful most of the time.

    Amazon has the distribution, but also the ability to cross-sell a lot more than Netflix. It's probably a lot easier for them to sell you the movie if you rent it and like it. They have better promotional opportunities, like including free rental coupons if you buy DVDs.

    The one thing Amazon doesn't have going for it is customer service. Have you ever had a problem with your order? One time someone sent me a gift from my wish list, they could not select the address it was shipped to, and it got lost. It was a complete headache trying to resolve the issue and contact their customer support. Netflix, on the other hand, has amazed me with how good their service is. One time I sent my own DVD back instead of the rental, so I emailed them, and they managed to find it and mail it back to me a couple of weeks later. I also had a real, live, human who answered the email. Unless Amazon shows improvement I'll be sticking with Netflix.