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Ogg Vorbis Share Reaches 12.3% on P2P Traffic
prostoalex writes "According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic. Moreover, 12.3% of all the music files traded on P2P networks are in Ogg format. Almost all of the OGG files are traded via BitTorrent protocol with most of the growth coming from Asia, CacheLogic says."
Percentage figures like these are going to spell doom for torrents. They're going to do nothing but light a big fire under the MPAA and RIAA's asses (Not like they needed it). Expect more fake/ spoofed files masquerading as legitimate movies/ music. People should start thinking about using some bolt-on software for their EDonkey (or ??), much like http://donkeyfakes.gambri.net/ ,or they're going to be downloading a lot of Garbage (and not the Shirley Manson type either).
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Open source music on open source protocols... Who would have thunk?
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> According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic.
Is this really a huge shock? After all your average movie is (let's just say) 500 megabyte, with your average song at around 2 megabyte - of course video traffic is going to outweigh audio downloads by a great amount.
What's wrong with Mp3 and WMA?
The linux community at large seems to have a strong sentiment in favor of using ogg over mp3. I personally tried ogg but in my media player of choice (xmms) the equalizer had absolutely no effect on ogg files whereas with mp3 files the equalizer worked, thus making the mp3 sound much, much better than the non-equalized (don't know the technical name for it) sound of the ogg file. Does anyone know why this is? Am I missing a good thing by not using ogg or is ogg just hyped up a bit much?
12.3% of MUSIC transfers, which is 11.34% of all traffic -- so Ogg makes up 1.4% of all P2P traffic. Which ain't bad at all, but is nowhere near 12.3
I used to ripp all my CDs straight to ogg, but seeing as I cant play ogg in my car, I've abandoned the idea.
Why no play the original CD's? I hear you say, because my car got broken into and they were all stolen.
Ogg's for cars would definiately be a great idea.
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"According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic."
If we assume that the average audio file is 5MB, which is probably too large, then there would only be a file-to-file equivalence if the average video file was less than 30MB, which is very small. You can't fit a single half-hour episode of some anime show into 30MB unless you have ridiculously poor quality. So it's reasonable to conclude that a much greater number of audio files are being traded, and video files use more bandwidth because video files are bigger, rather than because video files are more popular than audio files. An actual ratio would require data on the size of the average traded video file.
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I only hope this percentage has an actual meaning... On the plus side, it will be a pleasure to download those CD's that have "rip" ""protection" in ogg. I proudly buy my music, but I cannot stand _any_ DRM, I rip all my CD's in ogg, and get them on my neuros music player. Great quality, smaller file size, I love it.
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61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video
I wonder what percentage of that is video minors are allowed to see?
According to PhatNoise (PhatNoise.com) the latest firmware revision for their PhatBox supports OGG Vorbis up to 192kbps. You have to email them to get that information, because it's nowhere onthe site. I'm tempted to buy one.
I can't tell a difference. Go figure.
I tried out several encoders in 2001 when considering compressing my music library. I tried double blind tests on the best realistic equipment I'd be using (then a 10 year old amp and pretty new Bose 501 speakers -- both are now clearly 4 years older) using my PC sound card's RCA outputs. Not an audiophile setup by any means, but certainly a bit better than the PC's internal speaker.
In my tests, Ogg Vorbis at 192KBps, MP3 (LAME) at 256KBps and something else.. WMA? at 256KBps were not decipherable from the original CD to my ears. Interestingly enough, I favored Ogg Vorbis even more because when I backed it down to 128KBps the artifacs I could hear sounded better than MP3's at 168. My choice was made -- Ogg Vorbis at 192KBps would be my preferred codec.
So I went around looking for what could play it. Only a few pieces of software (winamp and xmms were the two I cared about) and zero hardware. I had aspirations of taking music with me, so that left all but MP3 out of the game at the time.
I currently use iTunes to store and organize my library of 400+ CDs and synchronize a subset to my 1st generation 5GB iPod. Now that I've put that much effort into a single program, either another organizer will need to beat iTunes by being more comprehensive, useful, intuitive and stable, or iTunes will have to support Ogg Vorbis for me to encode future CDs in a codec other than MP3. Once iTunes encodes and plays Ogg Vorbis files, then I'll see about an iPod or similar that will play them (these days I'm in the iPod Shuffle price range). Since iTunes is a free (as in beer.. but where's all this free beer people talk about?) encoder, I'm not willing to pay for the inconvenience of switching to a new program.
My brother took a copy of his Black Adder DVDs back with him to China in Xvid+Vorbis format (to save damaging the originals).
6 months later I buy a pirate copy in Mexico to show to a friend because I don't have *my* originals with me, and it was the same files (or at least, the same checksum when I checked with him). Also on the disk was a vorbis codec and instructions about how to install it... and how to rip new media with it to best effect.
Something to think about.
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Just because a player plays the 'standard' formats does not make it superior. Look at iPodLinux... it has an ogg player. The only reason most standalone mp3 players don't have ogg support is because the developers wrongly think that it's a completely marginal format, which is becoming increasingly untrue.
If ONE developer would include ogg support, then it would become even more popular and accepted.
And the only reason most people still use mp3 is because, unlike mp3 (which is proprietary), ogg is open-source. Microsoft seems to go out of their way to exclude open-source.
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You know, the article only mentioned the "Ogg [contianer] file format," and the submitter had no reason to insert "vorbis," so some of it might be Ogg/FLAC. Could even be theora video, which would make the assertion that 12% of the "audio" traffic is ogg... we've long ago collectively learned that AVI is a container not a compression scheme, so can we start using the right terminology for Ogg now?
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Are there any portable music players that support .ogg vorbis yet? (and are they any good?)
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Percentage figures like these are
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"Almost all of the OGG files are traded via BitTorrent protocol with most of the growth coming from Asia..."
This provides more proof that open-source is a communist plot -- most open-format audio files traded on those illegal p2p networks come from Asia, home to the largest communist country on Earth! Protect American business and ban p2p and the GPL!
I never really use them anymore, but I remember that if you're looking for something on the P2P networks that isn't a top 40 hit you're at mercy
of the seeders/uploaders/whatever you call them. If the parties ripping the music files decide to use Ogg over mp3 and the downloaders want the song, they're going to find a way to play them. This goes double for binaries groups... I remember quite a few times having to find new players for the various formats people would use, because I really wanted to hear more obscure (and otherwise unavailable) recordings.
I also wonder, though this is pure speculation, if non-mp3 (and non-wma?) formats are gaining popularity because of the floods of garbage mp3s. The RIAA and whoever else is responsible probably aren't bothering with the marginal formats, at least not yet.
The rebuttaal was written by Monty from xiph.org. Monty is he author of the Tremor codec and OGG itself. I agree that Apple should offer support for OGG Vorbis on the iPod, or allow a third party to add support, because choice is a good thing. However, there is no technical reason that the iPod would be unable to play OGG Vorbis files.
Yes, of course -- there is a loss of quality. But the difference when going from LAME standard to Vorbis Q5, for example, is something more accurately described as "barely noticeable" or "reasonably insignificant".
Certainly, if you frequently transcode your files from one lossy format to another, you will begin to notice artifacts. But the losses from a single transcoding are so slight that it is quite often worth it for some added convenience.
It's not really that big of a deal. If you encode at a high enough VBR going into OGG, you won't notice. I run my own little internet stream on Ices v2 and you cannot play mp3 through it. I had to transcode all my mp3's, and while a few got fucked up, most don't sound worse for the wear.
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TFA doesn't say Ogg Vorbis anywhere. It says Ogg. For all we know, that's 99% Ogg Speex files (i.e. audiobooks or other recorded voice) and 1% Ogg Vorbis. Or it could be the other way around. We don't know because the article doesn't say. The claim that it's Ogg Vorbis is completely fabricated by the Slashdot submitter.
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