Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the i-don't-hardly-believe-it dept.
Slashfan writes "It has been widely reported allovertheInternet that it is extremely easy to get the Intel port of Mac OS X to run on regualar PC boxes.
Some of the hackers are running the tweaked version of the operating system on their PCs natively." Pardon my skepticism ;)
Re:Are you joking? This was on the front page yest
by
varmittang
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· Score: 2, Informative
Because that was one person getting it to run on a Toshiba laptop, this other guy got it onto a Sony. So two different people, or just two different laptops, getting it onto regular PC hardware.
Linux in on the act...
by
advocate_one
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· Score: 5, Informative
ha ha... Linux was used to achieve the feat... basically as the midwife OS used in the copying act before kickstarting the new OSX image...
1. Download "VMWare files for patched Mac OS X Tiger Intel" from your favorite torrent site. (Hint: Use the search function).
2. Copy tiger-x86-flat.img from the archive to an external USB drive (it's 6gb)
3. Download Ubuntu Live CD (link)... be sure you get the "Live CD"!!
4. Burn the ubuntu iso, stick it in your pc, and boot it! (make sure you have your bios set to boot to CD)
5. Once ubuntu boots and the gui finally comes up, hook up the USB drive you copied the 6gb image to. A window should pop up showing the contents of the drive. Take note of where its mounted. It should be/Devices/Yourdrivesvolumename
6. Open a terminal window and cd to that directory (/Devices/Yourdrivesvolumename). Do an "ls" to make sure you are in the right place (you should see the 6gb img file.
7. In the terminal window type:
dd bs=1048576 if=./tiger-x86-flat.img of=/dev/hda
Replace hda with the correct drive! If you only have one drive, its probably hda. Thats what mine was. You are about to erase this entire drive so make sure youve got it right and make sure you want to do this! Hit enter. It takes a while... took my vaio about 9 minutes.
8. When it's done, remove the ubuntu disc and shut down the pc. Disconnect your usb drive. Thats it! When you power it back on, OS X should boot!
-- Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
as a computer maker, Apple is done
by
RealityProphet
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· Score: 2, Informative
We have seen this time and time again in the computer industry: commodity hardware puts niche makers out of business. SGI toyed with Intel architecture, about a month before going belly up. DEC Alphas. Sega couldn't compete in the console market, and instead turned their efforts into porting their trademarks (e.g. Sonic) to other systems. Nintendo will soon follow, or die. Apple is just the latest in a very long list to have their hardware market commoditized right out from under them. They have some very cool software products that many people seem to like (iTunes notwithstanding). Maybe they can turn into a software only company, or a services-oriented company that gives their software away for free.
Re:The same could be said about linux.
by
happyemoticon
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· Score: 4, Informative
Clearly you've never done anything with drivers. We're doing some driver programming at my company, and let me tell you sir, it's a bitch. We have Dell and Gateway boxes with the same OS revision and everything, but (one particular rev of) the driver makes the Gateway box bluescreen and not the Dell. Hell, we've even had cases where two seemingly-identical Dells were tested side-by-side; one consistently bluescreened, and the other did not. It is a very tricky topic.
And moreover, since we're just talking about the OS running on Intels, it's decidedly not the kernel/processor, which is the lowest level of portability and the level at which Linux almost universally succeeds. One Genuine Intel x86 is pretty much the same as the next, a few register extensions aside. It's the devices which might be attached to it which create headaches. I could set up Slackware or Gentoo on almost any system on the face of the earth with very little difficulty. Now, getting sound to work on one of those systems is another matter entirely. Framebuffer devices will always be a pain in the neck. I'm still working on scanning properly. MacOS uses a ton of OpenGL and other chutzpah for its basic functionality; Linux basically just uses the kernel and a few core tools you'd find on the Slackware "a" diskette set.
Having learned that, why would he not make it harder for people to obtain and use OS X without purchasing their products?
Apple allows users to purchase a family pack of 5 licenses for $199 instead one license for $129.
Instead of going the MS activation route, they've acknowledged that home users aren't crazy about buying mutiple licenses at cost when they don't really need to. With the family pack, everyone is happy.
I haven't upgraded my machine at home yet because of the whole XP activation thing. I don't feel like I should have to contact anyone if I re-install the OS and/or add hardware... but that's just me.
Re:pardon?
by
Monkelectric
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· Score: 2, Informative
horrible Bobby Mcfarrin reference
To his credit, bobby mcfarrin went on to have a fairly respectable career as a jazz musician after that gimmick track of his. He did a few tracks with the Yellow Jackets that are quite decent.
Actually, his surname's McFerrin, and he's done quite a lot of stuff, from unaccompanied African vocal groups to conducting his own orchestra (the Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra) in quite respectable classical works. He's also done a 2-man show with Robin Williams (the comedy actor, not Robbie Williams the singer!). His work is variable IMO, and while some of it's not to my taste, he obviously has a wide-ranging talent.
The wireless Bluetooth mouse, Bluetooth cellphone, external Firewire HDD's, external Firewire DVD, OEM ATI Radeon video card, external USB printer, Linksys/Cisco wireless network base station, non-Apple LCD monitor, USB pen drive, etc. and EVERYTHING works perfectly with OS X (I am running 10.4.2).
Every single one of the above (except for the ATI card and perhaps the cell phone) uses generic drivers. It is a very, very different matter when you want to support every x86 chipset and SCSI controller in the world.
-- LOAD "SIG",8,1
The "Piracy is good for Apple" reasoning is faulty
by
guidryp
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· Score: 2, Informative
It seems like half the comments here are along the lines of piracy will be great for Apple. I get the impression a lot of these folks think Dvorak still has a clue.
Let us think this through a bit. I am of the mind that selling the OS for generics, piracy or even giving it away for free! Will not have much positive effect on Mac market share. Reasons:
1: Statistically insignificant numbers of people change the OS that the machine came with. Plain and simple. Apples best bet for increasing market share is to sell more machines.
Why?
2: Installation is a pain, 99% of people never re-install.
Installing and maintaining multiple OS's is non trivial and is not undertaken lightly by most folks. I built my last 5 computers, install my own OS's, did dual and triple boot setups. But yet my windows is sufferring windows rot right now and I really dread the idea of doing another re-install. It is a royal PITA.
How about comparison to something else alternative:
3: Market share when something is universally acclaimed, trivial to install and Free! Firefox 10%. Think about this. The vast vast majority aren't even interested in upgrading their browser which is a trivial operation and free. I would estimate at least 100 fold uptake in browsers over whole OS's. So at best this would gain maybe.1 % market share due to even a free OSX.
Addressing the most tired simplistic argument:
3. Piracy worked for microsoft didn't it? Er No? Where you sleeping? Microsoft is a marketing juggernaut, that had essentially no competition. They also made sure, by hook or by crook that almost all PC's shipped with Windows. Piracy may have helped Office along, but windows was a done deal. One other tiny detail. MS wasn't facing an incumbent monopoly.
Finally the main point. Apple must sell more macs to raise market share.
Darwin is a very different kernel. The interface the kernel exposes is mostly BSD, but the implementation is entirely different.
That said, they can barely port BSD drivers to other BSDs. Between BSDs that aren't as closely related (FreeBSD, OpenBSD for example) it's more a matter of using the other driver as documentation when you rewrite the driver.
Or not. OS X can't handle multiple threads. It's handling is a thenth of of Windows and Linux. Mach, while a good idea, was a bad implimentation of a microkernel. The new L4 kernels fix that.
-- Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Re:The same could be said about linux.
by
64nDh1
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· Score: 2, Informative
Unixen? I always thought it was like index and indices. So the plural would be formed into the word "Unices".
If not, then a good rule of thumb for writing is to rephrase if it will help you get your meaning across. If people won't understand something, or it is an unconventional word (even on Slashdot, I haven't seen 'Unixen' used often), the author should consider a different wording.
You could easily have said:
It has the same ability to handle hardware that all other types of unix do.
</GrammarNazi>
Re:Buying a Mac
by
dmarcoot
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· Score: 2, Informative
If what you say is true... why is it that microsoft had to bail Apple out of bankruptcy.
Factually incorrect. (You weren't suckered by that April Fool's Day article on CodePoetry, were you?) The only time Apple ever flirted with bankruptcy was back in the 1995/96 time frame, when the company was undergoing restructuring due to some bad quarterly losses. The events you're thinking of occurred in 1997, and this was in no way a "bail-out."
Here's what really happened: Microsoft agreed to pay a certain amount of money ($150 million) to Apple in exchange for essentially two things: some non-voting shares of stock (which Microsoft has subsequently sold off for a tidy profit), and a resolution of some still-pending lawsuits by Apple against Microsoft. For its part, Apple got a modest amount of money and a promise from Microsoft to continue supporting the Mac with new versions of Office and Internet Explorer for several years to come.
$150 million is chump-change to Microsoft, and would have been insufficient to "bail out" Apple if it were indeed bankrupt at the time.
Of course, I fail to understand how your response logically follows from the grandparent poster's comments which you quoted, but it certainly doesn't help that you cite a fictitious turn of events.
1. Convert.dmg to.iso.... How to convert from.dmg to.iso:
Windows 1. Install UltraISO (you can get it here: http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/) 2. Now run UltraISO Start->Programs->UltraISO->UltraISO 4. After that go to Tools->Convert 5. Input Marklar-Tiger.dmg 6. Output your file to where you want it. Make sure Standard ISO is selected. 7. Click Convert and now your done.
3. Download Darwin Install iso http://www.opendarwin.org/downloads/8.0.1/darwinx8 6-801.iso.gz 4. Open the file through WinRAR 5. Browse to System/Library/ in the iso. 6. Drag the extensions folder out into a temporary folder in Windows. Remember where you placed this for later. 7. Now open up the Mac OS x86 install dvd iso in TransMac (http://www.asy.com/sharetm.htm) 8. Browse to System/Library/Extensions in Transmac. 9. Delete IOATAFamily.kext from the Tiger ISO in Transmac. 10. Find the temporary folder with the extensions folder from earlier (from Darwin) in and browse into it. 11. Drag all the folders (first entry should be called ACard62xxM.kext) from the top section ("PC drive") of TransMac into the bottem section ("Mac drive"). Most of these folders are probably not neccessary, until we have narrowed them down all of them will be copied. 12. REMEMBER TO SELECT NO when it asks to replace a file. 13. Now add the folowing files to the ISO: CoreGraphics - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/CoreGrap hics.tgz/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.fra mework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framewor k/Versions/A/ oah750d - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/05080721 0250_oah750d-patched.zip/usr/libexec/oah/ DS.Bundle - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/DS.bundl e.tgz System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/NetInfo.framework /Versions/A/Resources/lookupd/Agents IOHDIXController.kext - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/IOHDIXCo ntroller.kext.tgz/system/library/extensions 14. Close Transmac and burn! CREDIT GOES TO: MacIntelGuy
I know perfectly well what you said. You, however, did not read my post. You said that Apple made almost no money on their Mac hardware compared to iTunes and iPods. That is wrong, as I've shown. Apple makes no money on iTunes and more money on Mac hardware than on iPod hardware, as you can see from their Q3 report, which is publicly available.
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As far as hardware(NIC, SND, 3d acceleration) working, there are some issues. As far as the OS running, no problems.
For those who are interested in learning more about Rosetta.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Wrong on both counts.
That was classic intercourse!
That's why you should read the title:
More OS X on Plain Old x86 Boxes.
The articles have screenshots in them, but I didn't expect anyone to read that.
n d-running-on-an-ordinary-pc/
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000070054245/
http://www.uneasysilence.com/os-x-proven-hacked-a
Because that was one person getting it to run on a Toshiba laptop, this other guy got it onto a Sony. So two different people, or just two different laptops, getting it onto regular PC hardware.
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Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
To clarify:
You get video, it just depends on if your Quartz graphics layer is accelerated. There have been only a few video cards that have acheived this.
Sound/Network: Only a couple brand of chips have worked natively. Read the forums associated with these sites for hardware compatibility.
Apple's second biggest product is buzz.
Let's face it, nobody works the media like Apple. I love it.
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We have seen this time and time again in the computer industry: commodity hardware puts niche makers out of business. SGI toyed with Intel architecture, about a month before going belly up. DEC Alphas. Sega couldn't compete in the console market, and instead turned their efforts into porting their trademarks (e.g. Sonic) to other systems. Nintendo will soon follow, or die. Apple is just the latest in a very long list to have their hardware market commoditized right out from under them. They have some very cool software products that many people seem to like (iTunes notwithstanding). Maybe they can turn into a software only company, or a services-oriented company that gives their software away for free.
Clearly you've never done anything with drivers. We're doing some driver programming at my company, and let me tell you sir, it's a bitch. We have Dell and Gateway boxes with the same OS revision and everything, but (one particular rev of) the driver makes the Gateway box bluescreen and not the Dell. Hell, we've even had cases where two seemingly-identical Dells were tested side-by-side; one consistently bluescreened, and the other did not. It is a very tricky topic.
And moreover, since we're just talking about the OS running on Intels, it's decidedly not the kernel/processor, which is the lowest level of portability and the level at which Linux almost universally succeeds. One Genuine Intel x86 is pretty much the same as the next, a few register extensions aside. It's the devices which might be attached to it which create headaches. I could set up Slackware or Gentoo on almost any system on the face of the earth with very little difficulty. Now, getting sound to work on one of those systems is another matter entirely. Framebuffer devices will always be a pain in the neck. I'm still working on scanning properly. MacOS uses a ton of OpenGL and other chutzpah for its basic functionality; Linux basically just uses the kernel and a few core tools you'd find on the Slackware "a" diskette set.
it's on EVERY TORRENT SITE, EVERYWHERE.
:)
christ people, look before you open your mouth
Apple allows users to purchase a family pack of 5 licenses for $199 instead one license for $129.
Instead of going the MS activation route, they've acknowledged that home users aren't crazy about buying mutiple licenses at cost when they don't really need to. With the family pack, everyone is happy.
I haven't upgraded my machine at home yet because of the whole XP activation thing. I don't feel like I should have to contact anyone if I re-install the OS and/or add hardware... but that's just me.
To his credit, bobby mcfarrin went on to have a fairly respectable career as a jazz musician after that gimmick track of his. He did a few tracks with the Yellow Jackets that are quite decent.
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If only that were true. The Darwin kernel is rather more complex than that, and has little to do with FreeBSD.
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Every single one of the above (except for the ATI card and perhaps the cell phone) uses generic drivers. It is a very, very different matter when you want to support every x86 chipset and SCSI controller in the world.
LOAD "SIG",8,1
It seems like half the comments here are along the lines of piracy will be great for Apple. I get the impression a lot of these folks think Dvorak still has a clue.
.1 % market share due to even a free OSX.
Let us think this through a bit. I am of the mind that selling the OS for generics, piracy or even giving it away for free! Will not have much positive effect on Mac market share. Reasons:
1: Statistically insignificant numbers of people change the OS that the machine came with. Plain and simple. Apples best bet for increasing market share is to sell more machines.
Why?
2: Installation is a pain, 99% of people never re-install.
Installing and maintaining multiple OS's is non trivial and is not undertaken lightly by most folks. I built my last 5 computers, install my own OS's, did dual and triple boot setups. But yet my windows is sufferring windows rot right now and I really dread the idea of doing another re-install. It is a royal PITA.
How about comparison to something else alternative:
3: Market share when something is universally acclaimed, trivial to install and Free! Firefox 10%. Think about this. The vast vast majority aren't even interested in upgrading their browser which is a trivial operation and free.
I would estimate at least 100 fold uptake in browsers over whole OS's. So at best this would gain maybe
Addressing the most tired simplistic argument:
3. Piracy worked for microsoft didn't it? Er No? Where you sleeping? Microsoft is a marketing juggernaut, that had essentially no competition. They also made sure, by hook or by crook that almost all PC's shipped with Windows. Piracy may have helped Office along, but windows was a done deal. One other tiny detail. MS wasn't facing an incumbent monopoly.
Finally the main point. Apple must sell more macs to raise market share.
Darwin is a very different kernel. The interface the kernel exposes is mostly BSD, but the implementation is entirely different.
That said, they can barely port BSD drivers to other BSDs. Between BSDs that aren't as closely related (FreeBSD, OpenBSD for example) it's more a matter of using the other driver as documentation when you rewrite the driver.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
Or not. OS X can't handle multiple threads. It's handling is a thenth of of Windows and Linux. Mach, while a good idea, was a bad implimentation of a microkernel. The new L4 kernels fix that.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Unixen? I always thought it was like index and indices. So the plural would be formed into the word "Unices".
If not, then a good rule of thumb for writing is to rephrase if it will help you get your meaning across. If people won't understand something, or it is an unconventional word (even on Slashdot, I haven't seen 'Unixen' used often), the author should consider a different wording.
You could easily have said:
</GrammarNazi>
better check here, it may happen
http://www.macrumors.com/
Factually incorrect. (You weren't suckered by that April Fool's Day article on CodePoetry, were you?) The only time Apple ever flirted with bankruptcy was back in the 1995/96 time frame, when the company was undergoing restructuring due to some bad quarterly losses. The events you're thinking of occurred in 1997, and this was in no way a "bail-out."
Here's what really happened: Microsoft agreed to pay a certain amount of money ($150 million) to Apple in exchange for essentially two things: some non-voting shares of stock (which Microsoft has subsequently sold off for a tidy profit), and a resolution of some still-pending lawsuits by Apple against Microsoft. For its part, Apple got a modest amount of money and a promise from Microsoft to continue supporting the Mac with new versions of Office and Internet Explorer for several years to come.
$150 million is chump-change to Microsoft, and would have been insufficient to "bail out" Apple if it were indeed bankrupt at the time.
Of course, I fail to understand how your response logically follows from the grandparent poster's comments which you quoted, but it certainly doesn't help that you cite a fictitious turn of events.
Windows, which is really a great OS,
Actually, Windows is not a really great OS. Scroll down to the third section titled Design flaws common to all Windows versions and start reading.
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from: http://www.brucebeh.com/installosx86.txt
.dmg to .iso.... How to convert from .dmg to .iso:
c her.exec her.zip
8 6-801.iso.gzp hics.tgz /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.fra mework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framewor k/Versions/A/1 0250_oah750d-patched.zip /usr/libexec/oah/l e.tgzk /Versions/A/Resources/lookupd/Agentso ntroller.kext.tgz /system/library/extensions
THIRD SOLUTION MAKING A BOOTABLE DVD (WINDOWS)
1. Convert
Windows
1. Install UltraISO (you can get it here: http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/)
2. Now run UltraISO Start->Programs->UltraISO->UltraISO
4. After that go to Tools->Convert
5. Input Marklar-Tiger.dmg
6. Output your file to where you want it. Make sure Standard ISO is selected.
7. Click Convert and now your done.
2. Patch the ISO with this:
blex0rs sse3 patch: SSE3Patcher.exe or SSE3Patcher.zip
http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/SSE3Pat
OR
http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/SSE3Pat
3. Download Darwin Install iso
http://www.opendarwin.org/downloads/8.0.1/darwinx
4. Open the file through WinRAR
5. Browse to System/Library/ in the iso.
6. Drag the extensions folder out into a temporary folder in Windows. Remember where you placed this for later.
7. Now open up the Mac OS x86 install dvd iso in TransMac (http://www.asy.com/sharetm.htm)
8. Browse to System/Library/Extensions in Transmac.
9. Delete IOATAFamily.kext from the Tiger ISO in Transmac.
10. Find the temporary folder with the extensions folder from earlier (from Darwin) in and browse into it.
11. Drag all the folders (first entry should be called ACard62xxM.kext) from the top section ("PC drive") of TransMac into the bottem section ("Mac drive"). Most of these folders are probably not neccessary, until we have narrowed them down all of them will be copied.
12. REMEMBER TO SELECT NO when it asks to replace a file.
13. Now add the folowing files to the ISO:
CoreGraphics - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/CoreGra
oah750d - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/0508072
DS.Bundle - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/DS.bund
System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/NetInfo.framewor
IOHDIXController.kext - http://www.strengholt-online.nl/osx_howto/IOHDIXC
14. Close Transmac and burn!
CREDIT GOES TO: MacIntelGuy
I know perfectly well what you said. You, however, did not read my post. You said that Apple made almost no money on their Mac hardware compared to iTunes and iPods. That is wrong, as I've shown. Apple makes no money on iTunes and more money on Mac hardware than on iPod hardware, as you can see from their Q3 report, which is publicly available.