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Nanotubes Start to Show their Promise

Rei writes "Researchers at the University of Texas at Dallas have developed the highest quality nanotube sheets to date (the team previously set strength records with polymer-nanotube composites). Producable at a rate comparable to commercial wool spinning, the transparent cloth has exceedingly high conductivity, flexibility, has huge surface area to volume ratios, can potentially be made into very effective OLEDs and thin-film photovoltaic cells, and outperforms even our best bulk materials (such as Mylar and Kevlar) at strength normalized to weight. It strongly absorbs microwaves for localized heating (leading to applications in seamless microwave welding of sections and even windshield warming), changes conductivity little over a wide temperature range (very useful in sensors), and is expected to be used in commercial applications very soon. The research should even be expandable to artificial muscles! To head people off, while the exact tensile strength is not listed, it sounds like it is still far from the >100 GPa needed for a space elevator. Anyways, here's to process advancements!"

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  1. Hurm... by ErikZ · · Score: 5, Funny


    Oh good. I wonder how much it will cost for a packet of laser printer paper made of this stuff?

    I could use something snazzy for my resume.

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    1. Re:Hurm... by PerlDudeXL · · Score: 5, Funny

      This type of paper will require nano-tube based ink/toner.
      of course, the ink will be the most expensive type of fluid with built-in DRM!

    2. Re:Hurm... by Morky · · Score: 5, Funny

      Marcy, come in here please. I just severed my hand with this young man's resume. Get him in here! I like his moxie!

  2. Space elevators by onion2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To head people off, while the exact tensile strength is not listed, it sounds like it is still far from the >100 GPa needed for a space elevator.

    Why do they say they're going to enter the material into some space elevator competition at the end of the article then?

    1. Re:Space elevators by MaestroSartori · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The authors also say that, with further tweaking, their nanotube sheets may be useful for building a space elevator tether. They're planning to put the sheets to the test by entering the Spaceward Foundation's Elevator:2010 contest.


      Emphasis mine. Seems to suggest that they think they're not too far away from it, so you're not totally off the mark, but we all know that the last few tweaks can be the bit that don't work, relegating this to other uses...
    2. Re:Space elevators by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's just modern journalism.
      It used to be Who What When Where and How, now it's May Might Could HelpTo and SomeDay.

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  3. Does this mean? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can soon have a solar powered bulletproof jacket that enhances my strength, protects me from cell phone emissions, and displays DVDs?

    1. Re:Does this mean? by Lil-Bondy · · Score: 3, Funny

      teletubby?

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  4. flexible screens..? by welshwaterloo · · Score: 5, Funny
    The research should even be expandable to artificial muscles!

    Or, from the article, and perhaps of more interest to us:
      "flexible computer screens that could be rolled into a sack"

    Haven't we been promised this for years? I wanna roll up my computer screen & carry it into my flying car!

    1. Re:flexible screens..? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine the excitement: thousands of Slashdot users could get their first roll in a sack!

  5. How about... by markild · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...the cost?

    I know tfa says that it will be efficient, but does that take the cost into perspective? It's not unusual to hear about a new idea that is totally ground braking in several fields, then the research on the commercial fades out, because they find out that it's too pricey. A lot of products was that way in the beginning. Just look at LCD screens etc.

    Well. That being said. This sound awesome, I'd like to see it developed...

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  6. Producable at a rate... by ArbiterOne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, it's producable at a certain rate- but what about the cost? Is it economically feasible?
    Unfortunate about the space elevator. Looks like the highest we've gone is 63 GPa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength)

  7. Oh, wonderous progress! by rocjoe71 · · Score: 5, Funny
    It strongly absorbs microwaves

    Super, I envision the day where I can replace my tin-foil hat with a nanotube beret.

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  8. Re:Cost is irrelevant by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this article, Andrew Barron (Rice University) seems to think we could see this technology used in Formula One racing cars, as early as next season. Although he's probably being a little optimistic, something like a Formula One team would certainly have the sponsors to experiment with tech like this, and develop cheaper manufacturing processes (if possible).

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  9. Re:Miracle by JimmehAH · · Score: 5, Funny

    it cures most deceases

    Just like Jesus!

  10. Space elevator time... by Morky · · Score: 4, Funny
    Just keep it out of my neighborhood, please:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoptheelevator/

  11. Re:Ummm, that doesn't even begin to sound safe. by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I'm going to have a microwave generator going in my car, aiming the the windshield, just to warm it up.

    Don't be silly. It'll just use the ambient microwave radiation we're pouring out now for communications. I'm more worried that with the windshield absorbing all the microwaves my coffee will no longer stay warm in the car.

  12. Why they are weaker by convex_mirror · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason why nanotube composites don't end up being nearly as strong as nanotubes is that nanotubes are very slippery inside of a composite, so once force is applied, it doesn't transfer through the interface and the ultimate tensile strength is primarily determined by the composite.

    In this case, when they are weaving fibers together, the weakness in tensile strength will come from the interface between linked nanotubes which will have a tensile strength many orders of magnitude than that of an individual tube.

  13. Re:Still lot of carbon... by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...as long as you don't include General Relativity, at least...

    Even in GR, the stress-energy tensor has zero divergence.

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  14. Stealth material? by mwilliamson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it strongly absorbs microwaves, I wonder about its potential as a radar-absorbing material for stealth military aircraft, leadfoot driver's cars, etc.

  15. the key ingredient to this all: by DohnJoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    by teasing nanotubes away from one side of a forest and attaching them to a strip of sticky tape

    again proof that duct tape can make anything work!
    Soon we will have duct tape made out of this nanotubes, after that, who knows or even dares to dream!!!

  16. Sounds great... by gadgetman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this stuff is so resilient, NASA should really research a coating of it over the Shuttle tank foam that keeps falling off.

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  17. Sheet tensile strength by The+Evil+Dwarf+from · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the Science article(subscription required) abstract a stack of 18 sheets had a strength of 465MPa/(g/cm^3) (high strength steel listed as 125 MPa/(g/cm^3)).

    They also built an OLED of 500 cd/m^2 with a onset voltage of 2.4V.

  18. Re:About time. by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Funny
    Super-cheap nanotubes? About fucking time. We've been hearing about nanotubes for years, their possible use in computers, all their various other properties... It certainly took them long enough to discover a cheap way to make them.

    Of course, if you had been part of the effort, it would've happened twice as fast. But you obviously had other priorities, and I'm sure I speak for all of us here when I express my deep appreciation for taking a little of your precious time to share your insight with Slashdot.

  19. Re:But will it slice bread? by fearofcarpet · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm no chemist or engineer, I don't know what potential carbon nanotubes have or don't have but whenever I read an article that seems to promise everything, I figure it is about 95% hyperbole and wishful thinking.

    I am a chemist, I work in the "nanotechnology" field, and I have spent time in Engineering/MS labs making OLEDs, PV cells, and other thin film devices. Many of "us" consider nanotubes to be the only viable "nanotechnology" at the moment because of the fact that they can be used by spraying thin layers, making entangled sheets, or other easy-to-commercialize methods of preparation. As for the hybperbole, I think the fact that you're reading an article on MSNBC should give you a clue : ) If you read the Science article they make essentially none of the claims present in the MSNBC article. In fact all they really claim is a new method for preparing NT sheets that is way better than the current methods used for preparing NT 'paper' (it really looks and feels like paper).

    Yes, nanotubes are cool. Yes, they conduct electricity. Yes, they emit white light in an OLED configuration. I'm not 100% sure where they're getting the artificial muscle thing, but from what I've read (from peer reviewed journals) don't hold your breath - but I'm no expert there. What generally happens here is the inventors like to hype their discovery up (in this case a method for preparing better NT sheets) as much as possible, but in "science speak". That is, this "may be used for ___" or "has the potential for ___" and then they rattle off stuff NTs can be used for which gets all mixed up in the in article. In this case NT sheets are nothing new and most of what they're claiming has been done before (IBM even got light out of a single NT, far more impressive if you ask me), but they're doing it better with higher quality NT sheets. When it was discovered that poly(aniline) had great mechanical properties as well as interesting "chemical switching" and conductive properties there were people that were sure it was going to be used in planes, clothes, computers... You name it. Too bad it is deliquescent - D'Oh. I can't remember whether this happened before or after the discovery that poly(acetylene) had a high tensile strength and people were claiming space elevators, lightweight electric motors, etc etc. Too bad it catches fire in air in its conductive form - D'Oh D'Oh.

    At the end of the day this is another step towards some real nanotechnology applications, but you're reading about it because the editors at Science decided it was worth publishing. Only in the Science article they include all the references to the past work that made it possible :) Oh, and the microwave thing is neat because the NTs will spark like crazy in your microwave oven. So will graphite, which you can try at home if you like... If you don't know NTs are essentially "rolled up" graphite sheets, so they share a lot of common properties.

    Here is the abstract:

    Individual carbon nanotubes are like minute bits of string, and many trillions of these invisible strings must be assembled to make useful macroscopic articles. We demonstrated such assembly at rates above 7 meters per minute by cooperatively rotating carbon nanotubes in vertically oriented nanotube arrays (forests) and made 5-centimeter-wide, meter-long transparent sheets. These self-supporting nanotube sheets are initially formed as a highly anisotropic electronically conducting aerogel that can be densified into strong sheets that are as thin as 50 nanometers. The measured gravimetric strength of orthogonally oriented sheet arrays exceeds that of sheets of high-strength steel. These nanotube sheets have been used in laboratory demonstrations for the microwave bonding of plastics and for making transparent, highly elastomeric electrodes; planar sources of polarized broad-band radiation; conducting appliqués; and flexible organic light-emitting diodes.

    So what they did was create sheets

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  20. Re:Good bye disposables by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, a pair of underpants that won't wear out!

    Underpants wear out?

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  21. Not science fiction according to IEEE Spectrum by Zordak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This month's IEEE Spectrum features an article by Bradley Edwards who studied the near-term feasibility of a space elevator under a grant from NASA. His conclusion is that it could be accomplished in as little as 10-15 years and for as "little" as $10B (meaning little enough that there are several individuals on Earth who could fund it privately). Of course, the major technological limitation is the nanotubes. He suggests "spun" nanotubes (like yarn) or nanotube composites (and he contends that if one of these broke near the top, it would not be the end of life as we know it -- it's a ribbon that would loft gently down to Earth and burn up in the atmosphere). He even addresses storms, terrorism and space-borne threates. It's a good article and somewhat technical (written for engineers). His conclusions are quite credible, and probably more informed than your average Slashdot debate.

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