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The Future of the Car

Gandul writes "Radar, lasers, wireless radio networks and other embedded tech will enable our cars to sense faraway traffic and stop accidents before they happen. But who will be in the driver's seat?"

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  1. Duh? by cbrocious · · Score: 5, Funny

    But who will be in the driver's seat?

    Whoever's driving the car, duh.

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    1. Re:Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Except in England and Japan. Over there, the passenger sits in the driver's seat.

    2. Re:Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      our kids

      You'd have to get laid first. Since you're posting on slashdot on a friday night, I'd say this is pretty much a non-issue.

      PS: I am posting this while making love to many beautiful European ladies and reading up on the next absurdly elaborate and expensive sports car I'll be buying. Since the probability of one person as awesome as myself reading slashdot is as close to zero as possible, it's safe to assume that you are my inferior, and therefore fair game for my petty jabs.

    3. Re:Duh? by wattersa · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Except in England and Japan. Over there, the passenger sits in the driver's seat.

      Intelligence shows that in an unspecified Eastern European country, the car rides on the driver. Reports that this unnamed country is Soviet Russia are unconfirmed. Details at 11.

  2. More to the point... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What will they be fueled with?

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    1. Re:More to the point... by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you aware that the #1 cause of accidents in my state is people that drive too slow?

  3. Hopefully not people by bigtrike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The vast majority of accidents are caused because human beings are either incapable or unwilling to drive a vehicle safely. Because of this, we have lost many civil liberties. Due to safety concerns, the police can pull you over and search your vehicle at almost any time without real justification.

    I'd rather have robots drive.

  4. drivers seat by convolvatron · · Score: 4, Funny

    my genetically engineered chauffeur-lemur

    duh

  5. The changes that should be made by Mishra100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really do think they need to start focusing on a rail type system that does all the driving for us. If we finally would convert roads to a electromagnetic railway system (like the bullet train) and just program cars to drive and stop when they need, then we would have a much much better system than we have now. This completly gets rid of Car insurance, gas, 95% of death related accidents(I would have the 5% is left for cars that malfunction), drunk drivers, pollution, and many other negative aspects.
    I definitely think it would takes a lot of time to complete and would cost a ton of money. But we as citizens and as a country would save a whole lot more money having this implemented as a final solution to all of the stable and rising issues that circles around transportation.

    1. Re:The changes that should be made by egarland · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rail can't replace roads. It's much less flexible than pavement, more expensive to maintain and not compatible with the existing transportation.

      People aren't going to be running rails into their garages, to their front doors.. across the lawn to where you need to back up to hook up the trailer.. etc. When there's an accident a rail vehicle can't just drive on the dirt to go around which may not seem important until you think of the fire truck that's coming to pry someone out of the wreckage in that accident. Rail isn't flexible enough for a general purpose transportation system. That lack of flexibility is one of the two advantages you have with rail. It lets you predict exactly where things will travel and run things like power lines to them. That advantage is it's downfall when it comes to general purpose transportation though.

      The other advantage is lower rolling resistance. As speeds go up air friction accounts for a larger percent of the energy used to keep the vehicle moving so as speeds increase this is actually less important.

      Also, car insurance wouldn't go away it would just get cheaper. Gas may go away but you have to power the vehicles somehow and since we aren't building any more clean environmentally friendly nuclear power plants we'll probably be burning oil or more likely coal which dumps tons and tons of mercury into our food chain every year (anyone know what the half life of mercury is?)

      The benefits you describe could be here soon, but the only realistic way to get them is if computers drive our cars. That's the right answer.

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  6. Honestly... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Honestly, I wouldn't mind that much having a car that could drive itself. You see, the problem with public transportation is that its public. Even in a cab you have that smelly driver and the dingy cab. I think there is a huge market for people who would like to buy a reasonably priced car with an automated chauffeur, which these controls will eventually amount to.

    Imagine having your own car that can drive you on its own, and you can sit in the back doing whatever you want, be it getting another hours rest on the way to work, watching a movie on the way home, fooling around, getting drunk, you name it.

    The drinking aspect alone would make this a best seller. Can you say "Designated Driver comes standard with this model!"

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  7. Flamebait? wtf? by coshx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The vast majority of accidents are caused because human beings are either incapable or unwilling to drive a vehicle safely

    This is plain truth. Most accidents are caused either because the drivers chose to drive wrecklessly and/or under the influence, or were caused simply because human reaction time is not as good as computers' reaction time.


    Because of this, we have lost many civil liberties.

    This is also true, and quite an insight. Think about random road blocks where you're tested for being under the influence even if you're NOT driving wrecklessly or even swerving. The equation is simple: am I willing to give up a little bit of my privacy to prevent myself from being killed? Generally, yes! Of course! But, if drunk driving didn't cause accidents because people weren't driving, there would be no need to pull this person over.


    Mods, please please please stop modding based on your own beliefs, and rather based on the intelligence of people's responses -- I'm going to get modded down for that, eh?

    1. Re:Flamebait? wtf? by borg · · Score: 5, Funny

      uh, excuse me sir.

      but wouldn't a driver who drove wrecklessly not be in an accident?

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    2. Re:Flamebait? wtf? by bergeron76 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the outrage/hazard formula. I forget whom developed it, but it basically states that if people become more outraged about something (than the hazard the thing presents) they will be willing to give up basic civil liberties.

      Basically, if you fire enough people up about some 'thing', they will take action even if the the 'thing' doesn't pose a direct risk/hazard to them directly.

      Kind of like the war in Iraq: scare enough people and they will do _anything_ to prevent it. In the USA for example, a country of 500 million people, the odds of being killed by a terrorist attack is infantesimal. Yet here we are, giving up our basic civil liberties in droves.

      If you don't think our [US] society as become over-paranoid, try boarding a mass-transit vehicle while wearing a ski mask. You'll be stopped/searched/seized faster than you can say, "Land of the free".

      They'll say they have 'probable cause'; you'll say 'it was cold out' or possibly 'I didn't want security cameras recording my every move'.

      Welcome back to 1984!

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  8. "Virus kills hundreds on I-95" by sexyrexy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It has generally been the trend that the more complex a system becomes, similarities it will have to the foundations of the modern operating system. ATMs are a prime example of machines that started as moderately sophisticated PCBs and now routinely run Windows Embedded.

    If a vehicle is "smart" enough to handle driving, it will have the computational power and flexibility to run reasonably sophisticated software. Consider that increasing wireless bandwidth (WiMax, anyone?) will lead to offloading the heavy-duty positional and map processing to a remote service over the Internet, with the software to display becoming a thin client for a remote database. A clever programmer will find a stack overflow in MapQuestClientForYourCar and BAM! Suddenly cars are automatically veering for each other instead of away.

    The level of scrutiny and security applied to such systems will have to be on par, or higher than, such applications as air traffic controlling before it can be considered safe.

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  9. Re:Automatic speed control by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My last fender bender cost less than $1000 in all to repair both cars. Guess how much the insurance company raised my rates for the next 4 years or so?

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  10. Thousands of deaths caused . . . by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . by humans at the wheel: acceptable risk. One death caused by a computer at the helm: lawsuit of Biblical proportions.

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  11. The real future of the 'car' by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The upper-middle-class (both those that have lots of money and those who have lots of education) will be buying hybrids and other smaller cars that get very good fuel economy.

        As the price of gasoline continues to go up, people who are currently driving giant SUVs (here I'm talking about Mommy going a mile to the supermarket in a vehicle that is almost as big as a space shuttle) will sell them off to the lower middle class and working class people.

        Then as they break and wear out, the working class people won't repair them. Instead they will strip out the non-functioning systems. Here's a scenario from 2008:

        Some light on the dash goes on that says "Engine problem". You take it to the dealer who charges you $80 to plug in an OBD cable and find out what the problem is. They say that it's a bad Bi-Nitrogen Catalytic Emission sensor (don't tell me that this doesn't exist, I know it. This is a scenario). It has an 89 cent microcontroller and a $3 relay in a $2 little plastic box. It costs $369.87 and you have to replace all four if one goes out because there 'calibrated' to each other.

        So is the working-class guy going to replace the dohickey? No way. He goes to his brother-in-law's cousin who knows this guy who can take care of these little SUV problems. Year after year the car works less and less. Finally it doesn't pass emissions testing and can't get a registration renewal. Joe Six-Pack just say's the hell with it and drives it anyway, maybe even with a fake license plate year sticker.

        One day the cops stop him and run the VIN through the DMV computer. They confiscate the vehicle and tow it. It gets sold at a police auction to a wholesaler who sells it again to an illegal immigrant no questions asked, no papers. It's back out on the street.

        This is the real future of the car. Millions and millions of loud, junky, polluting, giant stupid and ugly half-broken SUVs. All driven by guys with no money and serious attitude problems.

        Thanks a lot, Detroit. It's nice to know that we can count on you for well-balanced long-term positive solutions to our tranportation needs! How's you stock ratings? Still as junky as the SUVs that you sell?

  12. Its bleak. by TenPin22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The future of the car is very bleak given that at the current rate of oil consumption we have enough reserves (optimistically) for 40 years. Even that is irrelevant because oil production will peak over the next few years when demand is soaring in Asia.

    Forget about Hydrogen, it's only a means of energy storage not a source. There is no way we could biuld the infrastructure let alone produce enough hydrogen or hydrogen powered vehicles.

    Forget about LNG, there's no way we can replace even 5 million barrels of oil equivalent given that natural gas will peak in the next 15 years and North America has peaked already.

    Forget about biogas/biodiesel, most of it doesn't even have a positive net energy return.

    I would hazard a guess that if we maxed out all the alternative liquid fuels that we could use for air/road transportation we might make up less than 5% of global oil demand. That's a guess, I would be interested in some real numbers.

    Don't give me any of that "The markets will automatically react, adjust and allow alternatives to become economically viable" BS. The economic system that we live in depends on growing energy supplies to feed the system so that people can pay the interest on their loans. The energy supply is going to stop growing then start declining and the worlds economies will crash to various degrees: The larger they are, the harder they will fall.

    Personally I think hardly anyone will be driving cars in 10 years time.

  13. Re:Make me. by carlislematthew · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Totally agree. I just got involved in my (first) accident with some "lady" that decided to turn left in front of me at a traffic light. She "didn't see me". She had young kids in the back of her car too - I dread to think what could have happened to them if I didn't hit the brakes FAST with my lovely ABS system. They could be seriously injured or dead right now. Stupid bitch.

    Anyway, I was going 30 and she was going about 5mph. Was she a dangerous driver? Yes! Were either of us speeding? NO!

    It seems to be the case that there are two types of dangerous drivers. First, the morons that drive recklessly, drink and drive, cut people up, etc. These people tend to *also* drive fast. The second type is a member of the "oblivious masses" that can only see things that are in front of them. To these people mirrors are odd devices that have limited use. Sometimes their motto seems to be "slow is safe!" regardless of the situation. They don't understand road rules, they make bad decisions (not deliberately - they're not reckless in a deliberate sense) and that causes accidents. The lady I hit falls into this second category. She probably thinks she's a "safe" driver because she never goes over the speed limit. Remember, "slow is safe!".

    Likewise, we can split safe drivers into two different categories - ones that stick to the speed limit and ones that don't. 60mph at night in the pouring rain may be an appropriate limit at that point in time, but it bears no similarity with that same stretch of road on a Sunday afternoon in dry sunny conditions. The speed limit is a conservative limit, given that it is not practical to have a variable limit across large sections of freeway. Just because you drive the speed limit doesn't in itself make you a safe driver.

    Finally, it will always be true that people that drive slower than me are morons, and people that drive faster than me are idiots. :)