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Shape Changing Plane In Development
Eh-Wire writes "The University of Florida has a short article on the "morphing wing" drone they are developing for a small aircraft that can swoop through parking garages, dive into alleys and land on balconies. Close-up video of seagulls in flight was the inspiration for the design of the drone. A still image of the drone shows an aircraft that looks surprisingly gull-like. A video shows the "wing morphing" in action on a static mounted drone. There is also a link to quite a few more videos in the article but it's not real obvious. Some guys get all the phun jobs!"
So how long until they make one that can change into a giant robot?
MAW (Mission Adaptive Wing) designs have been tested since the sixties at least (probably earlier.) Still cool though.
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It's a plane!
What the heck is that thing?
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Now for the transformable airplanes and motorcycles!
C'mon who doesn't want a motorcycle that turns into a jet pack!
inventor's design than it does the Wright Brothers designs.
But probably because he based his design on actual seagulls and terns as well.
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... why not just use seagulls with lasers on their heads?
Well, there goes the bird population in countries with paranoid leadership.
So, the Wright brothers were right after all?
Reminds me of the VTOL aircraft in the RTS Total Annihilation. These could even "tuck in" their wings as they landed, and as they tookoff, they would hover upwards while opening their wings.
:)
Seemed like a pretty cool-looking idea anyway
Someone's been reading too much Frank Herbert.
Assuming there is such a thing as too much Frank Herbert.
This might be an interesting thing to avoid expensive helicoptor chases on freeways or on foot persuit in city areas.
I don't get it.
So, when flying over crowds of people, does this new plane drop its cargo every so often?
> It's a plane!
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> What the heck is that thing?
Holy fuck, it's an elephant! Either get a big umbrella, lay off the booze, or run for your lives!
What's the big deal? I see footage of planes changing shape on those "historic aviation" shows on the Discovery Channel all the time.
The planes tend to change shape in a spectacular fashion when something goes wrong and the ground intersects the plane's flight path.
Oh, great, get a few of these and we have a whole robotic Flock of Seagulls.
Talk about modern warfare, it's a whole new wave of drones.
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I'll never fit in that thing!
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but can you put linux in it? Or make it into a wifi mobile hotspot?
Here's the video
Coralized, so hopefully people will be able to view it.
I'm not sure if the file goes over Coral's size limit.
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Transformers are old now, right? Starscream has been around since the 80's, hasn't he?
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A plane that flaps its wings. Hunh.
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Sorry, this is not morphing... It's just a flapping wing. Anyone else sadly dissapointed by the images?
The Air Force and NASA have so far provided about $3 million for the UF research, a substantial portion of which is aimed at addressing that issue by making the planes easier to fly.
I wonder why they would need to spend that much money on this "new" idea".
The bird-like prototypes are strikingly maneuverable, capable, for example, of completing three, 360-degree rolls in one second. (An F-16 fighter jet can manage at least one roll per second, but three rolls would produce excessive gravity force, killing the pilot). Flying in videotaped demonstrations, they are so agile they appear out of control at times, and indeed the planes require considerable talent by the remote control pilot.
Oh, oh oh, I see.
Time is comparison of movement to other movement.
Well, Im sure its an original approach, but its certainly not a new idea.
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So how long until they make one that can change into a giant robot?
It's not making it into a giant robot that's the problem, you simply connect the shape changing plane to the mobile gun platform torso to do that.
It's making it big enough to carry the teenage pilots inside the giant robots that's taking all the time.
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'cause I said so.
Put some small exlosives on these things and we have flying remotely controlled bombs that can target single rooms, without bringing the rest of the house down (hopefully). I'm not a huge fan of bombs, but this sure beats shelling entire houses or neighborhoods to the ground going after a couple of individuals. Either way though, it makes me uncomfortable :(
Its very neat that many of our experimental flying gizmos "steal" ideas from birds. I find that great. Some of our earliest attempts to fly (that failed) mimiced bird wings, and we've FINALLY found ways to make them work for us.
If the enemy gets morphing plans, a morphing car may be the ONLY chance we have of stopping them!
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Jonathan Livingston Drone just doesn't have the right mix of romance, awe, dread, and reverence if you ask me.
We should send out prayer out to the administrators of that website... someone just posted a link to a movie on the front page of /.
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Amen.
It's surprising that we don't copy nature more often. I mean, animals in existence today have had millions of years or more to adapt, producing incredibly elegant solutions to problems. Of course, reverse engineering these adaptations is difficult, because there's no manual, and no real designer to interrogate.
Like the roach controlled robot perhaps? that's even scarier!
An roach on the edge, controlling a giant robot in a rampage stomping humans: "That's for auntie Bea, and that's for my great grand daddy, and this is for inventing Raid, yarrr!!!"
Good one. Made me almost spit out my Tab all over my parachute pants.
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Looking at the differences between a bird and an airplane one can see obvious benefits of each. What conventional aeronautics have not been able to acomplish is the agility and dexterity with wich birds can manuvere in flight. Birds also have an incredible ability to fly at slow speeds and even recover from dangerous situations. All of these qualities are what we NEED in our future aeronautical designs.
As a Private Pilot I was getting excited by the prospect of the Mohler Flying Car, or even one of those (relatively) cheap DIY helicopters. But there was always something in the back of my mind that said that aircraft NEED to be more like birds.
Admittedly, the technology ISN'T as impressive as one would imagine. BUT, I applaud any attempt at changing the way things are done. In fact, I read an article yesterday that claimed that Japan is doing experiementation with a supersonic (Concorde-like) aircraft! Lets see what the future holds: flying cars, supersonic flight for everyone, personal helicopters, more agile designs, deployable parachutes, better computer assisted flight (from GPS, ALS, to auto performance enhancements).....
Its about time someone in the field of aeronautics changed things....things have remained the same for WAY TOO LONG.
WHY IS IT THAT A 1940's ERA war plane can KICK my Cessna's Butt????????? THIS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE PROGRESS.
or else.
oh great - so now we'll have robot gulls fighting over french fries in the McDonalds dumpsters. Of course as robots they'll be able to rip the sides right off the dumpsters...
My favorite variable geometry aerodynamic structure is R. T. Jones' oblique all wing (PDF warning). Its basically just a highly eccentric elipse that flies. At 0 its angle of attack is 0. At Mach 1.6 its angle of attack is 60 degrees. As an SST topping out at Mach 1.6 it can achieve per-passenger fuel economy similar to a subsonic jumbo jet.
Seastead this.
This thing has hinges on its wings! What a gyp! Screw that, that isn't morphing. I want a plane where the wings are made of a single peice of some kind of high-tech polymer that changes shape when electricity is applied to it.
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Admit it, you want to know what the special phaggot signal because you need help phinding phaggots to phuck you.
I'm sure this is more advanced, but I actually have an RC Orinthopter on order that I got for like $55, should be here in a week or so - it flys by flapping it's wings and has a twisty tail for a rudder.
Not sure if I can use it to collect spice yet or not!
The most important question though is...
Can they buzz Ben Hill Griffen stadium during a game and not get arrested, their grant money taken away, or forced to park out here by SFCC and walk to class?
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I want a morphing robot plane! Robots be kewl!
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not lack of access to a designer. Where do you find a material with the compressive strength of bone and low density? How do you replace the tensional strength and flexiblity of muscle?
If I had any of that $h17 I could build some HELLACIOUS ROBOTS and conquer...ummm, spread democracy throughout the world.
We have always been at war with Eurasia!
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Here is a torrent of the video. http://mirror.hrnoc.net/pub/torrents/labmorphing.m pg.torrent
It looks like they also designed a web server that can "morph" into a molten slag heap...
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Just throw some alka seltzer on the ground.
It's all about Thrust (I think this was clearly explained in Chicken Run : )
Someone - Tesla, I believe - thought that flight would never be safe until we had greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratios. For an airplane this means you can do a tailstand, accelerate, and fly upward.
While many modern fighter jets can accomplish this, it turns out he was being overconservative.
For a biological organism, this is easiest with tiny things - Dragonflys are a great example of agile, multidirectional flight.
For manmade aircraft the reverse is true - it's easier for us to deal with the overhead of the machine the larger it is.
Modern fixed wing aircraft are very good at getting the most lift possible for a given amount of engine. Birds aren't a great example of high engine power to lift wings - but a bird would be pretty useless at flying if it could only takeoff and land on a nice smooth, long runway.
So in my opinion we're finally getting enough excess power in fairly small machines to do things that are power-inefficient with the wings. Having fast, cheap microcontrollers helps a lot too.
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What, so they aren't two-dimensional any more? I just can't keep up with this "new math."
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Soon I'll be able to fulfill the dream with slightly changing wings, like the Arwing from Star Fox.
Yes yes, continue to work people, soon your work will become mine!! And then we'll see who has the sleakest badass plane around.
lol what?
If they're particularly adventurous, the designers will do ti by making the wing sweep angle changeable, like in the F-111, F-14 and B-1. Hmmm, two dogs out of three....
It hasnt been done the way this video depicts in real planes as there's a lot of costs:
- Making the wing hinged or flexible means you need a whole heapin helping of actuators to keep it in position. Actuators are made of steel-- very heavy. if it's a fighter plane, the actuators have to be able to hold the wing in position under multiple-G loads. But that requires heavier actuators, which increase the loads...
- Actuators are usually hydraulically powered. Not good in a military airplane which often loses hydraulics due to flak and bullets.
- Hinged or flexible wings usually can't be hollowed out to hold fuel, landing gear, or munitons. Which makes the rest of the plane bigger in proportion to hold those items.
So you end up with a plane that's big, heavy, unreliable all the time, versus having the flexible wing, which only helps in some flight regimes, some of the time. Generally the good doesnt outweigh the bad.As old as powered flight. The Wright Brothers patented a wing warping system that was used on the Wright Flier, which was of course, the first powered heavier than air craft to successfuly fly.
Very true, and Slashdot readers might be interested to know that wing warping was the subject of a huge patent battle between the Wrights and Glenn Curtiss. See here and here. The consensus is that the patent fight significantly inhibited US aircraft development at the time.
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Seriously, it really is amazing to go the beach and see a small sparrow and realize that the tiny bird flies better, is more maneuverable, more energy efficient, has better sensors, better object avoidance and has better AI than the best blue-sky, black budget skunk works project out of Area 51.
It is humbling to think how far we far to go to even come close to what evolution has randomly created.
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wow, that was the coolest video ever. Up to this point, I've only seen virtuoso pilots at air shows make those kinds of manuevers with their airplanes. I think this design, new or not, gives these mini planes a LOT of flexibility and could enable such applications as:
- spying on your next door neighbor while she's getting undressed
- spying on your neighbor across the street while she is getting undressed
- spying on your wife while she is getting undressed but not letting you watch because you got caught doing the above two things
- spying on yourself while you are getting undressed by programming the plane to do so WITHOUT your knowledge and then getting really mad at it.
no but seriously, what's up with all the jokes? This is an awesome little plane concept, great job you guys.
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There is also a link to quite a few more videos in the article but it's not real obvious. Some guys get all the phun jobs!"
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I'll get in it when it morphs into a car.
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The parent just took the rather subtle post of the grandparent and shoved the joke in everyones face. Give credit where credit is due!
p.s. And NO, I AM NOT the grandparent poster.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Skynet yet.
Really. Come on, people. These things are our thirtieth or fortieth step towards Judgement Day. Then comes the rise of the machines!
I immediately think of the YF-22 from Macross Plus with the mighty morphing wing.
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That is the first thing that came to mind when I saw the video. However, I am not seeing it as a funny. Very robust wings of that nature could certainly be used in the same manner as the 'Thopter.
sounds like Pops from Speed Racer might have been in on the development.
Because, like, if it does... then totally: fuck yeah!
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gives these mini planes a LOT of flexibility and could enable such applications as:
- spying on your next door neighbor while she's getting undressed
- spying on your neighbor across the street while she is getting undressed
- spying on your wife while she is getting undressed but not letting you watch because you got caught doing the above two things
- spying on yourself while you are getting undressed by programming the plane to do so WITHOUT your knowledge and then getting really mad at it.
Ah, it's good to live in Soviet America.
They should make one where you have this regular-looking set of wings, and when you go into attack mode, these wings, or "foils," open up and take on the appearance of a large "X" when seen from the front or back.
And I want to mount four of our new laser cannon on it. It should also be able to launch some photon torpedoes. And have a maintenance droid along for the ride.
Is this the natural evolution of the airplane, or is it a case of intelligent design?
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Interesting comments in the thread, I particularly liked the one about our server morphing into a molten slag heap.
I've been studying the dynamics of morphing aircraft throughout my master's and PhD work. Granted we're not dealing with a solution to the morphing problem here. We've simply identified some interesting dynamic properties associated with gull-wing and other morphing types.
As for the use of hinges, we make no excuses for using 'antiquated' technology in place of piezoelectric actuators or other embedded actuators. The piezos require far more voltage than we can provide on the airplanes. The hinges work - every time. Besides, think of the skeletal structure of birds... don't they also use shoulder and elbow joints?
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UF posted an audio interview with one of the professors involved on the Audio section of its news site. You can also get it on their podcast.
For instance, this cool toy would handily outfly a 1940's warplane if you attached some weapons to it (assuming they get it flying without running out of money, which isn't assured given the track record of small airplane manufactureres).
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Here's one of the most successful gull-wing designs.