Well, 50 clients falls under the Small Business Server option, which is a lot less expensive. I think those 10 servers of yours would need 100 users to justify their base 6700 in licensing. Then you have cals for server, sql, and exchange. Your quote seems low. I see about 27 for server, 130 for sql, 67 for exchange, so ~ 226 per user x 100 users = 22,600. Add the original 6700 (which I believe is also low; exchange at least requires windows server to run so gotta buy server + exchange for each, and I presume sql works that way too), and you're pushing 30k, a far cry from just under 7k.
Then there are support costs. The Windows admins may need that a lot more than the linux admins, unless they are not in fact cheaper. The really good windows admins probably aren't especially cheaper then their linux counterparts.
I can make my iphone4 do this at will. It's especially annoying since my primary use is for web and email use, and being right-handed, I hold it with my left in just the fashion that causes this problem.
I haven't been able to test the other iphone4's in the office yet, so I can't definitively state that it effects them all, or if it's only mine. But my phone absolutely does this.
I think you don't give quite enough credit to btrfs; it isn't merely a johnny-come-lately, but rather another step forward in filesystem evolution. Try here for a good article on btrfs, by one of the zfs developers, Valerie Aurora. If you like, just skip to the section entitled "btrfs: A brief comparison with ZFS", one flamebait bit of which is this: "In my opinion, the basic architecture of btrfs is more suitable to storage than that of ZFS."
With that said, no one thinks it's ready for critical data storage yet.
I think the John Palmer's How to Brew Beer is the best place for a brewing newbie to start. Not only is it a great resource, but it's free online, or you can buy a dead tree version. Mosher's books are indeed very good, but not the best place to start, IMHO.
I'd so much rather be able to watch Netflix stuff via MythTV that it's not even funny. My iphone is for only worth using for 15 minutes or less at a time. After that, the small screen wears on me, and I realize that that may just be me. I guess an iPad would solve that problem, but really, I'd rather watch movies across the room on the tv, rather than on my lap, unable to move my arm, with my spouse looking over my shoulder.
Funny. I just joined a Win7 machine to a Samba domain. There is a hoop to jump through, but any business running Samba can manage setting a couple reg keys.
I do find it interesting that many private schools have an annual tuition that's less than the average amount we are paying per student for public schools and manage to turn out higher test scores and better educated/adjusted students.
This misses two points:
1 - Most private schools are partially subsidized by their religious sponsor, so tuition is lower than the actual cost of providing the education. This serves to spread the indoctrination provided to a wider group of people, a goal of all religions. I wonder what the actual cost to provide the education is, on a per student basis. The non-subsidized private schools that I know of are more than $8300 / year / student.
2 - Private schools can give the boot to students who are unable or unwilling to perform academically. They can also expel those who disrupt classrooms. They actually have authority and cannot be sued by parents, since those parents have agreed to a set of terms at enrollment. This then cuts off the bottom of the sample set, and comparisons with public schools that include not only their own bottom performers, but those formerly of private schools, will drag down the overall performance of public schools.
I think that this undermines any idea for a market solution; indeed the point of public education is that since society benefits from an educated populace, society should bear that cost, and that to be equitable, quality education should not be available only to those with money.
No doubt, public schools in the US are not delivering nearly as well as they should, but as an idea, other places have more successful implementations that lead me to believe the problem is in our system, not in the underlying idea.
Lastly, you assertion that private school graduates are better adjusted is questionable. Reinforcing narrow minded beliefs about everything from gender equality, sexual orientation, and racial divisions, and then using guilt as a primary lever of control, does not produce well adjusted individuals. Not all private schools are like that, and certainly not all private school graduates are like that, but to blithely assert that such people are better adjusted is just too much.
I agree with your comments and want to add the following Win7 debilitation:
I stopped using the Windows 7 beta, even though for the most part it is less offensive than Vista, due to it's inability to join a samba nt4 style domain. See here for MS confirming this as an issue with utmost importance: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2009-January/062827.html
If this gets fixed, I would be happy to move away from the steaming pile of Vista, to the merely warm pile of 7, but given MS' track record with compatibility, I'm not holding my breath.
People don't seem to have any problem plugging their MP3 players into a USB port every once in a while to synchronize new content; so who decided that it customers would not tolerate doing the same thing with an e-Book reader?
The largest consumer of music is young people, who more easily adapt to new technology. OTOH, I think the marketing jerkoffs behind the kindle don't themselves read. Instead they stereotyped book readers as though they are luddites, and figured that to reach them, they needed a device that didn't require a computer. However, the ipod's spillover to other demographics has demonstrated that overall, you are right.
Don't get me wrong. There are some nice things about the kindle, and if it were $150-200, I might give it a try, but as-is, there's no way I need another fragile, expensive thing to haul around. I think they should either offer an EVDO-free model for a lot cheaper, or realize that they're selling a computer with wireless, wide area coverage internet access, and offer a data plan for it. I'd love to be able to read websites wherever I am, on an e-ink display, and monochrome would be ok if the price were right.
Jobs absolutely insisted that the original Macintosh have no ability to talk to other computers, Mac or otherwise, stating something along the lines of "why would anyone want an umbilical cord to the mothership?" (Badly paraphrased, I'm sure, sorry)
His point was that the personal computer's power was in freeing you from the constraints anyone else might have over you (your IT department, for instance). The story goes that the Apple engineers eventually sold Jobs on Appletalk for printer sharing, but built in the capability for Macs to talk to one another, too.
Jobs went from championing the freedom that personal computing devices gave people, to being every bit as controlling as any IT department / big bad corporation he might have railed against way back when.
When Windows XP was released, I distinctly remember the same 'theres nothing compelling to upgrade to XP for' pieces doing the rounds on Slashdot and other tech op-ed sites - people were predicting Microsofts failure, that XP wouldnt sell at all because it demanded huge hardware requirements, that XP had a Fisher Price interface that would scare buyers away and it would only really sell through forced OEM installations.
Yes, you heard that. It's what people who had Windows 2000 said, and a heck of a lot of them stayed with Win2k. There really wasn't any compelling reason to move to XP.
But there were a LOT of people running Windows 98/ME. For them, Windows XP was a huge, meaningful upgrade. They all went with WinXP, either as an upgrade, or as part of a new hardware purchase.
With Windows Vista, there doesn't seem to be any substantial group for whom a compelling reason to upgrade exists.
None the less, maybe you're right; in five years we'll all be running Vista SE, Service Pack 3, Trademark, All rights reserved. It'll be the only platform to access Windows Live, so it's gotta sell!
That's just silly---no member of Congress is a wholly-owned subsidiary of any one company. Ownership of any member of Congress is a much more complex beast involving many different investors.
So congress critters are a timeshare arrangement?!
I wonder if they're going to have Nazis in this movie, now that Harrison Ford has been aging for decades.
Either the Nazis will come out of a time warp in the 1960s, or maybe they'll continue to set the movie pre-WWII and explain that Indiana aged 25 years instantly when he decided to open that box and peek inside the Ark, just for a second, with sunglasses on.
I've been wondering why the administration never references the previous declaration of war. Since Saddam never signed signed the formal surrender, one could make a plausible argument that it is still in effect. Certainly it was the justification for continued enforcement of no fly zones in Iraq, and for bombing radar installations any time they lit up a US plane.
Not that this makes any of the false pretenses used to "justify" the invasion any more palatable. They don't.
If memory servers, the US Congress has declared war twice since WWII: the Korean War, and the Gulf War. The latter never formally ended (Saddam Hussein never signed the surrender documents), so the US has been at war with Iraq since 1991. That's been the justifification for maintaining no-fly zones, and the bombing of radar installations when they light up US planes for the last dozen years. It's also been the justification for the imposition of UN Weapons Inspectors, something that cannot be imposed on Iran, since no one has gone in and forced it on them. And so far they aren't volunteering.
I agree with you on the farcical nature of the "wars" on drugs and terror, waged by the same people, no less. Think there's a link???
I'll just tag onto this since I just acquired a Lenovo/IBM laptop. I got an X60 which is 3.5 lb.s with the bigger battery that offers 6-10 hours of life (which I acn vouch for). It's a great laptop; light, powerful, mostly well made. Even the vendor software is good. This is a good Ars Techica review. Lenovo has owned the Thinkpad line for just over a year now, but the purchases are made via an ibm.com web site, and the case on mine says IBM. So far, mine looks like a quality piece of kit.
As far as linux goes, since the hardware is a little bleeding edge, thus far I've chosen to run linux in a virtual machine using VMWare Player, for which you can download an Ubuntu image. No sweat, runs great. The X60 has an Core Duo which sports Intel's VT virtualization stuff. I don't know if the current VMWare Player takes advantage of that or not, but so far performance has been very good. Of course, add some memory if you go this route.
There are numerous pre-made images that one can download, including Debian, Gentoo, and a bunch of others. If you want to make your own, you need to buy once of VMWare's other products. Fair enough. And keep your eyes on Xen, too.
Just a little editing on that list, either removing or changing but a single word per item:
1. OpenServer 6 Costs 2. SCO Has an Inferior Kernel 3. OpenServer Has Better Perjury 4. SCO Has a Customer Roadmap 5. OpenServer 6 is Backward 6. SCO Allows You to Focus on Your Navel 7. SCO Owns Products 8. SCO is Linux'ifying its Code Base 9. SCO UNIX: Formerly Legendary Reliability 10. SCO Has a Legal Support Team
Yes, but can you get that sparrow to haul you and your luggage to Paris? And if so, how does that affect that energy efficiency and object avoidance/maneuverability? What if it has a heart attack during the flight?
Nature is pretty awesome, but what people have developed isn't insignificant either.
My take is a bit different: I'd like to see Apple offer a Knoppix-like bootable DVD w/ OS X and iLife. It would let folks try Apple's stuff out on hardware they already have. I realize driver issues would cause Apple some grief, but I think it'd be worth it to create the ultimate wedge to get people to switch.
Parent was claiming that no others Windows solutions existed. That was flase. No claims to quality were made. That said, both Notes and Groupwise attempt to do more than Outlook. And when was the last time you looked at either? AFAICT they both support imap, pop3, and smtp for mail operations. All other operations are totally proprietary, but then MS is no different. Actually, MS is worse since their imap support sucks rocks. Finally, I don't think that the Groupwise client is so bad. Can't really speak for Notes, though.
Name me one Windows based groupware app that you could replace Outlook with. Evolution doesn't count since it doesn't run on Windows, and is a BLATANT copy of Outlook.
Exchange wasn't the first. Lotus Notes was. Exchange has caught up to Notes in market share, but hasn't been able to surpass it. Then there's Novell Groupwise as a distant third. And the other that I know of is Oracle's Collaboration Suite, formerly Steltor's Corporate Time.
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A perfect time for one of those continually decending UID replies, each proclaiming, "This time I'm *REALLY* going to quit!"
Well, 50 clients falls under the Small Business Server option, which is a lot less expensive. I think those 10 servers of yours would need 100 users to justify their base 6700 in licensing. Then you have cals for server, sql, and exchange. Your quote seems low. I see about 27 for server, 130 for sql, 67 for exchange, so ~ 226 per user x 100 users = 22,600. Add the original 6700 (which I believe is also low; exchange at least requires windows server to run so gotta buy server + exchange for each, and I presume sql works that way too), and you're pushing 30k, a far cry from just under 7k.
Then there are support costs. The Windows admins may need that a lot more than the linux admins, unless they are not in fact cheaper. The really good windows admins probably aren't especially cheaper then their linux counterparts.
Way to blow over the big cost: CALs for each of those servers. You'll be at least an order of magnitude greater than that 6500 for sure.
I can make my iphone4 do this at will. It's especially annoying since my primary use is for web and email use, and being right-handed, I hold it with my left in just the fashion that causes this problem.
I haven't been able to test the other iphone4's in the office yet, so I can't definitively state that it effects them all, or if it's only mine. But my phone absolutely does this.
I think you don't give quite enough credit to btrfs; it isn't merely a johnny-come-lately, but rather another step forward in filesystem evolution. Try here for a good article on btrfs, by one of the zfs developers, Valerie Aurora. If you like, just skip to the section entitled "btrfs: A brief comparison with ZFS", one flamebait bit of which is this: "In my opinion, the basic architecture of btrfs is more suitable to storage than that of ZFS."
With that said, no one thinks it's ready for critical data storage yet.
I think the John Palmer's How to Brew Beer is the best place for a brewing newbie to start. Not only is it a great resource, but it's free online, or you can buy a dead tree version. Mosher's books are indeed very good, but not the best place to start, IMHO.
See http://www.howtobrew.com/intro.html
I'd so much rather be able to watch Netflix stuff via MythTV that it's not even funny. My iphone is for only worth using for 15 minutes or less at a time. After that, the small screen wears on me, and I realize that that may just be me. I guess an iPad would solve that problem, but really, I'd rather watch movies across the room on the tv, rather than on my lap, unable to move my arm, with my spouse looking over my shoulder.
Hey Netflix! Let us watch stuff on linux!
Funny. I just joined a Win7 machine to a Samba domain. There is a hoop to jump through, but any business running Samba can manage setting a couple reg keys.
Seems to work, so far.
I do find it interesting that many private schools have an annual tuition that's less than the average amount we are paying per student for public schools and manage to turn out higher test scores and better educated/adjusted students.
This misses two points:
1 - Most private schools are partially subsidized by their religious sponsor, so tuition is lower than the actual cost of providing the education. This serves to spread the indoctrination provided to a wider group of people, a goal of all religions. I wonder what the actual cost to provide the education is, on a per student basis. The non-subsidized private schools that I know of are more than $8300 / year / student.
2 - Private schools can give the boot to students who are unable or unwilling to perform academically. They can also expel those who disrupt classrooms. They actually have authority and cannot be sued by parents, since those parents have agreed to a set of terms at enrollment. This then cuts off the bottom of the sample set, and comparisons with public schools that include not only their own bottom performers, but those formerly of private schools, will drag down the overall performance of public schools.
I think that this undermines any idea for a market solution; indeed the point of public education is that since society benefits from an educated populace, society should bear that cost, and that to be equitable, quality education should not be available only to those with money.
No doubt, public schools in the US are not delivering nearly as well as they should, but as an idea, other places have more successful implementations that lead me to believe the problem is in our system, not in the underlying idea.
Lastly, you assertion that private school graduates are better adjusted is questionable. Reinforcing narrow minded beliefs about everything from gender equality, sexual orientation, and racial divisions, and then using guilt as a primary lever of control, does not produce well adjusted individuals. Not all private schools are like that, and certainly not all private school graduates are like that, but to blithely assert that such people are better adjusted is just too much.
I agree with your comments and want to add the following Win7 debilitation:
I stopped using the Windows 7 beta, even though for the most part it is less offensive than Vista, due to it's inability to join a samba nt4 style domain. See here for MS confirming this as an issue with utmost importance: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2009-January/062827.html
If this gets fixed, I would be happy to move away from the steaming pile of Vista, to the merely warm pile of 7, but given MS' track record with compatibility, I'm not holding my breath.
"If the expression 'It's so good that it sells itself' is true, are you then living proof that Vista is a steaming turd?"
People don't seem to have any problem plugging their MP3 players into a USB port every once in a while to synchronize new content; so who decided that it customers would not tolerate doing the same thing with an e-Book reader?
The largest consumer of music is young people, who more easily adapt to new technology. OTOH, I think the marketing jerkoffs behind the kindle don't themselves read. Instead they stereotyped book readers as though they are luddites, and figured that to reach them, they needed a device that didn't require a computer. However, the ipod's spillover to other demographics has demonstrated that overall, you are right.
Don't get me wrong. There are some nice things about the kindle, and if it were $150-200, I might give it a try, but as-is, there's no way I need another fragile, expensive thing to haul around. I think they should either offer an EVDO-free model for a lot cheaper, or realize that they're selling a computer with wireless, wide area coverage internet access, and offer a data plan for it. I'd love to be able to read websites wherever I am, on an e-ink display, and monochrome would be ok if the price were right.
It's even more ironic than that:
Jobs absolutely insisted that the original Macintosh have no ability to talk to other computers, Mac or otherwise, stating something along the lines of "why would anyone want an umbilical cord to the mothership?" (Badly paraphrased, I'm sure, sorry)
His point was that the personal computer's power was in freeing you from the constraints anyone else might have over you (your IT department, for instance). The story goes that the Apple engineers eventually sold Jobs on Appletalk for printer sharing, but built in the capability for Macs to talk to one another, too.
Jobs went from championing the freedom that personal computing devices gave people, to being every bit as controlling as any IT department / big bad corporation he might have railed against way back when.
THAT'S the irony!
When Windows XP was released, I distinctly remember the same 'theres nothing compelling to upgrade to XP for' pieces doing the rounds on Slashdot and other tech op-ed sites - people were predicting Microsofts failure, that XP wouldnt sell at all because it demanded huge hardware requirements, that XP had a Fisher Price interface that would scare buyers away and it would only really sell through forced OEM installations.
Yes, you heard that. It's what people who had Windows 2000 said, and a heck of a lot of them stayed with Win2k. There really wasn't any compelling reason to move to XP.
But there were a LOT of people running Windows 98/ME. For them, Windows XP was a huge, meaningful upgrade. They all went with WinXP, either as an upgrade, or as part of a new hardware purchase.
With Windows Vista, there doesn't seem to be any substantial group for whom a compelling reason to upgrade exists.
None the less, maybe you're right; in five years we'll all be running Vista SE, Service Pack 3, Trademark, All rights reserved. It'll be the only platform to access Windows Live, so it's gotta sell!
That's just silly---no member of Congress is a wholly-owned subsidiary of any one company. Ownership of any member of Congress is a much more complex beast involving many different investors.
So congress critters are a timeshare arrangement?!
I wonder if they're going to have Nazis in this movie, now that Harrison Ford has been aging for decades.
Either the Nazis will come out of a time warp in the 1960s, or maybe they'll continue to set the movie pre-WWII and explain that Indiana aged 25 years instantly when he decided to open that box and peek inside the Ark, just for a second, with sunglasses on.
Mix 'n match movies:
Use the nazis from the Blues Brothers!
I've been wondering why the administration never references the previous declaration of war. Since Saddam never signed signed the formal surrender, one could make a plausible argument that it is still in effect. Certainly it was the justification for continued enforcement of no fly zones in Iraq, and for bombing radar installations any time they lit up a US plane.
Not that this makes any of the false pretenses used to "justify" the invasion any more palatable. They don't.
The link you provide is to a download page for a Xen demo cd. The link you meant to provide is here:
s .pdf
http://www.xensource.com/files/xen_install_window
If memory servers, the US Congress has declared war twice since WWII: the Korean War, and the Gulf War. The latter never formally ended (Saddam Hussein never signed the surrender documents), so the US has been at war with Iraq since 1991. That's been the justifification for maintaining no-fly zones, and the bombing of radar installations when they light up US planes for the last dozen years. It's also been the justification for the imposition of UN Weapons Inspectors, something that cannot be imposed on Iran, since no one has gone in and forced it on them. And so far they aren't volunteering.
I agree with you on the farcical nature of the "wars" on drugs and terror, waged by the same people, no less. Think there's a link???
I'll just tag onto this since I just acquired a Lenovo/IBM laptop. I got an X60 which is 3.5 lb.s with the bigger battery that offers 6-10 hours of life (which I acn vouch for). It's a great laptop; light, powerful, mostly well made. Even the vendor software is good. This is a good Ars Techica review. Lenovo has owned the Thinkpad line for just over a year now, but the purchases are made via an ibm.com web site, and the case on mine says IBM. So far, mine looks like a quality piece of kit.
As far as linux goes, since the hardware is a little bleeding edge, thus far I've chosen to run linux in a virtual machine using VMWare Player, for which you can download an Ubuntu image. No sweat, runs great. The X60 has an Core Duo which sports Intel's VT virtualization stuff. I don't know if the current VMWare Player takes advantage of that or not, but so far performance has been very good. Of course, add some memory if you go this route.
There are numerous pre-made images that one can download, including Debian, Gentoo, and a bunch of others. If you want to make your own, you need to buy once of VMWare's other products. Fair enough. And keep your eyes on Xen, too.
Just a little editing on that list, either removing or changing but a single word per item:
1. OpenServer 6 Costs
2. SCO Has an Inferior Kernel
3. OpenServer Has Better Perjury
4. SCO Has a Customer Roadmap
5. OpenServer 6 is Backward
6. SCO Allows You to Focus on Your Navel
7. SCO Owns Products
8. SCO is Linux'ifying its Code Base
9. SCO UNIX: Formerly Legendary Reliability
10. SCO Has a Legal Support Team
Yes, but can you get that sparrow to haul you and your luggage to Paris? And if so, how does that affect that energy efficiency and object avoidance/maneuverability? What if it has a heart attack during the flight?
Nature is pretty awesome, but what people have developed isn't insignificant either.
My take is a bit different: I'd like to see Apple offer a Knoppix-like bootable DVD w/ OS X and iLife. It would let folks try Apple's stuff out on hardware they already have. I realize driver issues would cause Apple some grief, but I think it'd be worth it to create the ultimate wedge to get people to switch.
Parent was claiming that no others Windows solutions existed. That was flase. No claims to quality were made. That said, both Notes and Groupwise attempt to do more than Outlook. And when was the last time you looked at either? AFAICT they both support imap, pop3, and smtp for mail operations. All other operations are totally proprietary, but then MS is no different. Actually, MS is worse since their imap support sucks rocks. Finally, I don't think that the Groupwise client is so bad. Can't really speak for Notes, though.
Name me one Windows based groupware app that you could replace Outlook with. Evolution doesn't count since it doesn't run on Windows, and is a BLATANT copy of Outlook.
Exchange wasn't the first. Lotus Notes was. Exchange has caught up to Notes in market share, but hasn't been able to surpass it. Then there's Novell Groupwise as a distant third. And the other that I know of is Oracle's Collaboration Suite, formerly Steltor's Corporate Time.